TMOS Set & Official Photo Thread - Discussion Welcome - Part 7

[JAK®]

Now, i like both movies myself (Cap more than Thor), but if Thor and Cap had any flaws, I don't really think it had anything to do with them leading into the Avengers.

The plotting for both movies was pretty damn close to their original comic source material, and neither really had any plot points that played into The Avengers until the very end, and even there it made sense. I mean, for instance, Cap is SUPPOSED to wake up in the present and join the Avengers. That's how it's always been and should be.

The flaws I'd say both movies do have is an overall simplicity in their scripts and an inability to really do anything daring or noteworthy in their scripts. Neither featured anything new or inventive like TDK or X-Men: First Class did. But again, even if they didn't tie into an Avengers movie, those flaws still would've been there.

Same goes for Iron Man 2, people called it an Avengers commercial because Black Widow and SHIELD were in it, even though SHIELD has always been a major presence in Iron Man's life in the comics and Black Widow made her debut in an Iron Man comic.

It's just a stock opinion people use to voice their displeasure. I think all the Marvel movies were pretty good (except for TIH which was mediocre) but I can see the flaws in them, which are more nuanced than "LOL Avengers"

 

[Rockstar]

Cap and Thor were definitely successes. They made their characters known to general audiences. They got good reviews on RT by audiences and critics.


As far as the box office goes, it's almost like Batman Begins. It made above it's budget in returns but underperformed. It still set up TDK to be a massive hit. Same for Cap and Thor.... but they built up buzz and set up Avengers to be a massive hit.

Same goes for Iron Man 2, people called it an Avengers commercial because Black Widow and SHIELD were in it, even though SHIELD has always been a major presence in Iron Man's life in the comics and Black Widow made her debut in an Iron Man comic.

Honestly, it makes more sense to introduce the Avengers elements gradually into the solo films, as Marvel has done, than to have kept the characters in their own universes and suddenly throw them all together in Avengers without build-up.

That would have been a mess, especially with such divergent characters.

 

[BigThor]

Same goes for Iron Man 2, people called it an Avengers commercial because Black Widow and SHIELD were in it, even though SHIELD has always been a major presence in Iron Man's life in the comics and Black Widow made her debut in an Iron Man comic.

It's just a stock opinion people use to voice their displeasure. I think all the Marvel movies were pretty good (except for TIH which was mediocre) but I can see the flaws in them, which are more nuanced than "LOL Avengers"

Cap and Thor were definitely successes. They made their characters known to general audiences. They got good reviews on RT by audiences and critics.


As far as the box office goes, it's almost like Batman Begins. It made above it's budget in returns but underperformed. It still set up TDK to be a massive hit. Same for Cap and Thor.... but they built up buzz and set up Avengers to be a massive hit.

Honestly, it makes more sense to introduce the Avengers elements gradually into the solo films, as Marvel has done, than to have kept the characters in their own universes and suddenly throw them all together in Avengers without build-up.

That would have been a mess, especially with such divergent characters.

Exactly, that's why I just shake my head whenever someone brings up "Avengers commercial" as a major flaw in MCU films.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Looking around eagerly for what must be a whole load of new MOS photos with all the action on this thread...

Sadly, none

 

[BigThor]

Looking around eagerly for what must be a whole load of new MOS photos with all the action on this thread...

Sadly, none

I know how you feel

 

[Dangerman]

Unfortunately Superman Returns wasn't designed to complement Batman Begins.

Imagine if MoS came out in 2006 right after Batman Begins. Everyone in the general audience would assume the movies are commonly linked.

Actually it's the other way around. Nolan has stated many times he didn't want other heroes to be around in his movies or his Batman world. He wanted it to seem that Batman was the only one which is why he made it so "realistic" and that there was no possible way a Superman, GL, Flash,etc could be there. That is one of the major reasons why WB wanted to reboot the series.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Actually it's the other way around. Nolan has stated many times he didn't want other heroes to be around in his movies or his Batman world. He wanted it to seem that Batman was the only one which is why he made it so "realistic" and that there was no possible way a Superman, GL, Flash,etc could be there. That is one of the major reasons why WB wanted to reboot the series.

Are you sure that's why they wanted to reboot the series? I hope the new series takes a less realistic approach to it

 

[Rockstar]

Actually it's the other way around. Nolan has stated many times he didn't want other heroes to be around in his movies or his Batman world. He wanted it to seem that Batman was the only one which is why he made it so "realistic" and that there was no possible way a Superman, GL, Flash,etc could be there. That is one of the major reasons why WB wanted to reboot the series.

That makes zero sense since WB has Nolan producing the reboot.

 

[JAK®]

A producer and a director are two different things, Nolan isn't going to impose his creative views on a director. He'd be a massive hypocrite if he did.

 

[shauner111]

It'll be the same as with Man Of Steel. Nolan will produce, and be a creative consultant for the director if he or she chooses to consult with him. Snyder has gone to Nolan many times with his ideas to see what he thinks of them. If they get let's say..Darren Aronofsky to direct the Batman reboot, he's the type that will probably want to do everything himself. Nolan will just be a "producer" and not involved with anything creatively. At best he'll pitch an idea to WB to kickstart the reboot and hand it over to the directors/writers.

They're rebooting because the story is ending with TDKR and there's no way to do a sequel. They have no choice. But at the same time, just because Nolan wanted HIS trilogy to exist without other superheroes..doesnt mean for the reboot, he wont be open to them taking the character and mixing him with other Justice League members.

It'll be up to them to find another Superman though. One that's not Henry Cavill.

 

[RetrogradeOrbit]

To be honest, I would not want to see a Batman/Superman team-up film without the same actors from the solo movies playing the roles.

Whomever that might be by the time one is made that is.

If it was done. It would, for me, shatter the consistency of the characters. As a different actor would bring different nuances to the role, never mind the physical differences...

 

[hopefuldreamer]

A girl I went to see Avengers with had no idea it about the previous films.

I was talking to her about it today and she was genuinely surprised when I said they'd first bought out Iron Man, Thor and Captain America movies seperately with the same actors, and she's now quite excited to see them.

I thought that was kind of a good indication that you don't HAVE to have a build up like that for even a clueless member of the GA to enjoy a good superhero team up movie.

So JL could easily begin as an entirely seperate franchise without having to tie in to singular origin movies.

 

[CConn]

A girl I went to see Avengers with had no idea it about the previous films.

I was talking to her about it today and she was genuinely surprised when I said they'd first bought out Iron Man, Thor and Captain America movies seperately with the same actors, and she's now quite excited to see them.

I thought that was kind of a good indication that you don't HAVE to have a build up like that for even a clueless member of the GA to enjoy a good superhero team up movie.

So JL could easily begin as an entirely seperate franchise without having to tie in to singular origin movies.

I've always believed that, myself.

They do it all the time in comics. Alex Ross' Justice series had no ties to anything else, The Dark Knight Returns was very much it's own, standalone story, etc. You really don't need an existing continuity for a story to be good or assessible to a new audience; you just need a good story period.

 

[Dangerman]

It'll be the same as with Man Of Steel. Nolan will produce, and be a creative consultant for the director if he or she chooses to consult with him. Snyder has gone to Nolan many times with his ideas to see what he thinks of them. If they get let's say..Darren Aronofsky to direct the Batman reboot, he's the type that will probably want to do everything himself. Nolan will just be a "producer" and not involved with anything creatively. At best he'll pitch an idea to WB to kickstart the reboot and hand it over to the directors/writers.

They're rebooting because the story is ending with TDKR and there's no way to do a sequel. They have no choice. But at the same time, just because Nolan wanted HIS trilogy to exist without other superheroes..doesnt mean for the reboot, he wont be open to them taking the character and mixing him with other Justice League members.

It'll be up to them to find another Superman though. One that's not Henry Cavill.

Until you see the ending to TDKR you can always do a sequel unless they kill Batman off. The main reason behind the reboot ever since JL:M was to put Batman in a world that would fit in with all the other heroes. Nolan made it very clear that he didn't want his Batman to be in a world with other heroes. DC on the other hand wanted to start doing that. Superman Returns made a small attempt in linking them. GL was suppose to link itself to Superman before that scene got cut.

 

[shauner111]

Until you see the ending to TDKR you can always do a sequel unless they kill Batman off. The main reason behind the reboot ever since JL:M was to put Batman in a world that would fit in with all the other heroes. Nolan made it very clear that he didn't want his Batman to be in a world with other heroes. DC on the other hand wanted to start doing that. Superman Returns made a small attempt in linking them. GL was suppose to link itself to Superman before that scene got cut.

No, whether Bruce Wayne dies or not the story is ending. He will no longer be Batman by the end of the film. By death or retirement (with the entire city knowing his identity), it's done. He's older and past his prime in this, it's Batmans last go. It's being rebooted for a reason.

But Justice League is still gonna happen. Probably in about 10 years with the younger Batman theyll already have in the reboot, a different Superman. Im pretty sure theyll play it smart and wait til the new Batman has won over audiences with 1 or 2 films, and wait til Snyders Man of Steel trilogy is done (end of the decade).

They'll throw in a new Green Lantern unless they actually go through with a second "darker" film within the next few years. Different actor and it does well. Then they can use that as a springboard. Flash/Aquaman/Wonder Woman solo films? Don't think it really matters if they launch them before or after a JLA movie

 

[Rockstar]

A producer and a director are two different things, Nolan isn't going to impose his creative views on a director. He'd be a massive hypocrite if he did.

Yeah?


Let's see how Man of Steel turns out first.


So far, it's shaping up to be a very Nolan-esque film.

 

[CConn]

Really? It seems pretty Synderish to me.

But as for the main point, a producer can have some creative imput without being a pseudo-director or micromanaging. It wouldn't be at all offensive for Nolan - as a producer - to continue to stress the importance of realism or whatnot in Batman films.

 

[shauner111]

To me it all seems much more Batman Begins than say..Watchmen. It's almost as if Zack Snyder is like a second-unit director in all of this because Nolan couldn't physically be there to do the job himself, on set.

Maybe wouldnt go THAT far because obviously he's included new ideas. But Zacks always talking about how he (paraphrasing) "came up with a great idea and called Nolan to see what he thinks".

I agree that it seems more Nolan-esque than Snyder-esque.

 

[Lily Adler]

I get more of Watchmen vibe from the look of the official photo.

 

[Dr.]

Snyder is in full control of the racecar; but Nolan (and Goyer) designed the track. And I think that’s the way WB wanted it. They’ve placed their trust in the guys who delivered BB and TDK.

 

[shauner111]

Snyder is in full control of the racecar; but Nolan (and Goyer) designed the track. And I think that’s the way WB wanted it. They’ve placed their trust in the guys who delivered BB and TDK.

Very good way of putting it

 

[Rockstar]

Snyder is in full control of the racecar; but Nolan (and Goyer) designed the track. And I think that’s the way WB wanted it. They’ve placed their trust in the guys who delivered BB and TDK.

Exactly.


That's how the Batman Reboot will be as well. Batman is too valuable to Warners to let someone else 'design the track.'


AND we pretty much know how Nolan's design works.

 

[JAK®]

Yeah?


Let's see how Man of Steel turns out first.


So far, it's shaping up to be a very Nolan-esque film.

I'm willing to bet that Nolan hasn't even set foot on a single set for MOS.

 

[shauner111]

I'm willing to bet that Nolan hasn't even set foot on a single set for MOS.

and that means nothing really

 

[CConn]

and that means nothing really

If he really hasn't, then yes it does.