TMOS Set & Official Photo Thread - Discussion Welcome - Part 9

[Lencho01]

It's all for fun though. :P I'm not pretending to be right. The only way to know for sure is to ask the designer.

No problem.

I will say I'm happy they didn't go with something that looked like a Z.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

so much *****ing over the Zod symbol. It is what it is. To me it looks like it could be their form of a Kryptonian Z...what sense would it make for it to be an obvious Omega? None at all

 

[Mad Love]

There's no sense in making it an omega at all. The design came from somewhere though and there was thought put into it.

In fact, there was thought put into all of Krypton.

concerning the mythology of Superman’s iconic S in Zack Snyder’s Man of Steel by costume designer Michael Wilkinson.

Wilkinson explained that since they created a “neo-medieval” back story for Krypton (which included the creation of a new language), it made sense to utilize the suit design as part of the mythology. “Everyone on Krypton wears this suit,” he suggested. Using ZBrush and rapid prototyping, Wilkinson came up the blue/gray color and chainmail look. “It has function and purpose and a logic to this fantastical world,” he added.

That's why basing Zod's symbol on a Medieval Z makes sense to me way more than a Greek omega or the Communist symbol.

 

[LeXcalibur]

zod symbol looks russian'esque

 

[regwec]

Nope. Unlike you, I didn't decide what it looked like from the start. That's why you're reasoning backwards. I'm making a deduction, which is thinking backwards. That's not the same as already having a conclusion and trying to justify that conclusion: reasoning backwards.

By nerd application, do you mean thought?

1) How do you know I 'decided what it looked like from the start'? I said what it looked like to begin with, but I make a rule to think before I post.

2) I am interested by your distinction between 'thinking' and 'reasoning'. I'm not sure it corresponds to accepted usage. I also don't see what you are deducing. What have you deducted? Your thinking seems to be based on typological reasoning rather than deduction. Mine is based on deductive reasoning rather than typology.

3) By nerd application, I mean the undertaking of a type of esoteric analysis that was unlikely to have been considered in the production of the entity being analysed. You can call it 'over-thought' if you prefer, though it certainly wasn't meant to be pejorative anyway. We're all nerds here.

 

[regwec]

It is what it is.

That's probably the most salient opinion so far.

To me it looks like it could be their form of a Kryptonian Z...what sense would it make for it to be an obvious Omega? None at all

No, and that's why it is twisted and bent. I think it is a modified omega, but that still makes it an omega.

We can now, of course, start quoting Wittgenstein at each other.

 

[Mad Love]

1) How do you know I 'decided what it looked like from the start'? I said what it looked like to begin with, but I make a rule to think before I post.

2) I am interested by your distinction between 'thinking' and 'reasoning'. I'm not sure it corresponds to accepted usage. I also don't see what you are deducing. What have you deducted? Your thinking seems to be based on typological reasoning rather than deduction. Mine is based on deductive reasoning rather than typology.

3) By nerd application, I mean the undertaking of a type of esoteric analysis that was unlikely to have been considered in the production of the entity being analysed. You can call it 'over-thought' if you prefer, though it certainly wasn't meant to be pejorative anyway. We're all nerds here.

Sounds like more backwards reasoning and weak accusations. What amount of deductive reasoning did you really need to say it's an omega? Looking at it?

I already posted what the designer actually said about Krypton's design. Clearly there was "nerd application" or whatever you want to call it. Facts are on my side. I think my case is convincing enough. At least, way more convincing than just saying "oh it looks like an omega. that must be it!" I already pointed out how that flawed logic can conclude it's a horse shoe.

People can make up their minds however they want. At the end of the day, we're suppose to imagine it's a Kryptonian symbol just like Superman's shield. Yet another reason why an obvious omega makes no sense. The Medieval Z has been truncated to no longer completely resemble itself, and yet it's still related to Z for Zod, and matches the end product. All of Krypton also has a Medieval design. What a coincidence! Hmm, maybe that's how the design came to be. Medieval-inspired Krypton. Medieval-inspired Krypton symbol for Zod.

 

[regwec]

Sounds like more backwards reasoning and weak accusations. What amount of deductive reasoning did you really need to say it's an omega? Looking at it?

No, we try to think about the designers possible thought process. The fact that the symbol is an omega (or omega-like, if you insist) in form is obviously evidential. If the design looked exactly like a cat, then I would infer a different thought process behind it.

What have I accused you of, exactly?

 

[JAK®]

From a designer's point of view, basing a symbol off the omega symbol is a weak concept. That's what you would do just to get started. Alpha and Omega is overplayed. Researching the main motif, which we know to be medieval times, and considering the symbol has to fit with the same logic as Superman's S, would lead a designer to consider taking a look at medieval script. That's how I would do it, anyway.

 

[Mad Love]

The fact that the symbol is an omega (or omega-like, if you insist) in form is obviously evidential. If the design looked exactly like a cat, then I would infer a different thought process behind it.

What have I accused you of, exactly?

How is it a fact that the symbol is an omega? An omega is specific: The letter O in the Greek Alphabet. It's not even an exact omega. That's just a similar shape. Same shape as a U or a horse shoe. Comparing it to a cat is ridiculous because a cat has a very specific shape unlike a basic U curve. It only looks like an omega however distorted. That doesn't mean it was designed from or designed to be an omega.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

From a designer's point of view, basing a symbol off the omega symbol is a weak concept. That's what you would do just to get started. Alpha and Omega is overplayed. Researching the main motif, which we know to be medieval times, and considering the symbol has to fit with the same logic as Superman's S, would lead a designer to consider taking a look at medieval script. That's how I would do it, anyway.

Agreed

 

[Nitrobot]

That's a bit overly complicated, but I think you do have a point. A more direct idea is that Zod's symbol is inspired from Medieval Alphabet.

It matches the Medieval/Renaissance inspired look they used for Kryptonian design. Makes a lot more sense than the Hammer and Sickle theory.

And as the Greek lower case letter ς (sigma) looks the famous Kryptonian emblem we known as a "S", so Zod's emblem who resembles a "Z" could be indeed a Ezh or an Dze:

Abkhazian Dze (Ӡ ӡ; italics: Ӡ &#1249 is a letter of the Cyrillic script. It is used in the Abkhazian language where it represents the voiced alveolar affricate /dz/, pronounced like ⟨ds⟩ in "pods".

This letter was also used in one 1937 proposal (not adopted) for the Karelian Cyrillic alphabet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Dze
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Ezh (Ʒ &#658, has its small letter used in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), representing the voiced postalveolar fricative consonant.

It is also called the "tailed z". Example: vision /ˈvɪʒən/. It is pronounced as the "s" in "treasure" or the "si" in the word "precision". (See also the Persian alphabet letter ژ.)

Ezh is used as a letter in some orthographies of Skolt Sami, both by itself, and with a caron (Ǯ &#495. These denote partially voiced alveolar and post-alveolar affricates, respectively, broadly represented /dz/.

It also appears in the orthography of some African languages, for example in the Aja language of Benin and the Daghbani language of Ghana, where the uppercase variant looks like a reflected sigma (Σ).

Origin

Further information: tailed z

As a phonetic symbol, ezh originates with Isaac Pitman's alphabet in 1847, as a z with an added hook.

The symbol is based on medieval cursive forms of Latin z, evolving into the blackletter z letter. In Unicode, however, the blackletter z ("tailed z", German geschwänztes Z) is considered a glyph variant of z, and not an ezh.

In contexts where "tailed z" is used in contrast to tail-less z, notably in standard transcription of Middle High German, Unicode ʒ is sometimes used, strictly speaking incorrectly. Unicode offers ȥ "z with hook" as a grapheme for Middle High German coronal fricative instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezh_(letter)

 

[Kal-El.9859]

And as the Greek lower case letter ς (sigma) looks the famous Kryptonian emblem we known as a "S", so Zod's emblem who resembles a "Z" could be indeed a Ezh or an Dze:

Abkhazian Dze (Ӡ ӡ; italics: Ӡ &#1249 is a letter of the Cyrillic script. It is used in the Abkhazian language where it represents the voiced alveolar affricate /dz/, pronounced like ⟨ds⟩ in "pods".

This letter was also used in one 1937 proposal (not adopted) for the Karelian Cyrillic alphabet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abkhazian_Dze
_________________________________________________________

Ezh (Ʒ &#658, has its small letter used in the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA), representing the voiced postalveolar fricative consonant.

It is also called the "tailed z". Example: vision /ˈvɪʒən/. It is pronounced as the "s" in "treasure" or the "si" in the word "precision". (See also the Persian alphabet letter ژ.)

Ezh is used as a letter in some orthographies of Skolt Sami, both by itself, and with a caron (Ǯ &#495. These denote partially voiced alveolar and post-alveolar affricates, respectively, broadly represented /dz/.

It also appears in the orthography of some African languages, for example in the Aja language of Benin and the Daghbani language of Ghana, where the uppercase variant looks like a reflected sigma (Σ).

Origin

Further information: tailed z

As a phonetic symbol, ezh originates with Isaac Pitman's alphabet in 1847, as a z with an added hook.

The symbol is based on medieval cursive forms of Latin z, evolving into the blackletter z letter. In Unicode, however, the blackletter z ("tailed z", German geschwänztes Z) is considered a glyph variant of z, and not an ezh.

In contexts where "tailed z" is used in contrast to tail-less z, notably in standard transcription of Middle High German, Unicode ʒ is sometimes used, strictly speaking incorrectly. Unicode offers ȥ "z with hook" as a grapheme for Middle High German coronal fricative instead.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezh_(letter)

this pretty much strengthens my belief that it is NOT an Omega....period

 

[The Shield]

Well Damn, lol.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

can we now please stop saying it's an Omega? I know people won't, but hey....a guy can hope and wish

 

[sup101]

Why are people saying it's Omega.That would be so unoriginal.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

Why are people saying it's Omega.That would be so unoriginal.

Probably because it looks like an Omega symbol?

 

[Boy Scout]

In the end...does anybody really care?

 

[Herolee10]

In the end...does anybody really care?

 

[sup101]

It will be explained in the movie.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Probably because it looks like an Omega symbol?

but it also resembles a cursive Z and and midevil lettering as well....

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

but it also resembles a cursive Z and and midevil lettering as well....

Who knows....he could also be an intergalactic Colts fan.

 

[Mad Love]

It looks like a U before it looks like an Omega. So an omega is just about the last thing it looks like.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

Who knows....he could also be an intergalactic Colts fan.

that's what my money is on....

 

[Mad Love]

It also explains why the ends of the curve are different. The top end has a smaller angle. Looks like a solid match.