To Believe or Not To Believe? (SHOW RESPECT, OR RISK A BAN) - Part 2

[Apollo]

Happy Resurrection Day to all the Hype christians!

Happy Easter to You!

Happy Easter to all my fellow Christians in the thread. To all those who are not, a happy Sunday to you regardless.

And Happy Easter to you as well! And Happy Sunday to the rest!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I recall reading a discussion about some Islamic and Gnostic Christian ideas like this where in one point of view Jesus really can't be crucified because he is Spirit. You can't crucify spirit. Therefore when his earthly body was crucified his true self (spirit) was not harmed in any way. So by saying he was killed would be inncorrect from that point of view since Jesus wasn't his earthly body. And that a likeness/an imposter got crucified instead. And that would be his earthly body and not his true spiritual self. Which I find to be an interesting way to look at it.

a christian man once told me that jesus is 100% human and 100% god. also, according to the trinity, there is the father, and son and holy spirit. so if jesus's true self is the spirit, is his part not son in the trinity?

 

[DarkSentinel]

I said that 100% God, 100% man.

 

[DarkSentinel]

a christian man once told me that jesus is 100% human and 100% god. also, according to the trinity, there is the father, and son and holy spirit. so if jesus's true self is the spirit, is his part not son in the trinity?

The Trinity is insanely complex to explain, but the way I've always seen it, God the Father is the head of the Trinity (or Consciousness), the Spirit is the part that can permeate the entire universe without losing its being and Jesus the Son is the incarnation of both of those in Mortal Flesh.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

The Trinity is insanely complex to explain, but the way I've always seen it, God the Father is the head of the Trinity (or Consciousness), the Spirit is the part that can permeate the entire universe without losing its being and Jesus the Son is the incarnation of both of those in Mortal Flesh.

word, man. in islam though there's no concept of a holy trinity. the closest thing to that would be tawhid broken down to tanzih/tashbih but even that is nowhere near the same thing. and i don't know if it's universally accepted either, I think it's just a sufi thing. there's also no concept of original sin.

 

[DarkSentinel]

True. My relationship with God through Christ though is just that, a relationship. It's based on faith and trust and love because that's the kinda dude God is it really stems from something my youth pastor told me: "Christianity is NOT a religion, it's a relationship."

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

True. My relationship with God through Christ though is just that, a relationship. It's based on faith and trust and love because that's the kinda dude God is it really stems from something my youth pastor told me: "Christianity is NOT a religion, it's a relationship."

word man. that's a very close/personal way to look at it.

no one should need to have a faith based system in their life to have moral codes, but me having it has helped me go against certain principles that I've had to deal with.

 

[DarkSentinel]

Exactly man. If people just immerse themselves IN the world (vanity, materialism, etc.) then they lose their morality, I've always thought. You were CREATED as the highest form of life on this planet, so freaking act like it.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Exactly man. If people just immerse themselves IN the world (vanity, materialism, etc.) then they lose their morality, I've always thought. You were CREATED as the highest form of life on this planet, so freaking act like it.

 

[DarkSentinel]

That don't mean I'm a pushover though all Jesus said was to TURN the other cheek.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

True. My relationship with God through Christ though is just that, a relationship. It's based on faith and trust and love because that's the kinda dude God is it really stems from something my youth pastor told me: "Christianity is NOT a religion, it's a relationship."

There is a part of my logic that questions, "How can you have a relationship with an entity that has never shown itself to you?"

If the term relationship refers to a connection where no actual verbal communication is exchanged, it contradicts just about every meaning of the word.

If you do believe in God, he would still be a metaphysical entity after all. I mean, unless you have his cell phone number

I suppose fideism applies here.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Why would God have created dinosaurs before the existence of man? Also, why would he have created them just to kill them off and make way for man? Seems a bit peculiar to me.

 

[Tempest]

To all the Christian hype members, have a glorious and blessed Easter.

For everyone else, have a lovely day.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

No way we could have coexisted as humans would have been easy meals. Look at the scale

 

[Apollo]

To all the Christian hype members, have a glorious and blessed Easter.

For everyone else, have a lovely day.

Happy Easter to you too!!

Also this thread isn't compete without cute bunnies and chicks.. even though Tempest likes to eat them

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

Bunnies are cute

 

[jerkhero]

No way we could have coexisted as humans would have been easy meals. Look at the scale

Nah, that would've been a nice meal. I wonder what t-rex steak tastes like..


That skeleton reminded me of a video where Dawkins was debating with a creationist. The creationist kept saying there is no concrete evidence for evolution. She completely disregarded all the fossils in the museums of national history etc. Earlier in this thread we were discussing what would be the evidence for atheists to start believing in god. Made me wonder what would be enough evidence of evolution for creationists then?

 

[Greens]

Damn BatmanVSuperman, those are some nice bunnies!

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Why would God have created dinosaurs before the existence of man? Also, why would he have created them just to kill them off and make way for man? Seems a bit peculiar to me.

don't forget god also created this planet for us to be on in this galaxy but there's galaxies beyond galaxies and planets within them. that picture also reminds me of this

No way we could have coexisted as humans would have been easy meals. Look at the scale

dem arms doe

Happy Easter to you too!!

Also this thread isn't compete without cute bunnies and chicks.. even though Tempest likes to eat them

bunnies are madd cute.

 

[Mightmitenot]

Does it help society to watch MSNBC commentary shows which also feature a lot of opinion...not journalism but caters to the left in this case (fox being towards the right of course)?

Also, doesn't the viewer bare some of the responsibility towards distinguishing entertainment (opinion shows) from journalism (straight news)??????

MSNBC seems closer to the neutral journalism standard than Faux. I've never seen Rachel Maddow label a scandalized Dem politician with a (R).

 

[Mightmitenot]

That skeleton reminded me of a video where Dawkins was debating with a creationist. The creationist kept saying there is no concrete evidence for evolution. She completely disregarded all the fossils in the museums of national history etc. Earlier in this thread we were discussing what would be the evidence for atheists to start believing in god. Made me wonder what would be enough evidence of evolution for creationists then?

Creationists seem to think 'arguing against evolution' = 'evidence for Creation'. It isn't. They need to actually push their case forward, and they don't.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

There is a part of my logic that questions, "How can you have a relationship with an entity that has never shown itself to you?"

If the term relationship refers to a connection where no actual verbal communication is exchanged, it contradicts just about every meaning of the word.

If you do believe in God, he would still be a metaphysical entity after all. I mean, unless you have his cell phone number

I suppose fideism applies here.

What you don't understand is that once someone genuinely opens their heart to Jesus he does speak to them. It's not a booming voice from the sky, but God/ Jesus speaks to us during the quiet moments of prayer, or he uses scriptures from the bible during the times of study or he will use other people pastors, friends, family etc. Unlike the other Gods, God/ a Jesus is not mute, and I can personally testifity to that. Of course, atheist won't understand because you don't believe, or acknowledge or open to him in any way you won't hear from him. God wants to be in relationship with everyone, but the thing is God's a gentlemen and only goes where he is welcome. Btw I don't mean to sound stand off ish or anything by this post.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

What you don't understand is that once someone genuinely opens their heart to Jesus he does speak to them. It's not a booming voice from the sky, but God/ Jesus speaks to us during the quiet moments of prayer, or he uses scriptures from the bible during the times of study or he will use other people pastors, friends, family etc. Unlike the other Gods, God/ a Jesus is not mute, and I can personally testifity to that. Of course, atheist won't understand because you don't believe, or acknowledge or open to him in any way you won't hear from him. God wants to be in relationship with everyone, but the thing is God's a gentlemen and only goes where he is welcome.

An atheist does not believe in God as fact to them. A theist believes in God as fact to them.

I'm not saying there was 100% no creator. I'm saying it is not to the human version of God that the bible purports.

I've seen no evidence of the supernatural, and find that much of what is in the bible could not be taken literally. Ancient writings before understandings of science unfortunately display a lot of ignorance about the natural world.

Believing the bible considering what we know today is more in the blind belief area for me.

 

[jerkhero]

So God speaks through everyday actions and discussions? Do you kinda have to interpret the messages or do you know when it's happening? No disrespect, just genuinely interested.

 

[BatmanVSuperman]

I hit edit but didn't post response right away. No worries, it's not standoffish... these conversations are important. I feel the agnostic/atheist/religious viewpoints are good for discussion as nobody can claim to have 100% understanding.