To Believe or Not To Believe? (SHOW RESPECT, OR RISK A BAN)

[XtremelyBaneful]

Shariah comes from Allah, the answer "depends on school of thought" is not sufficient.
If something will harm a body, it is haram, and you probably will find citing declaring it being forbidden.
If something is harmful due allergy, you will not find citing aimed toward them, but you will see what denies throwing oneself in harms way, therefore denying the person approaching what he or she might be allergic to.

Daily caffeine consumption is harmful too. but no one ever really says anything about it. it's comparable to marijuana although because that is an intoxicant it is deemed haram no matter what. however, as drugs themselves, their levels of harm to the body are relatively comparable.

That's what is called pleasure mating, it undervalues the point of marriage, and ignores lots of values from the marriage, so it is not allowed.

so... are we to presume that professor murata doesn't know what she's teaching/talking about?

You didn't answer my question.

If a married couple doesn't want to have children, are they allowed to have sex?

I forgot to answer this the last time I quoted you. I mean... I don't see why not? but the biological purpose for having sex is to create offspring.

Do you have a source for this story? Or is it just assumed?

The concept of an all powerful force is not innate. You're talking about it in a singular form (one god). I think wonderment is innate, but that doesn't necessarily translate into believing in a god.

The issue is not about spirituality, the issue is that people take this "force" as you call it and make rules and guidelines surrounding it and expect other people to follow it.

If people found a collective joy in their wonderment instead of insisting that their personal concepts are more true than another, we would have a different world.

sorry I believe it's called amana, not dhikr. I learned it in a class 5 years ago from the professor's lecture and the textbook at the time, the name of the textbook is 'the vision of islam' but I gave it away as a birthday present the next year. so i'm afraid i can't provide many more details myself.

according to the concept, the knowledge that humans have of there being a god is innate. something instilled as part of the essence of being a human, making it natural.

most humans are brought up normally - in a society, civilization, with other people. it's not every day we find people stranded on islands who've been there for their entire lives and even if they do, they'd be riddled with way too many psychological problems for us to communicate conversations with them.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Daily caffeine consumption is harmful too. but no one ever really says anything about it. it's comparable to marijuana although because that is an intoxicant it is deemed haram no matter what. however, as drugs themselves, their levels of harm to the body are relatively comparable.

Even the halal things can harm a body if overused/consumed.

so... are we to presume that professor murata doesn't know what she's teaching/talking about?

I'll need to have a full look at what the professor is talking about to determine.
To say shariah allows it is not correct.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Even the halal things can harm a body if overused/consumed.

why can't marijuana be halal if consumed appropriately/not overused? it intoxicates yes but it also serves a lot of practical purposes.

I'll need to have a full look at what the professor is talking about to determine.
To say shariah allows it is not correct.

unfortunately besides that site, I cannot find any shortcuts to her works. books she's written: the tao of islam, and the vision of islam which was cowritten by her husband, willian chittick.

 

[Feenix]

This review of Finding Jesus isn't too favorable, and confirms what I expected to happen

http://variety.com/2015/tv/reviews/tv-review-finding-jesus-faith-fact-forgery-1201441657/

CNN is a piss poor news network. There was potential for all the evidence to be presented for and against the authenticity of the Shroud of Tourin, but instead, they opted for more Hollywood and less documentary.

For the record, I think the radiocarbon dating test conducted in 1988 is correct and that the Shroud is from the Medieval times.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

why can't marijuana be halal if consumed appropriately/not overused? it intoxicates yes but it also serves a lot of practical purposes.

I don't know enough about Marijuana to give a strong detailed answer, but what lot of it harms, it's best to avoid even little of it.
Substance that drives the conscience mind shut operates by denying the flow of blood to certain parts of the brain, limiting the function of the gray matter under direction of the aware mind.

 

[Apollo]

ISIS bulldozes ruins of ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud (located in Iraq), Iraqi ministry says

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/world/iraq-isis-destroys-ancient-city-nimrud/index.html

Archeologists believe that the city was given the name Nimrud in modern times after the Biblical Nimrod. The city was identified as the Biblical city of Calah - Genesis 10 by some archeologists.

The terrorist organization is known for destroying other religious artifacts and buildings. They also have no problem destroying buildings of Islamic significance. In 2014 they destroyed the Mosque of Prophet Jonah.
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Mosque before its destruction by ISIS.

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[Destructus86]

I read an article a few minutes ago that greatly saddened me. A professor was giving a speech at a christian university and spoke out against nationalism (patriotism, etc..) and Christianity. After he spoke out against it and his speech was finished he was fired...by the Christian leaders of the college. :/

It's deeply saddening to me to see just how much nationalism has infected Christianity.

 

[Warhammer]

You didn't answer my question.

If a married couple doesn't want to have children, are they allowed to have sex?

If you are a Catholic, the answer is hell no. Oral sex or *********ing is a mortal sin also.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

ISIS bulldozes ruins of ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud (located in Iraq), Iraqi ministry says

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/05/world/iraq-isis-destroys-ancient-city-nimrud/index.html

Archeologists believe that the city was given the name Nimrud in modern times after the Biblical Nimrod. The city was identified as the Biblical city of Calah - Genesis 10 by some archeologists.

The terrorist organization is known for destroying other religious artifacts and buildings. They also have no problem destroying buildings of Islamic significance. In 2014 they destroyed the Mosque of Prophet Jonah.
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Mosque before its destruction by ISIS.

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That angers me to my core, as an avid lover of history and culture.

Also, very poor form to post this in the religion thread. It should be posted in one of the below:
Discussion: Iraq
Discussion: Acts of Terrorism

 

[Feenix]

If you are a Catholic, the answer is hell no. Oral sex or *********ing is a mortal sin also.

I feel bad for childless Catholic women.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I don't know enough about Marijuana to give a strong detailed answer, but what lot of it harms, it's best to avoid even little of it.

let's say, smoking marijuana twice a week is deemed moderate. smoking twice a week won't do very much bodily harm, but it'll probably get you high twice a week.

Substance that drives the conscience mind shut operates by denying the flow of blood to certain parts of the brain, limiting the function of the gray matter under direction of the aware mind.

in my experience, the conscious mind can benefit from moderate sessions of marijuana intoxication. going overboard with it obviously could lead to psychological issues, but too much of anything is bad for you.

 

[CaptainWagner]

If you are a Catholic, the answer is hell no. Oral sex or *********ing is a mortal sin also.

I've always wandered how that started. Does anyone here know the original basis for those rules?

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

That's what is called pleasure mating, it undervalues the point of marriage, and ignores lots of values from the marriage, so it is not allowed.

also, the logic behind it explained quite bluntly is that is to avoid *********ion. men and women have sexual desires, we are not supposed to give into the desires but you can only fight so much until your frustration brings you more distress than relief. and *********ing is selfish because you're pleasuring yourself - pleasure's something that should be shared between a man and a woman and that's what merits temporary marriage.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

also, the logic behind it explained quite bluntly is that is to avoid *********ion. men and women have sexual desires, we are not supposed to give into the desires but you can only fight so much until your frustration brings you more distress than relief. and *********ing is selfish because you're pleasuring yourself - pleasure's something that should be shared between a man and a woman and that's what merits temporary marriage.

I prefer fasting.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I prefer fasting.

how is that a practical routine?

if you're not old enough or financially stable enough to get married but have strong feelings for someone and the feelings to begin a sexual relationship is mutual, what would your body be gaining physically if instead of being sexually active, you fasted?

 

[Spider-Aziz]

how is that a practical routine?

if you're not old enough or financially stable enough to get married but have strong feelings for someone and the feelings to begin a sexual relationship is mutual, what would your body be gaining physically if instead of being sexually active, you fasted?

Fasting is holding back on desire, forbidden desire before holding back on nourishment.
That applies to no marriage sex, *********ion, etc.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Fasting is holding back on desire, forbidden desire before holding back on nourishment.
That applies to no marriage sex, *********ion, etc.

I believe for that for adult human life, sexual activity is important. And by 'temporary marriage' doctrine, sexual intercourse provides the mutual benefit both sexes need. But it still makes *********ion haram, casual/unlawful sex haram.

 

[Marvolo]

I added these to my collection today:

 

[Black Narcissus]

I joined a religion.

Dudeism.

The Dude is my Zen Master.

Also, I prefer brown/black Jesus over Swedish looking Jesus.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

I find it so preposterous that you can have an avy like that, but we can't curse. Haha

 

[Greens]

if you're not old enough or financially stable enough to get married but have strong feelings for someone and the feelings to begin a sexual relationship is mutual, what would your body be gaining physically if instead of being sexually active, you fasted?

Nothing.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

Nothing.

Fasting is supposed to help get you closer to god as it is an act driven to help purify your soul. Your body however may not be so sustained if fasting is done more regularly than so prescribed

Edit: Aziz did a better job explaining what fasting is for but again - that's for purification of the soul. I don't think the human body is capable, physically built, evolved or what have you, however you wanna say it, as a vessel for fasting for a prolonged period past prescription. Especially not to substitute for sexual urges.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Nothing.

It helps strengthen ones resolve.

Fasting is supposed to help get you closer to god as it is an act driven to help purify your soul. Your body however may not be so sustained if fasting is done more regularly than so prescribed

Edit: Aziz did a better job explaining what fasting is for but again - that's for purification of the soul. I don't think the human body is capable, physically built, evolved or what have you, however you wanna say it, as a vessel for fasting for a prolonged period past prescription. Especially not to substitute for sexual urges.

You don't have to do it everyday, sometimes 3 days, sometimes 1 day, as long as necessary to let the urge subside.

 

[XtremelyBaneful]

It helps strengthen ones resolve.

You don't have to do it everyday, sometimes 3 days, sometimes 1 day, as long as necessary to let the urge subside.

I wouldn't even know how to begin looking up statistics for this, but let's say an adult human craves sex maybe once a week. Instead of having consensual sex once a week, they'd end up fasting 48 times the entire year, plus the 4 weeks for ramadan. My issue with seeing how this is logical is that I don't think this is practical for proper sustenance of the human body. It makes more sense to just... have sex. It benefits the person, and the person's partner.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I wouldn't even know how to begin looking up statistics for this, but let's say an adult human craves sex maybe once a week. Instead of having consensual sex once a week, they'd end up fasting 48 times the entire year, plus the 4 weeks for ramadan. My issue with seeing how this is logical is that I don't think this is practical for proper sustenance of the human body. It makes more sense to just... have sex. It benefits the person, and the person's partner.

That's why it's better to unite the couple at a younger age.