To Believe or Not To Believe? (SHOW RESPECT, OR RISK A BAN)

[jmc]

Not repress, guide and manage.
A diet program.

To manage is to control. People don't need control.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

To manage is to control. People don't need control.

I am a dyed in the wool atheist... And even I understand that if you want to be involved in anything even close to civilization... Yes. People need controls, of one kind or the other. We all can espouse whatever pie in the sky type ideals, but the hard facts of practical living will always leaven their application in the real world. Anything goes at any time is not conducive to civilized life as we have known it, point blank.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

^He's right you know.

 

[jmc]

I am a dyed in the wool atheist... And even I understand that if you want to be involved in anything even close to civilization... Yes. People need controls, of one kind or the other. We all can espouse whatever pie in the sky type ideals, but the hard facts of practical living will always leaven their application in the real world. Anything goes at any time is not conducive to civilized life as we have known it, point blank.

Forgive me for not being clear with the context of that comment. I was referring specifically to this instance that people need management of their sex life from others.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Forgive me for not being clear with the context of that comment. I was referring specifically to this instance that people need management of their sex life from others.

Okay-dokay... That is much clearer. And.. (sorry Aziz ), that I do agree with. Outside of the obvious universally, across cultures crimes of rape, incest, child sexual abuse... No. It is up to consenting adults to make these decisions about their sex lives. Of course just like anything these issues should be dealt with honestly and openly. You can do whatever you want, as long as you are willing to live with the risks and consequences. So... You want to have tons of sex and take no precautions for pregnancy or STDs? Welp... You may well end up with a child or a disease. Now, say you do take precautions? Well, then I might have private judgments based on more particular details, (are you a man or woman just stringing a sex partner along with PROMISES of something deeper but you are just out for a fling? Then that LIE is the real problem, not your action of seeking sexual gratification. Are your partner and yourself being HONEST about sex, even if a long term relationship is off the table? Then, that is the business of those two and I can't find some huge negative that I can pinpoint, compared to the plethora of other Human Behaviors that need addressing in this world of ours.) but in the end, no I can't say that judgmental guidance is at all needed or desirable. The act of sex itself to me is not at all sinful in and of itself, but it is tied up with things that can lead to outcomes even I find morally wrong... But it is those other things I judge, not the act itself or people's inner desire to take part in it.

My two cents.

 

[Greens]

It's not like I am missing out on anything other than meaningless sex with girls I don't really care about.

You can have meaningful sex with multiple partners. Most of us don't find "the one" right away but still have loving relationships with people.

 

[Feenix]

I think a lot of people here are completely misunderstanding what it means to be in a sexual relationship. We're talking about relationships that people enter into with the purpose of continuing them. This isn't meaningless sex with many partners and "picking your favourite", it's being in a committed and loving relationship with the expectation that the relationship will continue. Sometimes these relationships end. That doesn't mean you were "sampling" anyone.

I think a lot of posters here are very inexperienced with relationships and don't really know what goes into them.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

You have to remember love is a choice of commitment. It's not supposed to be some animalistic reaction. You are supposed to be selfless in dedicating your life to one person. In sickness and health etc. It's not supposed to be a case of comparing experiences over a dozen people and picking your favorite. You don't need that to dedicate your life to someone.

100% agree with that statement. And like I said if sex is a MAJOR factor in your decision to build a lasting relationship, I am afraid that relationship is gonna fail. Because you are gonna get older and sex isn't gonna happen that often and then what? So you need much more than just that. Really loving someone is sticking with them during the good times and bad times, encouraging one another etc.

 

[Destructus86]

Why did we get on the topic of sex anyway? It's not really anyone's concern what others do in their bedroom.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Anyway this topic has become more about sex that than what to subject of the topic is about ha. Did anyone catch the CNN special "Finding Jesus"? I missed it last week and yesterday. Did not know it was a weekly thing. I assume it's gonna run through Easter?

 

[ShadowBoxer]

Why did we get on the topic of sex anyway? It's not really anyone's concern what others do in their bedroom.

Yea I don't even know lol. Let's just squash that topic as it has derailed the thread.

 

[Feenix]

It didn't derail the thread at all. The topic of sex is huge when it comes to religion. I assume many of you are not having premarital sex because of religion.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think the strict sex rules turns alot of people away from religion.

Then again it wouldn't feel right if the church supported orgies and loveless sex.

 

[Apollo]

Why did we get on the topic of sex anyway? It's not really anyone's concern what others do in their bedroom.

Spot on t:

 

[Destructus86]

It didn't derail the thread at all. The topic of sex is huge when it comes to religion. I assume many of you are not having premarital sex because of religion.

True...that is a relevant topic...IF it's in regards to people who are already Christian. It's not really a topic if it's in regards to people who are not religious.

 

[Apollo]

Oh interesting. I thought this finding Jesus thing was just a 1 time show thing not a sierras of episodes.

Yeah it is 6 episodes. But for me it isn't long enough though since they have to condense a lot of the information into 40 minute episodes. The Shroud of Turin episode and the John the Baptist should have been longer. But there are plenty of other documentary shows about the same subject matter that has a lot more information. There is an hour long documentary produced by BBC on the shroud which talk mostly about the science. A lot of their findings CNN didn't have time to report on. Finding Jesus is great for those who want to get and idea on what these relics are. Not to mention the wonderfully produced dramatization. I say once you watch these it would be important to watch the other documentaries that explain a lot more. Many of them are on Youtube and Netflix.

 

[Feenix]

The first part of Zeitgeist is good as well.

 

[ShadowBoxer]

The CNN Facebook page is a flame war between believers and non believers in regards to the Finding Jesus documentary. Mostly people bashing CNN for doing a documentary on Jesus. Some claim he didn't exist which is false. Even non believer historians acknowledge that Jesus existed. They just don't accept that he was divine or truly the son of God.

 

[Feenix]

The CNN Facebook page is a flame war between believers and non believers in regards to the Finding Jesus documentary. Mostly people bashing CNN for doing a documentary on Jesus. Some claim he didn't exist which is false. Even non believer historians acknowledge that Jesus existed. They just don't accept that he was divine or truly the son of God.

The CNN comments pages are always a flame war.

Their "documentary" isn't really all that great. It's more Hollywood than documentary and they're trying to walk that fine line between angering the religious and supporting them. They don't want to alienate any population and lose ratings.

 

[Apollo]

The CNN Facebook page is a flame war between believers and non believers in regards to the Finding Jesus documentary. Mostly people bashing CNN for doing a documentary on Jesus. Some claim he didn't exist which is false. Even non believer historians acknowledge that Jesus existed. They just don't accept that he was divine or truly the son of God.

It's pretty disgusting some of the comments I read from there. They are usually always trollish in nature with A lot of blatant Christophobia. It is really sad. But it is to be expected. At least there are good comments there too. However, I try not to read Facebook comments on CNN or really any news site if it deals with a Christian story because you'll find those type of ridicules comments. Even Christian news sites are sometimes overrun by trolls. The whole Jesus never existed is really ridicules. I mean people don't believe the holocaust ever happened. Some don't believe we went to the moon. It's all ridicules denial-ism to the extreme. In a couple thousands years you'll read racist comments on how MLK never existed, or Gahndi never existed. Every reputable historian agrees Jesus lived. I just do my best to ignore it. That is the only thing you can do.

 

[Feenix]

Trolls are everywhere.


And denying the existence of Jesus is not on the same level as denying the Holocaust.

 

[Human Torch]

Trolls are everywhere.


And denying the existence of Jesus is not on the same level as denying the Holocaust.

I hope you're not serious.

 

[Human Torch]

It's pretty disgusting some of the comments I read from there. They are usually always trollish in nature with A lot of blatant Christophobia. It is really sad. But it is to be expected. At least there are good comments there too. However, I try not to read Facebook comments on CNN or really any news site if it deals with a Christian story because you'll find those type of ridicules comments. Even Christian news sites are sometimes overrun by trolls. The whole Jesus never existed is really ridicules. I mean people don't believe the holocaust ever happened. Some don't believe we went to the moon. It's all ridicules denial-ism to the extreme. In a couple thousands years you'll read racist comments on how MLK never existed, or Gahndi never existed. Every reputable historian agrees Jesus lived. I just do my best to ignore it. That is the only thing you can do.

Very true.

I don't even bother with CNN. Most of those "history channel" things are disappointing to say the least.

I'm looking forward to checking out A.D. on NBC this Easter,though.

 

[Apollo]

I think the strict sex rules turns a lot of people away from religion.

Then again it wouldn't feel right if the church supported orgies and loveless sex.

I think so too. Some people - mostly young people in high school/college - prize sex as the most important thing in their live where others do not. When I go to church I rarely see high school/college age participants. Mostly all the young people are well over 25 and over. Many of them are already done with the college life and are already married. I do think young people that are still in school don't like the sex rules of the church, such as no sex before marriage. But it is what it is. I doubt the Church will ever change when it comes to that, and they shouldn't.

 

[Feenix]

I hope you're not serious.

I'm just saying there's much more evidence for the Holocaust than Jesus.

For the record, I do think a man named Jesus existed, but obviously I think his story has been great exaggerated.