The Dark Knight To Bleach or Not to Bleach? That is the Question

[regwec]

Something might be done to "justify" it on its own terms, but to me it just won't be as satisfactory as if the change had not been made.

 

[Motown Marvel]

Something might be done to "justify" it on its own terms, but to me it just won't be as satisfactory as if the change had not been made.

indeed, i think that's as good as it could get, given the situation. but ideally, not good enough. its just a change that really seems pointless to me.

 

[S.D. Plissken]

Permawhite isn't necessary. This is the most accurate portrayal of the character from what we have seen so far.

I don't care if he's a self made freak.

 

[regwec]

In the same breath, you say that this interpretation is the most and the least similar to the original.

 

[The Joker]

This is the most accurate portrayal of the character from what we have seen so far.

Wait until you see the movie before making such a statement.

 

[kyuubijavi1]

wasnt there an interview with Michel Cain about how the Joker never removes the make up so it slowly sinks it's self into his skin making at the very least his face bleached I mean if at the end of the movie theres no way to remove the Joker face off of him then that pretty much means we all get a bleached Joker just not the old fashioned way.

 

[Boom]

wasnt there an interview with Michel Cain about how the Joker never removes the make up so it slowly sinks it's self into his skin making at the very least his face bleached I mean if at the end of the movie theres no way to remove the Joker face off of him then that pretty much means we all get a bleached Joker just not the old fashioned way.

It's makeup. It may "rot" to his face, but it can still be washed off.

Plus, we know of at least one scene where The Joker is sans makeup.

 

[StylishHokie21]

Permawhite isn't necessary. This is the most accurate portrayal of the character from what we have seen so far.

Why is it not necessary? Is it because it's not "realistic?"

 

[S.D. Plissken]

Wow, this is more than a few responses to a very small statement:

"Permawhite isn't necessary. This is the most accurate portrayal of the character from what we have seen so far.

I don't care if he's a self made freak."

In the same breath, you say that this interpretation is the most and the least similar to the original.

What I mean is, at it's heart, this is the best we've had as a live action film Joker (Mark Hamill's animated series version is perfect and completely source-accurate, but it isn't live action). Nicholson looked like a great 70's-80's comic era Joker, but he lacked the menace and psychosis. He wasn't scary or dangerous. This Joker is scary and above all, he's unpredictable. That has always been the core of this character.

Wait until you see the movie before making such a statement.

I said, from what we've seen so far. Trailers, stills, etc. In my opinion, this is a true statement. You don't think this looks like the best live action version from what you've seen? What, are you a Caesar Romero fan or something?

Why is it not necessary? Is it because it's not "realistic?"

I guess that no, it isn't realistic, but I don't really care about that because these films and the idea of a realistic batman isn't mine. I'm just a spectator, and as a spectator, I think that the makeup version fits better in this "more realistic" universe, which basically uses the comics as inspiration, it doesn't strictly adhere to orgins, costumes, etc.

It's more of a personal statement, as in "I, the person writing this write now, do not care about a permawhite joker", and really, who care about that?

I think it takes balls to try something different, so I commend Nolan on his choice to do something different with Joker. I was unsure myself at first, but I'm glad he's taken the road less traveled.

 

[Nightmare]

The makeup is fine. Its smeared and he looks sadistic. I love it.

 

[Boom]

I have to say, honestly, that the image of Ledger's Joker is embedded in my mind. It's the definitive visual adaptation of the character for me now.

Well, in my mind he DOES have permanent white skin, but hey, that's what the mind's for.

 

[The Joker]

I said, from what we've seen so far. Trailers, stills, etc. In my opinion, this is a true statement.You don't think this looks like the best live action version from what you've seen?

I never judge a book by it's cover. It all looks promising for sure, but I don't like to declare that I think it's going to be the best ever.

I certainly hope it is, though.

What, are you a Caesar Romero fan or something?

Actually Caesar is the most accurate portrayl so far. His Joker is totally loyal to the era it was based on.

 

[regwec]

It won't ever be embedded on my mind, because it is so derrivative of other designs (The Crow, Clockwork Orange, Ichi etc). I actually think that, in decades' time, it will prove fairly forgetable. The film itself will probably be remembered for Heath's death, however.

 

[Boom]

It won't ever be embedded on my mind, because it is so derrivative of other designs (The Crow, Clockwork Orange, Ichi etc). I actually think that, in decades' time, it will prove fairly forgetable. The film itself will probably be remembered for Heath's death, however.

We'll have to see for ourselves. It's really hard to trust the word of anyone from the production in terms of Heath's death. That's just promotion, as morbid as it sounds given the tragic event.

Still, if the performance and characterization is everything it's hyped up to be, who know? It might stick around for a while.

 

[S.D. Plissken]

I don't understand the lack of enthusiasm, guys.

This hype is irresistable, why be such a ****ing downer.

Be-excited;



B-E EXCITED!





Here in case you forgot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited

 

[Boom]

I don't understand the lack of enthusiasm, guys.

This hype is irresistable, why be such a ****ing downer.

Be-excited;



B-E EXCITED!





Here in case you forgot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited

I can be excited and still have my problems with the movie. Those ideas aren't exclusive from one another.

 

[regwec]

Why would one choose to be excited purely because one is aware of marketing? I have been aware of the movie for a couple of years now. My anticipation took a massive knock when The Joker was first unveiled, and it has remained basically stable since then, though it has ebbed a bit lately.

 

[Boom]

Why would one choose to be excited purely because one is aware of marketing? I have been aware of the movie for a couple of years now. My anticipation took a massive knock when The Joker was first unveiled, and it has remained basically stable since then, though it has ebbed a bit lately.

Spoiler

The Joker turns out to be Bruce Wayne's roommate from Princeton.

Hope that didn't deliver a crushing blow to your anticipation .

 

[S.D. Plissken]

I won't lie...my anticipation is damaged.....but my enthusiasm.....

REMAINS HIGH!!

t:

 

[regwec]

Spoiler

The Joker turns out to be Bruce Wayne's roommate from Princeton.

Hope that didn't deliver a crushing blow to your anticipation .

Catwoman was also his teenage girlfriend, Two Face was the golden boy in his class and Ra's al Ghul was the sullen curator at a local museum.

Welcome to Batville.

 

[MaceB]

It won't ever be embedded on my mind, because it is so derrivative of other designs (The Crow, Clockwork Orange, Ichi etc). I actually think that, in decades' time, it will prove fairly forgetable. The film itself will probably be remembered for Heath's death, however.

I actually really appreciate all those influences. I mean... the joker has been around for a while, so it's not like his design will ever be 100% original. And since the Joker is a violent anarchist, it would make sense that Nolan would look at great movies like Clockwork Orange for guidance/inspiration.
Where you might see it as derrivative, I see it as one part of an awesome conversation between these various films and styles. That's what makes watching movies so much fun. I mean... I know that Woody Allen is taking from Fellini or whoever else for example, but those choices reflect his interests as an artist. Great art or entertainment has always called upon iconic imagery, but it's our job to keep revisiting those images, or styles, or motifs in order to build upon them and keep them lively.

I think that Joker's look is dark and bizarre, and I love that it reminds me of other roles that I've seen in the past.

 

[Nightwing1977]

Actually Caesar is the most accurate portrayl so far. His Joker is totally loyal to the era it was based on.

But you can spot his mustache underneath the makeup!! OMG! Joker has a special "all white mustache".

 

[guitarkhero311]

It won't ever be embedded on my mind, because it is so derrivative of other designs (The Crow, Clockwork Orange, Ichi etc). I actually think that, in decades' time, it will prove fairly forgetable. The film itself will probably be remembered for Heath's death, however.

So Hannibal Lecter played by Hopkins is derrivative because he took after mannerisms of some of the most gruesome serial killers of all time, not just the novel. Tell that one to the Academy and the rest of the movie watching globe. Its ok for your interpretation to be modeled after other characters, he still is modeling himself after the Joker from the comics so it's all there, he is just adding persona's and mannerisms to spice it up. I don't see how any Batfan can not be excited about this movie.

 

[Franky4Fingers]

It won't ever be embedded on my mind, because it is so derrivative of other designs (The Crow, Clockwork Orange, Ichi etc). I actually think that, in decades' time, it will prove fairly forgetable. The film itself will probably be remembered for Heath's death, however.

Yeah bc the joker isnt permawhite and has been influenced by other sources (quite common in cinema) this movie will definately be forgettable. You do realize that you can take influences to create the basis of something original.

 

[Saint]

Correct; but that is not necessarily the situation in this case. Everything about degrees, and there is a degree where "inspiration" becomes derivation. I don't agree with Regwec that this line has been reached in TDK, but your counterarguments aren't particularly convincing.