Guardians of the Galaxy To Infinity and Beyond: The Thanos Thread

[pr0xyt0xin]

NO duh. Its for the sake of conversation PURELY. And you might respond "Well I dont want to conversate about that." Then don't. The question wasn't directed toward people who aren't interested in the infinity gem theory.

90% of the discussions on this website are hypothetical. And never once did I claim my point was any more or less than that.

 

[Spider-Vader]

I really like the suggestions that Thanos be working 'with' the GOTG in their movie. I certainly believe some sentences uttered to him and a smile from Thanos is not enough before throwing him in Avengers 2.

I'm 110% sure that Thanos being set-up in GOTG is the main reason that it's being made.

 

[cherokeesam]

NO duh. Its for the sake of conversation PURELY. And you might respond "Well I dont want to conversate about that." Then don't. The question wasn't directed toward people who aren't interested in the infinity gem theory.

90% of the discussions on this website are hypothetical. And never once did I claim my point was any more or less than that.

When you asked the other poster, "Oh it's not? Where did you hear that?" it sounded pretty snarky. If that wasn't your intent, and it was an honest question, then I apologize for misreading it. Tone and context are difficult to read on the Internets.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

When you asked the other poster, "Oh it's not? Where did you hear that?" it sounded pretty snarky. If that wasn't your intent, and it was an honest question, then I apologize for misreading it. Tone and context are difficult to read on the Internets.

He sounded pretty authoritative. I thought maybe he heard something I didn't. Seems like there is no definitive thus far. Seems like we can discuss whatever the heck we want until further notice.

No, no proof of the Mind Gem. No proof otherwise either.

I'm 110% sure that Thanos being set-up in GOTG is the main reason that it's being made.

Logical. Also, think of it the other way around. GotG is a good excuse to use Thanos, but Thanos is also a great excuse to set up an entirely new slew of characters. And the potential box office success that follows.

 

[Hyde]

Captain America: Let's start with that stick of his. It may be magical but it works an awful lot like a HYDRA weapon.

Nick Fury: I don't know about that, but it is powered by the cube.

Bruce Banner says it emits the same gamma signature as the Tesseract.

Can't think of any more.

 

[jaqua99]

Captain America: Let's start with that stick of his. It may be magical but it works an awful lot like a HYDRA weapon.

Nick Fury: I don't know about that, but it is powered by the cube.

Bruce Banner says it emits the same gamma signature as the Tesseract.

Can't think of any more.

I think fury is making the conclusion based on his observation that it is emitting the same gamma signature as the Tesseract. From the scientific method's stand point (yes, I just started school this week -_-) all it is, is a guess, a hypothesis based on his observation. If all we have to back up that it is powered by the Cube, is Nick Fury making that statement based off an observation, then sure, it could simply be an observation.

Humor me.

Now, while I don't believe it is the mind gem in the scepter, I am trying to see it from both sides. Who is to say the mind gem, or any of the gems for that matter, DONT emit the same radiation as the tesseract?

We don't know that they DON'T because the gems haven't officially been revealed in the MCU yet.
So with that being said, lets say the gems DO give off the same radiation as the Tesseract.

Based off what Fury has said, it can easily be guessed that, whatever that thing is in the scepter, is powered by the tesseract, when in fact, it isn't. It is just giving off the same radiation.

Now again, right now, I don't believe it is the mind gem.

However, based that dialogue, it seems like Fury draws that conclusion based on his observation, and that is just what it is, an observation, which lead to an assumption which hasn't been backed up.

Could I be reaching? Maybe, but the point is, there are points for either side.

So as of right now, anyone attacking someone of the other thoughts really shouldn't be doing so, because there really isn't anything to prove you are right, and they are wrong, since what has been said about the scepter is just based off an observation made by Fury

 

[Hyde]

I think fury is making the conclusion based on his observation that it is emitting the same gamma signature as the Tesseract. From the scientific method's stand point (yes, I just started school this week -_-) all it is, is a guess, a hypothesis based on his observation. If all we have to back up that it is powered by the Cube, is Nick Fury making that statement based off an observation, then sure, it could simply be an observation.

Humor me.

Now, while I don't believe it is the mind gem in the scepter, I am trying to see it from both sides. Who is to say the mind gem, or any of the gems for that matter, DONT emit the same radiation as the tesseract?

We don't know that they DON'T because the gems haven't officially been revealed in the MCU yet.
So with that being said, lets say the gems DO give off the same radiation as the Tesseract.

Based off what Fury has said, it can easily be guessed that, whatever that thing is in the scepter, is powered by the tesseract, when in fact, it isn't. It is just giving off the same radiation.

Now again, right now, I don't believe it is the mind gem.

However, based that dialogue, it seems like Fury draws that conclusion based on his observation, and that is just what it is, an observation, which lead to an assumption which hasn't been backed up.

Could I be reaching? Maybe, but the point is, there are points for either side.

So as of right now, anyone attacking someone of the other thoughts really shouldn't be doing so, because there really isn't anything to prove you are right, and they are wrong, since what has been said about the scepter is just based off an observation made by Fury

Me too :P I'm just using the logic of it all. Why would Thanos GIVE AWAY an INFINITY GEM!?!?!?!

 

[jaqua99]

Me too :P I'm just using the logic of it all. Why would Thanos GIVE AWAY an INFINITY GEM!?!?!?!

He wouldn't. But you never know. But my point is there is evidence for both. Cause the way I am looking at it, it isn't necessarily a fact that the scepter is powered by the tesseract.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Me too :P I'm just using the logic of it all. Why would Thanos GIVE AWAY an INFINITY GEM!?!?!?!

because he can't power them without the Tesseract. Its his attempt at one step back two steps forward.

 

[jaqua99]

of course, this just being a theory though. ^

 

[SpideyFan866]

Like the Hydra weapons, Loki's scepter was just powered by the tesseract. nothing more.

The infinity gauntlet and all of the gems are still in odin's vault.

Now, obviously, at some point during phase 2 (probs during Thor 2), the Gauntlet and gems will be taken from the vault (somehow), acquired by the GOTG and likely split up.

 

[jaqua99]

Like the Hydra weapons, Loki's scepter was just powered by the tesseract. nothing more.

The infinity gauntlet and all of the gems are still in odin's vault.

Now, obviously, at some point during phase 2 (probs during Thor 2), the Gauntlet and gems will be taken from the vault (somehow), acquired by the GOTG and likely split up.

I like it. That's one way they can turn the IG already in the vault into an MCU version of "Thanos Quest"

 

[Hyde]

Except how would the Guardians break into Asgard?

 

[Captain Marvel]

It'd be a lot easier if the Infinity Gems were already split up. Having them all together only to split them up again would be an overcomplication and a complete waste of time. Nevermind that it'd be plain stupid. Why split it up when you can use the power of the Infinity Gauntlet to annihilate any potential threat? The gauntlet showed up for about a third of a second. That's not a piece of continuity which Marvel needs to be beholden to.

Like the Hydra weapons, Loki's scepter was just powered by the tesseract. nothing more.

If the Tesseract contained the Power Gem then that'd make sense, as the Power Gem powers the other five gems.

 

[SpideyFan866]

It'd be a lot easier if the Infinity Gems were already split up. Having them all together only to split them up again would be an overcomplication and a complete waste of time. Nevermind that it'd be plain stupid. Why split it up when you can use the power of the Infinity Gauntlet to annihilate any potential threat? The gauntlet showed up for about a third of a second. That's not a piece of continuity which Marvel needs to be beholden to.



If the Tesseract contained the Power Gem then that'd make sense, as the Power Gem powers the other five gems.

But the tesseract is a huge power source all its own. It doesn't need an outside source like the power gem.

Also, as far as the gems go, I think it works if they are already together.

Why wouldn't Odin have the completed gauntlet in his possession? It only makes since to split them up if, like in this case, the were in danger of falling in the wrong hands.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Except how would the Guardians break into Asgard?

It might not be the Guardians who break into Asgard. Perhaps someone sinister, who knew of Thanos's interest in it, stole it.

THEN, would they steal it from them in order to keep it out of the wrong hands.

 

[Captain Marvel]

But the tesseract is a huge power source all its own. It doesn't need an outside source like the power gem.

What I mean is the power gem could be inside the cube. The cube itself could be an interface device built around the power gem which allows users to access the power it contains.

Why wouldn't Odin have the completed gauntlet in his possession? It only makes since to split them up if, like in this case, the were in danger of falling in the wrong hands.

It doesn't make sense because if they're all together then there's no threat of anyone getting their hands on it. Odin could just put the gauntlet on and wish the threat away. Think about it: You have the Infinity Gauntlet. Somebody wants to get it. THEY CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE INFINITY GAUNTLET! YOU'RE GOD! THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THEY COULD DO THAT COULD EVER BE A THREAT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OMNIPOTENT!

That's why splitting them up would be dumb, because whoever has a fully assembled Infinity Gauntlet has absolutely nothing to fear from Thanos or anyone else who may want the gauntlet, because you're omnipotent. You can snap your fingers and they're dead. Taking an already assembled gauntlet and splitting up the gems is possibly the stupidest thing anyone could do.

 

[jaqua99]

Especially since the gauntlet is already in safe hands

 

[marcvader]

What I mean is the power gem could be inside the cube. The cube itself could be an interface device built around the power gem which allows users to access the power it contains.



It doesn't make sense because if they're all together then there's no threat of anyone getting their hands on it. Odin could just put the gauntlet on and wish the threat away. Think about it: You have the Infinity Gauntlet. Somebody wants to get it. THEY CAN'T GET IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE INFINITY GAUNTLET! YOU'RE GOD! THERE'S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING THEY COULD DO THAT COULD EVER BE A THREAT TO YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE OMNIPOTENT!

That's why splitting them up would be dumb, because whoever has a fully assembled Infinity Gauntlet has absolutely nothing to fear from Thanos or anyone else who may want the gauntlet, because you're omnipotent. You can snap your fingers and they're dead. Taking an already assembled gauntlet and splitting up the gems is possibly the stupidest thing anyone could do.

Unless Odin walks around with it, it's a risky move. They've already broken into his vault once before.

 

[misjuevos]

the gauntlet in the thor movie brings up so many questions. so will they disregard it or try to use it? maybe kenneth branagh told the set designer i need some cool marvel artifacts in this room. so he got a bunch of recognizable things that only fans would know what they were. i mean odin could have put it on anytime and go to jotunheim and ***** slap them.

im sure branagh had no idea what the infinity gauntlet really was. it could just end up being like cap's shield in the iron man movies.

but if they decide to use the one from thor i wouldn't be mad. it is just easier to have them look for the gems than to find the gauntlet already assembled, story wise. gives you more time to explain each gem or show what each one can do.

the coolest thing of all is we got to this point, i never thought it would happen. not only did we get an avengers movie but now a cosmic one, and thanos is mixed up in this universe too. it really is a golden age for superhero movies.

 

[cherokeesam]

the gauntlet in the thor movie brings up so many questions. so will they disregard it or try to use it? maybe kenneth branagh told the set designer i need some cool marvel artifacts in this room. so he got a bunch of recognizable things that only fans would know what they were. i mean odin could have put it on anytime and go to jotunheim and ***** slap them.

im sure branagh had no idea what the infinity gauntlet really was. it could just end up being like cap's shield in the iron man movies.

but if they decide to use the one from thor i wouldn't be mad. it is just easier to have them look for the gems than to find the gauntlet already assembled, story wise. gives you more time to explain each gem or show what each one can do.

the coolest thing of all is we got to this point, i never thought it would happen. not only did we get an avengers movie but now a cosmic one, and thanos is mixed up in this universe too. it really is a golden age for superhero movies.

I strongly doubt Branagh had anything to do with the contents of Odin's Treasury. That's something Marvel would have done for winks and grins at the fanboys in the audience.

And I don't understand why people keep trying to use Cap's alternate shield in IM2 as an "example" of an easter egg, when it isn't. Just because the shield in Tony's lab wasn't THE shield doesn't mean it's a throwaway (lopsided pun); it just means that it's *another* shield prototype, that Howard probably tinkered with sometime after Cap's (apparent) death in a failed attempt to re-create it.

 

[misjuevos]

And I don't understand why people keep trying to use Cap's alternate shield in IM2 as an "example" of an easter egg, when it isn't. Just because the shield in Tony's lab wasn't THE shield doesn't mean it's a throwaway (lopsided pun); it just means that it's *another* shield prototype, that Howard probably tinkered with sometime after Cap's (apparent) death in a failed attempt to re-create it.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/16...ains-appearance-captain-americas-shield.jhtml

jon favreau explains it. in the first movie an ILM guy put it in as a laugh. so in the next movie jon tried to run with it, he thought Joe Johnston would do something with it. but his movie was not in the present long enough to address it. so maybe next time if they decide to connect it. so far it is just a running gag, that happens to have actual ties to the starks and cap.

 

[Steve Holt]

what if the gauntlet in Thor is canon and they acknowledge it's there but it's gemless

 

[cherokeesam]

what if the gauntlet in Thor is canon and they acknowledge it's there but it's gemless

But the gems are clearly there, visible in photo blow-ups. Some people want to go all conspiracy theory on it and say it's fake gems and the real gems are somewhere else, but to me, that's stretching things a bit far.

 

[marcvader]

I think it's too dangerous an object to have assembled even if it is in Odin's vault.