Guardians of the Galaxy To Infinity and Beyond: The Thanos Thread

[jaqua99]

I thought THANOS was always presented as a self destructive sort? Did not Warlock tell him that he was always bringing his plans to failure because of his arrogance and because secretly, on an unconscious level he feels he is unworthy of the power he feels he must attain?

Correct. That's pretty much exactly what he said in Infinity Gauntlet

Yeah, I mean, Thanos is arguably the best strategist/intellect..or just overall the greatest mind in the MU

 

[metaphysician]

Enchantress in Thor 3 or gtfo

Screw Enchantress, we need Skurge!

 

[HUMANIMAL]

cap2 will lead into avengers thats why im asking, seems this leads to the masters of evil as well...and when will thanos appear? after all thats happening or better if thats the case.

ultron maybe introduced in cap 2 or atleast they mention pym as its ai creator or so. or not even close

then in avengers 2 the masters of evils tart to form and ultron as the main villain. whats in the third gonna happen? is thanos still in the background and not villain to beat face to face even in avengers 3?
and will be there in gotg2 and even future movies?
could it even be that the guardians meet the avengers like in the cartoon? without ironman cause it seems with pratt they have a new main character that will make the audience going to watch other avengers movies if so. even when they recast rdj i really wonder how they plan this

 

[Vartha]

Yeah, I mean, Thanos is arguably the best strategist/intellect..or just overall the greatest mind in the MU

then why did he fall for Loki's tricks hmm?

 

[HUMANIMAL]

cap2 will lead into avengers thats why im asking, seems this leads to the masters of evil as well...and when will thanos appear? after all thats happening or better if thats the case.

ultron maybe introduced in cap 2 or atleast they mention pym as its ai creator or so. or not even close

then in avengers 2 the masters of evils tart to form and ultron as the main villain. whats in the third gonna happen? is thanos still in the background and not villain to beat face to face even in avengers 3?
and will be there in gotg2 and even future movies?
could it even be that the guardians meet the avengers like in the cartoon? without ironman cause it seems with pratt they have a new main character that will make the audience going to watch other avengers movies if so. even when they recast rdj i really wonder how they plan this

guess i found an answer to this
'Guardians Of The Galaxy' Is Well Under Filming James Gunn Says

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So according to a newer interview, Thanos's appearance at the end of Avengers is being retconned, and he will just be a threat to GOTG for now. Strange, considering that cameo in Avengers got a huge reaction.

 

[VulcanVader]

Yep, it's strange considering Whedon always wanted to introduce Ultron in the Avengers sequel... why would he put Thanos?

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I know, another character could have surely made the cameo, perhaps even Ultron himself, we'll see how it plays out but I would prefer Marvel to stop ret-conning stuff from their own movie universe.

 

[metaphysician]

In what way is that a retcon?

Thanos still appeared at the end of Avengers, and still did, what he did. Its not a retcon for him to not be the big bad of Avengers 2, seeing as absolutely nowhere in Avengers 1 did it say "Thanos will be the big bad of Avengers 2."

 

[ares834]

Here is what Gunn said, "We have Thanos. Thanos is the thing connecting us to the rest of the Marvel Universe at this point. And in the future we’ll see what happens after this, but for right now, we’re connected to the rest of the Marvel Universe because we’re resetting the end of The Avengers."

Despite that though, "retconning" isn't what I see going on here. Perhaps, "pushing back" would work better.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Perhaps Thanos was originally intended to be the Phase 2 big bad, but he simply got pushed back and in the process we will get more build up for him.

 

[Captain Marvel]

I think we all just assumed he was gonna have a big part in the movie.

I didn't. I'd been saying for years, since before Avengers even came out in theaters, that Thanos is a villain you end a trilogy on. And when Avengers came out I'd been saying that he would be saved for Avengers 3 (just like how Palpatine was only mentioned in Star Wars, but wouldn't be disposed of until Return of the Jedi) and we'd have another, lesser villain playing the antagonist for Avengers 2, like Ultron. Frankly I'm surprised anyone ever thought that Thanos would be the main villain of Avengers 2. Doing so goes totally against the very concept of good story structure. You save the best for last. You don't jam it into the middle.

 

[jaqua99]

Nope. Thanos was always intended for Avengers 3 as his climax. Here's why. Not only did Fiege say that he and Joss were talking about Ultron on set for avengers 1, but Joss knew what he wanted to do for the sequel before he finished the first script.

The bit at the end of avengers 1 was letting the audience know that Thanos is there. He will get properly introduced in gotg, and as I have been saying for quite some time now, Thanos isn't going to be a "big bad" used only only. By the time his climax roles around, he will be an established, recognizable character in the MCU.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Hey, it's jaqua99, my brother-in-arms in saying that Thanos would be saved for Avengers 3.

 

[jaqua99]

Hey, it's jaqua99, my brother-in-arms in saying that Thanos would be saved for Avengers 3.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Vindication is a wonderful thing, isn't it? I was saying up and down before Avengers came out that Thanos would obviously turn up as an Avengers villain eventually, and I had that Franklin Richards guy telling me I was an idiot for thinking so, and bam! Who's in the first end credits scene for Avengers?

Then you, I, and a few others tell people that just because Thanos was in the end credits that that didn't mean that he was going to be the main villain in Avengers 2. Just because he was teased, it didn't mean he was going to be used right away, and that a villain like Ultron was more likely and that Thanos would be saved for Avengers 3, and bam! It's announced that Avengers 2 will be all about Ultron.

Either way, can't wait to see these movies and what Thanos will end up doing in all of them.

 

[jaqua99]

Vindication is a wonderful thing, isn't it? I was saying up and down before Avengers came out that Thanos would obviously turn up as an Avengers villain eventually, and I had that Franklin Richards guy telling me I was an idiot for thinking so, and bam! Who's in the first end credits scene for Avengers?

Then you, I, and a few others tell people that just because Thanos was in the end credits that that didn't mean that he was going to be the main villain in Avengers 2. Just because he was teased, it didn't mean he was going to be used right away, and that a villain like Ultron was more likely and that Thanos would be saved for Avengers 3, and bam! It's announced that Avengers 2 will be all about Ultron.

Either way, can't wait to see these movies and what Thanos will end up doing in all of them.

Yes. Where as Ultron will be the villain in this. I think Thanos will be an established character by the time avengers 3 roles around. He'll be recognizable. He'll be known by a lot of characters. He'll be in a few films where he isn't the main threat..but some screen time.

The lack of casting for him has nothing to do with him having very little screen time in gotg (which I think he will have just shy of a supporting character role), it's because it's the biggest villain of the MCU at this point.

 

[Captain Marvel]

Yeah, I expect him to show up a lot, but not as a primary antagonist until Avengers 3. My personal theory is that he may end up as something of an ally to the Guardians of the Galaxy against whoever it is they're fighting. He'll use them for his own ends and in helping them he'll achieve some kind of goal of his own. Hell, it may have something to do with the Collector. Maybe they're going to do a variant of Thanos Quest and have Thanos collecting the six Infinity Gems (And yeah, I don't think that Marvel is going to have a fully assembled Infinity Gauntlet laying around in Odin's treasure room. I don't think they're beholden to a split second cameo) over the course of several movies?

Thanos Quest, by the way, would make a fantastic movie adaptation. How awesome would it be to feature a future Avengers antagonist as the protagonist of his own movie beforehand? That would be killer, because you'll have the audience rooting for the bad guy while getting to see just how awesome he is, when it comes to his powers, his technology, and his intelligence. Sadly, it would never happen, but one can always dream...

 

[Thanos]

Yeah, I expect him to show up a lot, but not as a primary antagonist until Avengers 3. My personal theory is that he may end up as something of an ally to the Guardians of the Galaxy against whoever it is they're fighting. He'll use them for his own ends and in helping them he'll achieve some kind of goal of his own. Hell, it may have something to do with the Collector. Maybe they're going to do a variant of Thanos Quest and have Thanos collecting the six Infinity Gems (And yeah, I don't think that Marvel is going to have a fully assembled Infinity Gauntlet laying around in Odin's treasure room. I don't think they're beholden to a split second cameo) over the course of several movies?

Thanos Quest, by the way, would make a fantastic movie adaptation. How awesome would it be to feature a future Avengers antagonist as the protagonist of his own movie beforehand? That would be killer, because you'll have the audience rooting for the bad guy while getting to see just how awesome he is, when it comes to his powers, his technology, and his intelligence. Sadly, it would never happen, but one can always dream...

I would love to see Thanos Quest as a movie in the third act of the Avengers, leading up to Avengers 3. Big dreams, I know.

I could see them doing a 5 minute "after credits" scene in the multiple movies where it shows Thanos assembling the gems. I'd be fine with that but would prefer his own movie.

While I'm thinking about it, as an alternative to assembling the gauntlet, they could have Thanos enter Asgard and fight Thor and Odin, similar to their fights in the "Blood and Thunder" crossover. After holding his own, or defeating them, he walks out with the gauntlet. Just a thought.

- Thanos

 

[ares834]

I just don't understand why so many people want the Infinity Gauntlet as a film. It's an awesome comic but the story is far too big for the Avengers. I mean, the Avengers were absolutely nothing to Thanos. Even Celestials, Galactus and other abstract beings were nothing more than gnats to him.

Thanos is a big enough threat for the Avengers without the gauntlet IMO. I think they should do something else with him.

 

[jaqua99]

"Certainly you’ll get more than the one turn around and smirk. You’ll get much more than that!”"

It appears Thanos will have a...substantial role in gotg...more than a simple "in the background role" like I said...hate to say I told ya so Mr. Dent...but, well, yeah dude, I told ya so. (for the sake of preventing a disagreement, we aren't sure how big of a role still, it was just a playful jab)

 

[jaqua99]

I just don't understand why so many people want the Infinity Gauntlet as a film. It's an awesome comic but the story is far too big for the Avengers. I mean, the Avengers were absolutely nothing to Thanos. Even Celestials, Galactus and other abstract beings were nothing more than gnats to him.

Thanos is a big enough threat for the Avengers without the gauntlet IMO. I think they should do something else with him.

We aren't saying we want an infinity gauntlet based movie. Most of us want a Thanos story that involves the IG. In MCU form. That's all. It's not about the power. The Infinity Gauntlet is a classic. Some form of a story with Thanos attempting to complete the IG, or whatever is a desire of many fans.

 

[Hyde]

We aren't saying we want an infinity gauntlet based movie. Most of us want a Thanos story that involves the IG. In MCU form. That's all. It's not about the power. The Infinity Gauntlet is a classic. Some form of a story with Thanos attempting to complete the IG, or whatever is a desire of many fans.

I'm asking for an Infinity Gauntlet based movie.

 

[jaqua99]

I'm asking for an Infinity Gauntlet based movie.

Well that would be a wee bit difficult to do

 

[Hyde]

Well that would be a wee bit difficult to do

Unless I'm just misunderstanding you, how so? A loose adaptation of the comic is easy. Maybe take out the Nebula subplot and destroy the Gauntlet at the end of the movie, cosmic destruction, sense of danger and oppression, Earth being thrown out of orbit, continents falling into the ocean, a neverending ice age, throw in an epic final battle between the forces of Thanos, Asgard and superheroes at the end and BOOM! Oscars all round