Today in 1989...

[El Payaso]

Guys you really need to watch B'89 again!!! The change in emotion in Bats' eye when holding Jack over the railing . . . it's there!!! I noticed that 17 years ago. Another point to notice is when Bruce is looking through Napier's police file there is an old photo of 'Young Jack' as seen in the childhood remembered scene! He passes over it as if he's seen it before. To say that Bruce doesn't realise it's the same guy who killed his parents is just folly. He knows who killed his parents. That's a vital element to the Batman mythos.
But if anyone can prove that it was Burton's intent to make as though Bruce doesn't realise that Napier killed his parents . . . then thank you for proving how BAD B'89 was.

Thanks for proving that in order to say B89 is bad you have to make up flaws.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

Guys you really need to watch B'89 again!!!

Trust me, I don't. I've probably seen B89 more than anyone else here. I know it without even having to watch it.

The change in emotion in Bats' eye when holding Jack over the railing . . . it's there!!!

If you see one, that's fine. But that doesn't mean what you think it does. I know this for a fact.

Another point to notice is when Bruce is looking through Napier's police file there is an old photo of 'Young Jack' as seen in the childhood remembered scene! He passes over it as if he's seen it before.

Or, since it's obscured, he just doesn't notice it? People are human.... he's focusing on getting to the file info, he's not bothering with pictures, so he didn't really look at either of them. And since we know for a fact that he doesn't know until the apartment scene, it's a fact that he just doesn't notice it.

To say that Bruce doesn't realise it's the same guy who killed his parents is just folly. He knows who killed his parents. That's a vital element to the Batman mythos.

Yes, because Jack Naiper used to visit the Waynes all the time, so young Bruce knew Jack Naiper. They were childhood friends

I'd dearly love to know how you think Bruce would know who Jack Naiper was? Jack wasn't caught for the murder, so Bruce would never have the chance to find out. And who the hell is going to recognize somebody they only saw briefly when they're at least thirty years older?!? Are you telling me that if you only saw Young Jack Naiper once, for a minute and a half when you were eight, and then twenty plus years later, you see a forty year old plus Naiper, that you're going to recognize him right off the bat??

C'mon, man. Is that how things work in your fantasy world?

But if anyone can prove that it was Burton's intent to make as though Bruce doesn't realise that Napier killed his parents . . . then thank you for proving how BAD B'89 was.

Read the script. Read the novelization by Craig Shaw Gardner. Read the comic book adaptation. It is all in there. Wait, I've got the proof to end it once and for all.... THE panel from the comic adaptation....



There. Notice how he says "It was him!" I don't think he'd say that if he already knew, do you?

It's settled. And it's not different in the movie. Anybody who knows how film is assembled can tell that with the way the footage was put together. The film would only be in that order and Bruce would only act surprised (!) at the Joker's quote if it meant that he DIDN'T remember! And it's in the script, which is what the adaptations come from, and Burton filmed what was in the script. That settles it.

And let me say that if you think there's something wrong with that, if you think that ruins the movie, you obviously DON'T like the movie enough to give it a fair shake, in which case, your pretense to have liked the movie was false.

Add to that, that there's nothing wrong with that anyway. People don't automatically know everything. Saying there's something wrong with that is to say that you think Burton's stupid for not making Bruce clairvoyant enough to read Naiper's mind and find out that he was the killer. Research? Yeah, you try researching crooks from your supressed memories, when you can hardly remember their face and have no idea where to start looking in the criminal underworld. And aside from that, he didn't become Batman to avenge his parents' death, he became Batman to save Gotham, and find his parents' killer IF he could.

If you have a problem with that, you should have a problem with Bruce not already knowing that Ra's Al Guhl is technically responsible for killing Bruce's parents in BB. "How would he know?" you say. Exactly. How would he know?

 

[batbat_29640]

^ Thanks for the proof. But it just adds to plot holes and another vital part of the Batman mythos that Burton completely ignored.

 

[The Joker]

^ Thanks for the proof. But it just adds to plot holes and another vital part of the Batman mythos that Burton completely ignored.

It's not a plot hole.

 

[El Payaso]

^ Thanks for the proof. But it just adds to plot holes and another vital part of the Batman mythos that Burton completely ignored.

That's not a plothole.

 

[DocLathropBrown]

^ Thanks for the proof. But it just adds to plot holes and another vital part of the Batman mythos that Burton completely ignored.

Not a plot hole. Just because it's not constructed the way you want doesn't make it a plot hole. What kind of nonsense is that?

And if I remember correctly (Which I do), Bruce didn't know Joe Chill to be the murderer until years later. That's right. In the Kane material, Chill got away and Batman found him years later. He did recognize him, yes, but that's because Chill was older when he killed the Waynes that Naiper was in B89. He was closer to the way he looked when Batman found him and thus, more recognizable.

Even post-crisis for a time (this was just retconned, though), he didn't know the killer.

So your "plot hole" is something that Burton very much paid attention to in the mythos. Not to mention the fact that since Sam Hamm and Tim Burton wrote the script from the original Bob Kane material, it's more faithful to the comics than you'd believe.

So if you're going to give Burton a hard time for playing with the mythos, maybe you should take a look at my inaccuracies thread to see what Nolan changed as well. Let's be fair here.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

Hey SHADOWBAT69, don't you have a great B89 collection? Care to post pics?

I have afew more, but heres pics of my Nicholson mannequin and my 89 costume:

 

[The Shredder]

I have afew more, but heres pics of my Nicholson mannequin and my 89 costume:

Very cool.

 

[strikezone89]

I have afew more, but heres pics of my Nicholson mannequin and my 89 costume:

where did u get all this kool stuff?
how much did u pay for all of that.
probably a lot of money.
lol

 

[strikezone89]

So do I. The year leading up to the release was torture(remember no internet). We had to rely on bits and pieces of info from mag's such as Starlog and Comics Scene (the Wizard of the 80's).

i didnt see it cause i wasnt born yet.
a month later is when i came into the world.
i would of loved to see the 89 bm in the theatres.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I have afew more, but heres pics of my Nicholson mannequin and my 89 costume:

Very very cool! Do you ever put on your costumes?

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

Very very cool! Do you ever put on your costumes?

any chance I get

 

[DocLathropBrown]

any chance I get

Even the Catwoman one?!?

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

sshhhh

 

[CrimeMaster!]

I have fond memories of Tim Burton's Batman and the bat summer of 1989.

I was 10 and the it was my first really big movie event ,when I waiting in line there was two idiots dressed in Batman & Robin outfits passing out flyers for a costume shop.

After the showing I remember going to the comic store and buying the Death In the Family TPB and the Joker's joke book.

 

[CrimeMaster!]

I have afew more, but heres pics of my Nicholson mannequin and my 89 costume:

Seeing those pics,Im having flashbacks to that Full House episode where DJ and Steph are the Joker and Batman for Halloween and hugging each other,with Bob Saget remarking how the movie should have ended like that lol.

BTW,the Scarecrow mask looks really cool.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

haha. That episode was just on this past week too.

My wife loves that show for some reason. Good wholesome values.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

Just keepin' 89 alive!t:

 

[Two-Face]

Just keepin' 89 alive!t:

Very nice

Must have taken years to collect this stuff.

 

[ShaneHelms]

Just keepin' 89 alive!t:

Its like a museum for my childhood.

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

Very nice

Must have taken years to collect this stuff.

20 years of collecting. I had started collecting comics years before, whenever i could get someone to pick one up for me, but it wasnt until the summer of 89, when i was 16, that I started collecting toys and memorabilia.

Its also amazing of the stuff Im discovering even today that came out in 89. The merchandising was off the hook.

 

[The Joker]

That is one hell of a collection