Comics Todd McFarlane's amazing run on the Spider-Man comics.

stillanerd said:
That wouldn't surprise me. After all, he was getting a lot of name recognition back then, and fame has tendency to change people often for the worse, though not always.



No kidding. It's that kind of attidute that's ruining professional sports these days, especailly baseball and basketball.

See. I can understand wanting to get a little more bank if your name is the one selling the book...which wa part of it. Sure, it was Spider-man, but it wa Spider-Man plus Todd McFarlane! It could have been a story about Spider-man swinging around Manhattan, and, not only would it have sold, it would still be better than what we get from the 616 today. Also, Most of McFarlane's stories featured at least 6 splash pages of Spidey swinging around Manhattan....
 
deathshead2 said:
I know good art Mike Mignola to me has the best artwork in comics. Mignola>McFarlane


GAK!! How can you even say that? Mignola is one of the worst comic artists I've ever seen. I can't stand his drawing style. Mcfarlane blows Mignola out of the water.
 
Alpha Omega Red said:
GAK!! How can you even say that? Mignola is one of the worst comic artists I've ever seen. I can't stand his drawing style. Mcfarlane blows Mignola out of the water.

Mignola is nowhere near the caliber of artist as McFarlane, that's for sure.

Still, I think the worst comic penciller out there is Klaus Jansen. He's one of the coolest inkers on the planet, but his pencils make me want to heave every time I see them. I avoid buying anything he draws, simply because I've seen eighth graders with a better falir and style to their work. His pencls make me puke...but his inks make me cheer. It's a double-edges sword, I suppose.

You want to see examples of his crappy pencils, read "Batman/Spawn", and "Batman: Death and the Maidens".

No disrespect meant to Mr. Jansen.....I just cannot buy something he draws.
 
You guys like todd but not Mike. You guys must not know good art when it hits you but whatever.
 
deathshead2 said:
You guys like todd but not Mike. You guys must not know good art when it hits you but whatever.

I like MIke just fine...but he's nowhere near the caliber of artist that McFarlane was. Hellboy owns....but it's a book suited to Mignola's style....probbaly because he wrote it. Still, his style is a love it or hate it style, seeing as how it's not the most detailed, but it gets the message across. He has a very dark style, which works about 80% of the time...

Todd's style is just far more detailed and more appealing to my eyes.
 
No offence to Jansen but his Pencils make me wanna puke, heheh good one Shin.
 
Dangerous said:
No offence to Jansen but his Pencils make me wanna puke, heheh good one Shin.

I seriously respect the guy....I mean, he's been in the industry for like, thirty years. Still....a bad drawing is a bad drawing. Yeah, I know art's subjective, but DAMN!!
 
I remember when he did stuff on Superman in the early 90s the Doomsday arc more specifically, and maybe he was only inking but I thought it looked really good.
 
Dangerous said:
I remember when he did stuff on Superman in the early 90s the Doomsday arc more specifically, and maybe he was only inking but I thought it looked really good.

He was only inking, I assure you. I want to say he was inking for Action Comics, but I'm not sure.
 
Actually I take that back, I do have something that I must ask and alot to say.

So what most of you are basically trying to say is that y'all hate on Todd because he left drawing comics to helm his own toy company and other business ventures that hmmmm........you know generates him more money than he can ever dream of getting drawing comic books???????

Todd is one of my all-time favorite artist and I hated to see him leave the Spidey books then eventually even his own creation, Spawn, but if the man has a bigger plan in "his" life so be it. As talented as he was as an artist, drawing wasn't even his "true" passion. Some people are more talented at things than others but it doesn't neccessarily make them embrace their talent and automatically make them love what they were blessed with.

It's downright selfish thinking to hate a person because they are doing what they wanna do and not what YOU want them to do.

Just to throw out a lil' situation I wanna talk about the retired NFL running back Barry Sanders, easily one of the best (and exicting) all-time running backs ever. The man was in his prime and only one season away from breaking the ALL-TIME record for rushing yards, then guess what, he calls it quits and retires. As talented as he was and just as exicting to watch, many were sad, even dumbfounded that he would walk away from football even at the eve of breaking a major record. Was he ridiculed, NO, was his passion for the game in question, yeah. The bottom line is this, as talented as he was (and MANY people could only dream of having even half his talent) and whether or not he had a "true" passion for the game, if the man doesn't want to play football no more, so be it. Just respect the man's decision, he's doing what HE wants to do.

Todd is doing what Todd wants to do, just respect that. As much as I loved his art and would love to see him pencil again the man is doing bigger and better things for himself, how could I hate on that. AND HE IS MY FAVORITE SPIDEY ARTIST!!!!!!

Jim Lee, another of my all-time favorite artist, has built himself a nice lil' empire in the comic book industry but continues to draw even though he is in the position where he really doesn't have to. But the man said it himself, he loves to draw. He can make the same amount of money, if not more, if he didn't draw comics but continues because thats what he likes doing.

Todd thought outside the box and had bigger things in store. He didn't like how Marvel had him confined in a "system" and wanted to have more control of what he was doing. Alot of people confuse confidence for arrogance, you guys have to dig deeper to look at the true meaning of what was/is going on.

Some of you hate on "his" Spider-man series, saying that it was badly written. That MAY be but many of you that say that are failing to realize is that it was his FIRST venture into writing. Give the man a break, not only is he a rookie at writing but he is pulling DOUBLE duty drawing the book also. Everyone's a critic, they automatically think that since he's been in the industry and is one of the most talented artist that it's gonna translate into him being a good writer, sheesh give the man SOME credit, many couldn't do half of what he was doing.

Not only that, people were complaining that the stories were to dark, it's "Spider-man" not "Batman". There were 3, count'em THREEE, other Spidey books being published at the time, if Todd's Spidey wasn't your cup of tea then buy the "other" (hehe) Spidey books.

People hate on Todd and don't even really know why or have the lamest excuse to hate on him, everyone's a critic. The man is doin' something right, he's the most famous and most successful comic book artist ever. The man used to draw comics for crying out loud, and look what he's doing now.
 
I don't hate on the man he is my second fave ever Spidey artist, but what you need to understand is that he is a well known A-hole.

The ambition and drive he had/has is great for him, but I've heard stuff like if you ever see him at a signing or anything he never agrees even when asked to draw any characeter other than Spawn.

He never does Spider-man sketches for fans, don't you think thats the least he could do? Spidey put him on the map.
He also owes royaltys to Neil Gaiman (sp?) for creating the character of Angela, I think that chick w/ the wings on her back first app- Spawn#9.
 
Dangerous said:
He also owes royaltys to Neil Gaiman (sp?) for creating the character of Angela, I think that chick w/ the wings on her back first app- Spawn#9.

Not to mention that he's frucking Gaimen over on the rights to MiracleMan, which are rightfully Gaimen's, yet Todd thinks he owns a piece when he purchased Eclipse Comics a few years ago.

Todd's BS attitude towards the whole thing has left many MiracleMan fans waiting for issue #25 and for Gaimen to finish his story. :mad:

:(
 
Ultra-Spidey said:
People hate on Todd and don't even really know why or have the lamest excuse to hate on him, everyone's a critic. The man is doin' something right, he's the most famous and most successful comic book artist ever. The man used to draw comics for crying out loud, and look what he's doing now.

As I've mentioned before, while I always have enjoyed his rendition of Spider-Man (to a certain degree), his failure at background art and poor attempts to be able to properly tell a story makes him a slightly above mediocre artist at best. And his writing skills are simply poor... other than a small arc in Spawn (the numbering was in the ealry 20's), his writing was poor.

So while I don't particularly hate Todd, I really don't care about him. And as a fan of Moore & Gaimen's rendition of MarvelMan/MiracleMan, I am rather upset that Todd's kept Gaimen from completing what could be one of the best Super-Hero storylines ever told. And the fact that it's been over 10 years since MiracleMan #24, that's long enough for me to be upset with him.

:(
 
Themanofbat said:
As I've mentioned before, while I always have enjoyed his rendition of Spider-Man (to a certain degree), his failure at background art and poor attempts to be able to properly tell a story makes him a slightly above mediocre artist at best. And his writing skills are simply poor... other than a small arc in Spawn (the numbering was in the ealry 20's), his writing was poor.

So while I don't particularly hate Todd, I really don't care about him. And as a fan of Moore & Gaimen's rendition of MarvelMan/MiracleMan, I am rather upset that Todd's kept Gaimen from completing what could be one of the best Super-Hero storylines ever told. And the fact that it's been over 10 years since MiracleMan #24, that's long enough for me to be upset with him.

:(

I thought his work was pretty phenomenal back in the early nineties. Probably because it was so unlike anything I'd ever seen before. And his Spider-Man was a standout, though, in retrospect, it may have been that novelty factor that made McFarlane a star.

Not that he ever draws anything these days. Would that he had worked on his craft... maybe he'd have become another Kirby, another Moebius or Eisner. Either that or he'd have become another Liefeld, his style becoming more and more dated as the years went on.

And the above business practices (including stiffing someone like Gaiman - who has given more to comics than Todd's ever likely to - on royalties) hardly helps his case. At least Liefeld's reputed to be an alright bloke.
 
:spidey: I loved todd mcfalane's run on spider-man and amazing spider-man,also erik larsen run,but the best is bothh john romita jr and mark bagley(doing almost 100 issues on ultimate spider-man):spidey: :spidey: :spidey: :spidey:

:spidey:Spidey is greater than wolverine!!!!!!anyday!!!! :wolverine
 
shinlyle said:
Mignola is nowhere near the caliber of artist as McFarlane, that's for sure.

That's pretty damn funny.

Mignola's a damn good penciler, his work is just very stylized. And you know what? He still does it, he still draws, whereas McFarlane doesn't. I really don't think you can call someone an artist when they don't produce art anymore.

Furthermore, Mignola is an incredibly talented storyteller and writer as well. He writes an incredibly involving story, really good dialogue and manages to make long-lasting plotlines that don't lose a reader's interest.

In the terms of the art of making comics, Mike Mignola is LEAGUES ahead of McFarlane ever was. Todd, whether you like him or not, was all about flash over substance. Mike mixes the two perfectly. Todd could never reach the level Mike Mignola is at. Ever.
 
Cyclops said:
That's pretty damn funny.

Mignola's a damn good penciler, his work is just very stylized. And you know what? He still does it, he still draws, whereas McFarlane doesn't. I really don't think you can call someone an artist when they don't produce art anymore.

Furthermore, Mignola is an incredibly talented storyteller and writer as well. He writes an incredibly involving story, really good dialogue and manages to make long-lasting plotlines that don't lose a reader's interest.

In the terms of the art of making comics, Mike Mignola is LEAGUES ahead of McFarlane ever was. Todd, whether you like him or not, was all about flash over substance. Mike mixes the two perfectly. Todd could never reach the level Mike Mignola is at. Ever.
:up: See thats what i'm talking about.
 
As I've said....McFarlane's stories suck. No doubt. Ihave yet to read more than 3 or 4 GOOD SOLID stories from him.

Yeah Mignola has better stories, but his artwork is far behind McFarlane. Stylized or not.

And, if you'd read my previous posts, I mentioned that I can't stand McFarlane seeing as how he seems to be "too good to draw" lately.

Still....talents' talent, and as far as pencils go, McFarlane>Mignola.
 
Themanofbat said:
As I've mentioned before, while I always have enjoyed his rendition of Spider-Man (to a certain degree), his failure at background art and poor attempts to be able to properly tell a story makes him a slightly above mediocre artist at best. And his writing skills are simply poor... other than a small arc in Spawn (the numbering was in the ealry 20's), his writing was poor.
:(

Poor background art?
Can you elaborate I always thought his skyscrapers and water towers were great.
Do you mean other people apart from the main cast?, sure they were kinda freaky looking,
but so were PP and MJ.
As for his story telling skills through pencils, they were very dynamic especially the fights.
 
Janson > Mignola & MacFarlane

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:eek: :D
 
Damn if thats Jansen the anatomy is a little out, heh owch
 
AmaznSpider-Fan said:
Janson > Mignola & MacFarlane

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:eek: :D

Gah!! Look at those buildings in the background!! they look like they were done in crayon! Is Electro making it snow? Was this a Christmas special?:confused: ;)
 

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