Comics Todd McFarlane's amazing run on the Spider-Man comics.

[Cyclops]

As I've said....McFarlane's stories suck. No doubt. Ihave yet to read more than 3 or 4 GOOD SOLID stories from him.

Yeah Mignola has better stories, but his artwork is far behind McFarlane. Stylized or not.

And, if you'd read my previous posts, I mentioned that I can't stand McFarlane seeing as how he seems to be "too good to draw" lately.

Still....talents' talent, and as far as pencils go, McFarlane>Mignola.

I don't see how Mignola's behind McFarlane. I really don't. I've got alot of McFarlane's Spider-Man issues (couldn't get me to touch Spawn with a ten foot pole), and alot of Hellboy as well, and from what I've read, Todd just can't compare.

 

[Dangerous]

Ok I understand what you guys were talking about Jansen now.
The buildings are fine for me, but the figure are kinda.. wrong huh,

 

[Dangerous]

Kinda gives ya hope that you can do it eventually when you see real comic artists get the figure so wrong...

 

[shinlyle]

"Wow.....this almost makes Pat Lee's artwork look good...

 

[shinlyle]

I don't see how Mignola's behind McFarlane. I really don't. I've got alot of McFarlane's Spider-Man issues (couldn't get me to touch Spawn with a ten foot pole), and alot of Hellboy as well, and from what I've read, Todd just can't compare.

Pencil-wise, I just think McFarlane's better. As for storywise....well, let me put it to you this way: I have the first 60 or so issues of Spawn, and I still don't know who the f*** actually killed Al Simmons. I still don't know what the point of the book was supposed to be.

I've read alot of Hellboy, and there's an actual flow to the story. There's continuity, and there's some actual interesting characters....which is more than I can say for Spawn, who just broods in an alleyway 24/7 and occasionally kills people.

Storywise, Mignola's as far aheaf od McFarlane as possible....I just don't dig his artwork as much as I did McFarlane's.....you know, back when he actually drew something....

 

[Themanofbat]

Janson > Mignola & MacFarlane

I was a bit disappointed when this story came out because Klaus Janson had made quite a name for himself inking Frank Miller's art on his DareDevil run.

 

[Themanofbat]

Poor background art?
Can you elaborate I always thought his skyscrapers and water towers were great.
Do you mean other people apart from the main cast?, sure they were kinda freaky looking,
but so were PP and MJ.
As for his story telling skills through pencils, they were very dynamic especially the fights.

I remember a time between issues 310 & 320 when he drew the people in the story, but the background was simply filled with colour. I know that the bi-weekly schedule probably affected his ability to properly draw things, but it was also during the period when his ego started to get inflated.

 

[shinlyle]

I remember a time between issues 310 & 320 when he drew the people in the story, but the background was simply filled with colour. I know that the bi-weekly schedule probably affected his ability to properly draw things, but it was also during the period when his ego started to get inflated.

See...I understand an artist having a tiny bit of an ego...you need one in the industry of comics where each person has a different spin and style on things....but when his ego got to the point that he wanted his own book, got it, and then thought that wasn't enough....it got ridiculous. Marvel obviously wanted to keep him badly enough for him to have his own Spidey title...and that lasted for, what, 16 issues? And didn't Erik Larsen do number 15 for him? S***...16 issues is sad. Then again, Jim Lee did the same thing with X-Men...and Rob Liefeld with X-Force...

Okay, so they started up Image comics, which is the powerhouse of independant press right now, but how many of them still create on a regular basis? Todd doesn't draw or write, he just runs his empire. Jim Lee works for DC. Marc Silversti, Erik Larsen, and Jim Valentino are the only ones out of the Image "Founding Fathers" that still work on their own creations anymore. It's kind of sad.

It's almost like the rest just left to join the crowd, and went back later.

I can't even remember what the point of this rant was, now.....sorry, guys.

 

[Dangerous]

Hmm Ok TMOB, il have to go back and look at those issues, but like you said it was bi weekly then.

And atleaset we got Larsen on ASM Vol2 #20-21, that was cool.

 

[shinlyle]

Hmm Ok TMOB, il have to go back and look at those issues, but like you said it was bi weekly then.

And atleaset we got Larsen on ASM Vol2 #20-21, that was cool.

His artwork had slipped a little, but seeing Erik back on ASm was awesome. The big, round-eyed Spidey....the kinetic action scenes....and no John Nyrne to be found anywhere....it was great.

 

[Dangerous]

Dunno if I would say it had slipped, more just evolved, become a bit more relaxed and organic instead of it being all tight lines.

Too bad he did'nt stay a few more issues, by #23 Venom returned and Larsen did my second ever fav Venom.

 

[shinlyle]

Dunno if I would say it had slipped, more just evolved, become a bit more relaxed and organic instead of it being all tight lines.

Too bad he did'nt stay a few more issues, by #23 Venom returned and Larsen did my second ever fav Venom.

My favorite Erik larsen artwork ever was in Amazing Spider-man #350. Damn...that was an awesome issue!

 

[Cyclops]

Pencil-wise, I just think McFarlane's better. As for storywise....well, let me put it to you this way: I have the first 60 or so issues of Spawn, and I still don't know who the f*** actually killed Al Simmons. I still don't know what the point of the book was supposed to be.

I've read alot of Hellboy, and there's an actual flow to the story. There's continuity, and there's some actual interesting characters....which is more than I can say for Spawn, who just broods in an alleyway 24/7 and occasionally kills people.

Storywise, Mignola's as far aheaf od McFarlane as possible....I just don't dig his artwork as much as I did McFarlane's.....you know, back when he actually drew something....

See, the way I see it, writing a comicbook is as important to comicbook artistry as drawing it is. The best comicbook creators can do both very well, both distinctively draw artwork and craft great stories.

In that respect, even if you don't think Mignola's as good a penciler as Todd McFarlane, you'd have to realize that he's a better overal comicbook artist.

 

[shinlyle]

See, the way I see it, writing a comicbook is as important to comicbook artistry as drawing it is. The best comicbook creators can do both very well, both distinctively draw artwork and craft great stories.

In that respect, even if you don't think Mignola's as good a penciler as Todd McFarlane, you'd have to realize that he's a better overal comicbook artist.

Well, in that respect, Todd McFarlane's barely an artist at all, seeing as how his stories can be as bad as his artwork is good.

Overall, Mignola's a better professional, but he's just not as good a penciller.

 

[Themanofbat]

Overall, Mignola's a better professional, but he's just not as good a penciller.

I'd agree with that.

While I was never a fan of Mignolia's early Marvel art work, I hear he's a lot more smooth now with Hellboy. And I've heard nothing but great stuff about Hellboy (storywise).

 

[shinlyle]

I'd agree with that.

While I was never a fan of Mignolia's early Marvel art work, I hear he's a lot more smooth now with Hellboy. And I've heard nothing but great stuff about Hellboy (storywise).

Oh yeah...Hellboy rocks hard! His artwork is still very individual and distinct, but I think his writing on this book plays to his strengths....lots of darks, and a lot of odd creatures really make his artwork shine through in this book.

 

[deathshead2]

Hellboy is great Mignola is a great story teller even though im still angry that he wont be drawing hellboy darkness calls which is ok sense the new artiest on it looks good.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

[*]A return of the classic red and blue costume in the issue Venom first appeared.[/LIST]I really enjoyed McFarlane's vision of Spider-Man and made Spider-Man a favorite superhero of mine again.

Fair point, but it's well known that the classic costume would have returned whoever pencilled the book.

 

[Bullseye]

Eventually, yes, the classic costume would returned. But, it returned at the time of a promising new villain and all the buzz of the symbiote costume.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

You want to see bad covers? Check out some of the Spectacular covers in the 70's.

 

[Cyclops]

What's so bad about that? It's kinda like a Steranko Nick Fury cover.

 

[Bullseye]

Steranko cover's are much better than that cover.

 

[Cyclops]

Well, in that respect, Todd McFarlane's barely an artist at all, seeing as how his stories can be as bad as his artwork is good.

Overall, Mignola's a better professional, but he's just not as good a penciller.

He is barely an artist. I've personally never liked his art style, and he was one of those big proponents of the "Penciling is EVERYTHING for a comic - you don't need a well-written story when you can draw" philosophy that Image was founded upon.

Which is a spit in the face to all those comicbook artists who work hard to craft their stories, and yes I include writers in that number.

 

[shinlyle]

You want to see bad covers? Check out some of the Spectacular covers in the 70's.

"What if Liberache did a Spider-Man cover?"

 

[Themanofbat]

You want to see bad covers? Check out some of the Spectacular covers in the 70's.

That came out in 1982...