The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[Herolee10]

I just pray that Wells's motivation, from the beginning, isn't because he wanted to avenge/save his dead lover.....after getting that with Slade and Malcolm, I'm really ready to move past that stage.lol

 

[vantheman77]

I was hoping he would be revealed as Hunter Solomon and not Eobard Thawne aka Professor Zoom.

 

[Cain]

I was glad to see that my initial hunch of him being Eobatd Thawne stranded in the past was on thw money. However it was genuinely shocking that he was trying to kill Barry and not Nora. What a twist for us comic book fans.

 

[Nathan]

I was pulling for Hunter Zolomon as well. But I guess they mixed the two characters. Either that or they are just making Thawne a more layered character, since in the comics he is a bit more of a psycho and sociopath, and only cares about hurting Barry in the worst way possible.

 

[Cybermaxis]

I think they will at least make him a sympathetic villain. Despite what he did, he still struggled with killing Cisco and in his twisted mind, he justified it by by Cisco being dead in his timeline anyway.

That was an absolutely brilliant scene between the two of them. It was like Joe/Barry but with a darker and sadder twist.

 

[chamber-music]

I'm glad that they were more comic accurate and made him Eobard. The ramifications of who Reverse Flash is will be great.

The showrunner said there is going to be an interesting interaction and storyline in the upcoming episodes between Eddie and Eobard/Wells.

I can see Eobard/Wells manipulating his ancestor into becoming the villain Colbalt Blue. The same way Wells shaped Barry into a hero he could shape Eddie into a villain.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Interesting that he wanted to kill Barry. Did he originally kill him then got stuck, and went back again to not kill him? I'm kind of confused about that part.

Also do we reckon they are going to mention Eobard having surgery to look like Barry, I mean I can kind of see the similarities. I guess we don't even know if Eobard was originally a fan.

 

[chamber-music]

I guess Eobard tried to kill young Barry but older Barry stopped him. Eobard killed Nora for some reason. Eobard gets stuck in the past with only weak limited access to the speed force so he can't get back to his own time.

Eobard makes sure Barry becomes the Flash so that he can steal his speed force energy from him. I guess Eobard plans to either travel back in time to successfully kill young Barry or just go back home to the future.

 

[Xaviesta]

But what happens with older Barry? Wells is stuck, ok, but Barry saves his younger and disappears..where?

 

[Xaviesta]

And where are Reverse Flash's powers from?

 

[Cain]

But what happens with older Barry? Wells is stuck, ok, but Barry saves his younger and disappears..where?

Older Barry disappears during Crisis. That's where the headline on the paper in the pilot comes from.

 

[Cain]

And where are Reverse Flash's powers from?

In the comic books Eobard Thawne has a negative speed force that grants him his powers. Which was created by him siphoning energy from the speed force.

Contextually with the show it seems like I had assumed many months ago that this is why he needs Barry to tap into the speed force once again so that he could regain access to the negative speed force by recreating it.

 

[Xaviesta]

Older Barry disappears during Crisis. That's where the headline on the paper in the pilot comes from.

Yeah, but shouldnt he be stuck with Wells in the past?

 

[FeedOnATreeFrog]

But what happens with older Barry? Wells is stuck, ok, but Barry saves his younger and disappears..where?

Maybe Wells killed him in the battle.

We're not supposed to know yet.

 

[Hazexander]

But what happens with older Barry? Wells is stuck, ok, but Barry saves his younger and disappears..where?

That's a good question. Since we know Barry does travel back to the night his mom was killed to try and stop RF which he dosent but he does save his younger self and the young flash is the one that grows up and gets mentored by wells/ RF then where did the older Barry that traveled back go or what happened to him??

 

[Hazexander]

Maybe Wells killed him in the battle.

We're not supposed to know yet.

I just seen your post I was thinking that as I was writing my post too maybe he's able to save his young self but RF kills the older barry

 

[Cain]

Yeah, but shouldnt he be stuck with Wells in the past?

The assumption is that he managed to make it back into his timeline after saving himself. Unlike Thawne he didn't "run out of juice".

 

[dru-zod2501]

When RF first fought Barry, he said it was Nora's "destiny to die that night." But Wells said he didn't mean to kill her, so which one is it? Was he supposed to kill Nora or not?

 

[Xaviesta]

No, Gideon says there are no changes and the Flash is still vanished. So he is not back to his timeline. Another explination would be, when RF killed Nora, Barry stopped existing. Dont know

When Cisco analized the blood, there appeared Barry's but not Wells'. Weard.

 

[Cain]

No when there were actual changes to the headline he panicked. When it went back and there were no changes he was honky dory. Obviously that implies that his original timeline is the one where Barry is gone after Crisis.

 

[CommanderConnor]

Older Barry knows that Younger Thawne will go back in time to kill Barry when is a young boy to prevent him becoming the Flash in the future.

Younger Thawne goes back in time to that night in 2000. Older Barry arrives to stop him and older Barry saves young Barry by speeding him away. To spite him Younger Thawne kills Barry's mother by stabbing her in the chest. I would presume he then kills older Barry but in doing so reduces the positive Speed Force that older Barry was carrying with him so was then stuck because he couldn't absorb enough of the Speed Force to return home rendering him stuck in the 21st century.

He will now live as "Harrison Wells" until Barry is fast enough to generate enough Speed Force so he can absorb it and return to his time in the 25th Century. To ensure this, "Harrison Wells" will make sure that the Particle Accelerator happens and everything that he knows from history will be as correct for the end game so that Older Thawne can return home...

But obviously history can/will change

 

[Rowsdower!]

I'm thinking this is Thawne's mindset here...

Far in the future, Thawne, much like his comic book counterpart, is captivated by stories of the Flash and begins building a suit that can replicate his power. He eventually creates one and becomes the Flash of his own time, but much like Barry in this last episode, at some point, he goes so fast that he travels back in time. Thawne attempts to return to the correct time by going faster and faster, but he realizes that he can only go back in time and not forward. This has been a common theme in certain time travel stories; you can't go forward in time because the future hasn't been made yet; you can only go backward (Timecop, Quantum Leap).

Eventually, he finds himself in the year 2000 and attempts to kill young Barry Allen, theorizing that by doing so, the Flash will never have existed and thus he will have never gone back in time. The plan backfires though as adult Barry arrives and fights Thawne, which results in Barry's mother getting accidentally killed.

From there, Thawne realizes that he has inadvertently put into motion the events that would create the Flash. He therefore begins work on the particle accelerator to complete the creation so that he can perhaps siphon power off of Barry somehow and find a way back to his own time.

 

[TeeKay]

Can somebody explain to me the whole hologram and Wells duplicating himself part. I didn't really understand what or how he did it when he was talking to Cisco before killing him.

 

[Broseph44]

Can somebody explain to me the whole hologram and Wells duplicating himself part. I didn't really understand what or how he did it when he was talking to Cisco before killing him.

There's nothing to explain, if you pay attention wells explains it to Cisco.

 

[DrStrange]

I don't think Thawne would have trouble going into the future. That's never been a problem in the comics.
Eobard Thawne was basically just going back and forth in time when he first started out. First going back to make sure his brother was never born so that he's have more time to study and work at the Flash museum. He constantly went back in time to fix his problems.
Basically, he finds the treadmill and tried to go back to Barry's time to meet him since he's obsessed. Since the treadmill hadn't been used in a long time it sent him to Wally West' time. For a while he tried to act like he's Barry Allen and even teams up with Wally. Eventually, Thawne finds out that he's destined to become the Reverse Flash and be Barry's arch-nemesis. This is where Thawne really starts to go crazy. Wally finds out who he is and defeats him. Now as RF he goes back to Barry's time to try and kill him. I'm guessing in his rage that older Barry shows up he accidentally killls his mother. Not without a tiny bit of remorse.

Now in the comics the Speedforce is created by Barry Allen. Basically every step he takes charges the speedforce that all other speedsters feed off of. Thawne recreated what happened to Barry and thus made the Negative Speedforce. But with out Barry and a new timeline the speedforce was diminished leaving Thawne back in time.

I'd say RF does want to truly go back to his own time but the speedforce hasn't been charge/developed enough by Barry. Hence, why he needs to keep him safe so that he can keep running.

I think, once the speedforce is charged up enough he should be able to become Barry/Kill Barry/return to his own time