The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[Cain]

Yeah that seems pretty plausible.

 

[Batmannerism]

I'm going to post POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR FUTURE EPISODES (and I include huge spoilers from a scene that was shown in a couple of promos for the next episodes, along spoilers for a couple of other shows, I've covered all those spoilers with "blackout" tags, but I'm warning you all just in case). Most of it is just me theorizing about what I believe that will be the future of Eddie, but if I'm right, these could be the biggest spoilers regarding this character.























Ready?













Eobard is going to kill Eddie and will replace him using the shapeshifting device.

If you have seen the promos for this season's last episodes you must have seen the scene where [BLACKOUT]Eddie kills 2 cops in cold blood. Some people thought that he could be under Grodd's mind control, or that he could have been working with Wells all along, but now I'm sure that Eobard is going to kill him and replace him.[/BLACKOUT]

When Eddie was casted for the show, I thought he was going to be the Reverse Flash, the actor had recently played villains in other CW's shows like "The Vampire Diaries", and with that last name, Thawne, I was sure that he would be The Flash's nemesis. Then I watched the pilot and I thought that Eddie could still be the RF and Wells would be someone else. I thought Eddie was pretending to be a nice guy and dated Iris just to piss Barry off, knowing she would be his future wife.

Then I read the script for "The Flash" movie that was written by the same people who run this show, and I could see all the similarities and how the RF pretended to be a mentor figure for Barry exactly like Wells, and how Iris was engaged to a nice guy that was unrelated to the RF. Then I was convinced that Wells was the RF, but I was still wondering why Eddie was a Thawne instead of some random guy like in the movie script. The actor playing Eddie commented that we would be surprised in future episodes, and Grant Gustin said that there was a plot twist that nobody has seen coming just yet.

Then it was revealed in the last episode that Eobard is using a shapeshifter device from the future to take the identities of other people like Harrison Wells. It always bugged me how Cavanagh looked nothing like the guy playing Eddie, but the actor playing the "real" Eobard does look exactly like a "distant relative" of Eddie, and it fits the RF's mythology from the comics where he changed his face with plastic surgery, I had previously thought that maybe Eobard had plastic surgery to look like Wells, but the shapeshifting device from the future is a better idea, and it also explains why the blood samples in Barry's house didn't match Wells'.

In shows like "Fringe" and "Alias" (both from JJ Abrams) could be seen similar plots where certain villains could completely change their bodies to become clones of other people, in "Alias" there was a genetical therapy that could change all the cells of a person to become a clone of someone else, and that was used by a villain to [BLACKOUT]kill one of the protagonist's friends and replace her, and no one could notice it since she was an exact genetical copy of the girl she had murdered and replaced[/BLACKOUT], and in "Fringe" there were a group of villains that were shapeshifters from a parallel universe/timeline that could change their aspect to become clones of other people by using a device that was pretty similar to the device used by Eobard in "The Flash", and one of those shapeshifters [BLACKOUT]killed one of the protagonist's friends and replaced him[/BLACKOUT], the writers just repeated the same plotline that they previosuly used in "Alias".

When I saw Eobard's shapeshifting device, I immediately remembered the shapeshifting device from "Fringe" and how in those two Abrams' shows the villains [BLACKOUT]killed a friend of the protagonist to replace them[/BLACKOUT]. Then I also remembered the scene from the promo where [BLACKOUT]Eddie kills the 2 cops[/BLACKOUT] and came to the conclusion that once Barry tells Wells that he knows that he is the RF (there are pics from next episodes where [BLACKOUT]Barry, Oliver and Firestorm are facing an unmasked RF[/BLACKOUT]), Eobard will probably be defeated and will escape somehow, and he will use the shapeshifting device to "hide in plain sight" again (nobody else knows that he has that shpaeshifting device from the future).

And since he knows that Iris is the woman that Barry loves, I'm sure that he will kill Eddie and will replace him, becoming this way his own "distant relative", which makes sense since all the cells in his body change to become exactly like Eddie's, so once he has descendants (not with Iris, obviously), they will be Eddie's descendants from a genetical point of view, there is no paradox that makes impossible that he is his own "distant relative" since we know that the shapeshifter device copies all the cells from other people to turn Eobard into a clone of whoever he wants to replace (like in the other shows I mentioned), that's why when he changed to become Wells, the blood samples in Barry's house didn't match with Wells' blood even if they both are Eobard, now he has Wells' blood that is not the same blood that could be found in Barry's house because that is blood from his original body, and once Eoabard becomes Eddie he will be a genetically perfect clone of Eddie, so Eddie will still be his "distant relative".

The shapeshifting device will probably be destroyed somehow and Eobard will always look like Eddie from that moment on and will keep that identity, he will eventually have children using Eddie's body (not with Iris, I repeat, but with someone else, don't know who), and this will explain why the Thawnes will hate the Allens in the future. Some people thought that it would be because Iris would leave Eddie to be with Barry, but Eddie has proven to be such a nice guy that it would be impossible that he hated Iris or Barry just for loving each other, he could be angry and could punch Barry like he did, but he couldn't become a villain, much less start to [BLACKOUT]kill cops in cold blood[/BLACKOUT] and become Barry's enemy.

Eobard will kill him and replace him, and once Iris learns what happened, she will obviously be sorry for the real Eddie that died, but will have the chance to be with Barry without looking like a b*** for leaving poor good Eddie.

That's great ! I loved Fringe, and the creepy shapeshifters. Your theory sounds very plausible indeed - not sure if it will work out that way, but if it did that would make sense. It would tie up a bunch of loose ends very neatly. Bravo !

 

[The Caped Knight]

Flash vs. Reverse Flash (15 years ago)


Harrison Wells Flashback


Eobard kills Wells

 

[The_Yellow_King]

I've just read the thread for this last episode and I've seen that someone else thought the same thing:

The flashbacks with Wells and Eobard were interesting, the gimmick Eobard used to steal Wells body was very similar toi the one in Fringe that was used for body-snatching.

I am now thinking this body switcheroo gimmick is how Eddie's sudden heel turn comes about, once the Wells identity is exposed he's going to need a new body to use that will still keep him close to Barry. Of course that might prove tricky given they are relatives.....

As for the Trickster's story, I absolutely loved it, just classic comic book goodness and Hamill left no piece of scenery unchewed lol, plus he got a neat little ESB homage in. The whole tone of it reminded me of a STAS episode.

He even mentioned the similarities with Fringe's device, I've seen how several others mentioned the Fringe device in the same thread, but this guy also talked about the possibilty of Eobard replacing Eddie, I guess that great minds think alike. XD

 

[Syncer]

I've just read the thread for this last episode and I've seen that someone else thought the same thing:


He even mentioned the similarities with Fringe's device, I've seen how several others mentioned the Fringe device in the same thread, but this guy also talked about the possibilty of Eobard replacing Eddie, I guess that great minds think alike. XD

Only thing is Eddie killing the cops is from Episode 21 and the showdown is from Episode 22.

 

[The_Yellow_King]

Only thing is Eddie killing the cops is from Episode 21 and the showdown is from Episode 22.

How do you know? Not saying it's not true, just asking, I obviously didn't know that, and I would like to read more info about it.

If that's true, well, then I guess I could be wrong and I wrote such a long message for nothing. XD

Or maybe Eobard will replace Eddie in the future anyway and that scene with Eddie killing the cops has a different explanation, I don't know, but I thought about all of this after watching this last episode and remembering that scene, you've just burst my bubble. XD

 

[The Infernal]

I dunno. I think Eobard replacing Eddie and becoming his own ancestor just messes things up way too much. Just seems overly convoluted and I don't think they'd risk losing Cavanaugh as Wells/Zoom.

 

[Slade W]

I dunno. I think Eobard replacing Eddie and becoming his own ancestor just messes things up way too much. Just seems overly convoluted and I don't think they'd risk losing Cavanaugh as Wells/Zoom.

I hope you are right.

 

[Batmannerism]

As someone who loves spoilers THANK YOU FOR POSTING THIS ! (we won't get this episode until later tonight). Man, this show just hits all new levels of awesome -I would say it's the best superhero show to date ! The gradual reveal re Wells/Thawne/RF has been masterful - they give us just enough each time to keep us coming back.

Sure, some of the Barry-Iris stuff is a bit painful, but the RF subplot has been fantastic.

On another note, why introduce the appearance-changing device (or shape-shifting machine) without intending it to pop up again.

I think The Yellow King is on to something, as it would clearly explain the Eddie shooting cops clip ( and we've established that the real Eddie is a decent guy). Thawne has already messed up the timeline by causing the particle accelerator accident to happen in 2015, rather than 2020, so why not have him become his own ancestor ?

I realise others find that weird, but I'm just sayin' that I'm totally okay with it if it plays out that way - and good on the writers !

Flash vs. Reverse Flash (15 years ago)


Harrison Wells Flashback


Eobard kills Wells

 

[The Infernal]

I don't see the inclusion of the changeling device requiring a reappearance. They could easily use it again if they like, but it served its purpose in the episode. There's nothing shown so far that suggests it's needed again.

As for Eddie. I don't think we know everything about him. I don't think the show has really focused on him yet outside of being Joe's partner and Iris' boyfriend. Part of me thinks there could be a twist to his character we don't know of yet. On the other hand we don't know the context to the clip of him shooting those two cops.

 

[Headliner]

I dunno. I think Eobard replacing Eddie and becoming his own ancestor just messes things up way too much. Just seems overly convoluted and I don't think they'd risk losing Cavanaugh as Wells/Zoom.

Agreed. Eddie is going to turn out to be Malcolm Thawne/Cobalt Blue.

Either his middle name is Malcolm or his first name is Malcolm and his middle name is Eddie.

 

[Neno_Kos]

I don't see the inclusion of the changeling device requiring a reappearance. They could easily use it again if they like, but it served its purpose in the episode. There's nothing shown so far that suggests it's needed again.

As for Eddie. I don't think we know everything about him. I don't think the show has really focused on him yet outside of being Joe's partner and Iris' boyfriend. Part of me thinks there could be a twist to his character we don't know of yet. On the other hand we don't know the context to the clip of him shooting those two cops.

I think Eddie will eventually become new Reverse Flash. It will happen sooner or later. I could see reasons for it.

1. Eddie will eventually know about everything. Even about that Harrison Wells is Eobard Thawne (maybe Eobard tell him himself). His distant relative. And explain him why he saved Eddie when they tried to "trap Man in Yellow".

2. Eddie knows Iris has thing for The Flash. And Eddie now knows Barry is The Flash. And Eddie is already not OK with Barry and Iris relationship. If Iris
realize the truth which I can see as "big event", they already going in that direction "saving it for later with whole she must not know". I can see Iris leaving Eddie in season 2.

This will change a lot of things and dynamic. And I can see Eddie holding grudge on Barry for stealing everything he had. How he gets powers of Flash, I dont know.

Given that The Flash will eventually beat current Reverse-Flash (Eobard Thawne). There will be new RF later in seasons.

 

[The Infernal]

Agreed. Eddie is going to turn out to be Malcolm Thawne/Cobalt Blue.

Either his middle name is Malcolm or his first name is Malcolm and his middle name is Eddie.

I'm not so sure we'll be seeing him called Malcolm, even if they do go down the Cobalt Blue road. The show runners could just be avoiding that name because of Malcolm Merlyn.

Given that The Flash will eventually beat current Reverse-Flash (Eobard Thawne). There will be new RF later in seasons.

That's only if RF is killed or somehow permanently taken out of the equation. Plus even then Barry is still bound to run into RF pre-killing Dr. Well. While the beginning of Barry's career is when he first encounters RF, it will be later in his career where RF encounters the Flash for the first time. Even if they did off Wells/RF there would still be the Pre-Wells/RF waiting to appear.

 

[DoomGuy91]

I dunno. I think Eobard replacing Eddie and becoming his own ancestor just messes things up way too much. Just seems overly convoluted and I don't think they'd risk losing Cavanaugh as Wells/Zoom.

I don't think changes in the timeline, affect Eobard. Just like how when he murdered the original Harrison and his wife, he still remembers their history in the original timeline.

This Eddie exists in an alternate timeline, and is not exactly the same Eddie that exists in the past of Eobard's world (since Thawne is from the original reality).

Therefore if Eobard does kill the Eddie in the show, and replace him, that would not erase Eobard out of existence.

 

[phillyboy]

If Eobard took over Eddie's body his kids would be seriously messed up. Imagine finding out your dad was your great great great great great great grandson

 

[The Infernal]

I don't think changes in the timeline, affect Eobard. Just like how when he murdered the original Harrison and his wife, he still remembers their history in the original timeline.

This Eddie exists in an alternate timeline, and is not exactly the same Eddie that exists in the past of Eobard's world (since Thawne is from the original reality).

Therefore if Eobard does kill the Eddie in the show, and replace him, that would not erase Eobard out of existence.

I didn't say it would. If the device changes his dna to that of the victim's then the family tree would technically still carry on. I'm just saying it sounds like a silly idea.

 

[The_Yellow_King]

The description for the 19th episode explains the scene where Eddie shoots the cops and it's not what I thought.

But it was an acceptable fanfic read, right?

 

[Infinity9999x]

I don't think changes in the timeline, affect Eobard. Just like how when he murdered the original Harrison and his wife, he still remembers their history in the original timeline.

This Eddie exists in an alternate timeline, and is not exactly the same Eddie that exists in the past of Eobard's world (since Thawne is from the original reality).

Therefore if Eobard does kill the Eddie in the show, and replace him, that would not erase Eobard out of existence.

That's highly debatable. It really comes down to how the show is using time travel. At the moment, they seem to be going back and forth between alternate timelines existing (The actor playing Cisco has already said they will revisit the timeline where Cisco is dead), and the classic "If you change something in the past, it will effect the future." (When Barry lost his powers and it affected Thawne's future).

Yeah, killing Wells was a drastic change to the past, but killing his own RELATIVE would be a HUGE risk, and I really can't see how it wouldn't wipe him out of existence. It just doesn't make sense. He's his ancestor for Pete's sake, so unless he's not really a direct descendant, (It's no big deal, Eddie is just my great, great, great, great, great grandpas third cousin twice removed kind of thing) killing Eddie has got to be off the table for Wells.

 

[Hazexander]

I think we'll see that Eobard will be the flashs biggest fan and will want to be like him but somehow turns to hate him like in the comics ⚡⚡⚡

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think we'll see that Eobard will be the flashs biggest fan and will want to be like him but somehow turns to hate him like in the comics ⚡⚡⚡

Maybe...but the crazy superfan angle just doesn't seem to mesh up at all with how Thawne has been portrayed by Cavanagh thus far.

 

[martin2310]

The description for the 19th episode explains the scene where Eddie shoots the cops and it's not what I thought.

But it was an acceptable fanfic read, right?

and where is this description?

 

[foxxer]

What's been bugging me a bit is the fact that the writers did kind of a half-ass-job about the whole "after-image"-effect in 1x09.
You can clearly see Wells reacting towards RFs actions after the force field dropped whereas when Wells was showing Cicsco how he did it, the after image was virtually frozen.

Also, during the whole fight with Barry outside as RF, Wells was inside with Joe and Eddie - considering Joe was bashing the machine in order for him to save Wells from RF, he surely wouldnt just turn a blind eye on the beaten down and bleeding Wells on the floor, so there should have been an interaction.

I sincerely hope they add something to the whole "speed mirage" explaination cause as it stands, it leaves a bitter taste behind that could have been easily avoidable.

 

[Golgo-13]

I assume at some point our Barry will learn that RF goes back in time to kill him and not his mother because in the fight from last ep, as soon as Flash saves his younger self, he leaves and doesn't even go back into the house to see if his mom is o.k….

 

[Dark Raven]

That was sad what happened to the real Wells. I thought at first that maybe Thawne had merged with him like Firestorm and here he was the dominant personalty, so it had me thinking that they could be separated and that would be a way for Cavanagh to still play as the real Wells if RF were defeated.

What happened to the real Wells' body?

 

[Golgo-13]

That was sad what happened to the real Wells. I thought at first that maybe Thawne had merged with him like Firestorm and here he was the dominant personalty, so it had me thinking that they could be separated and that would be a way for Cavanagh to still play as the real Wells if RF were defeated.

What happened to the real Wells' body?

That's what i was wondering too. Since you could hear the police arriving right as he completed the transformation, i assume he dumps the body over the bridge and then returns later to properly dispose of it.