The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[Lilbaz]

Anyone notice that the newspaper from the future. The main headline was that the US Mail service closed. If thats the biggest headline and the most the world has to worry about in 2025 what the hell is Barry going to all the effort for? If he does nothing, the world wont end everything will go on pretty normal. In fact Wayne Industries and Queen Tech wont merge which is better (mergers are bad usually).

P.S. What does the article red skies threaten refer to? Not a big DC reader so have no idea.

 

[The Shape]

I still think Wells is a variant of Abrakadabra, yes. He doesn't really strike me as obsessive in the same way as the Zolomon Zoom, nor mustache-twirling in the manner of the Thawne Zoom.

He strikes me as both of those things, actually.

 

[chamber-music]

Wells could be a now powerless Reverse Flash or Zoom who needs Barry to reach peak level so he can siphon off the speed force from him.

Wells could of travelled back in time and when he did he lost much of his speed so can't get back to the future.

 

[DeadPresident]

Anyone notice that the newspaper from the future. The main headline was that the US Mail service closed. If thats the biggest headline and the most the world has to worry about in 2025 what the hell is Barry going to all the effort for? If he does nothing, the world wont end everything will go on pretty normal. In fact Wayne Industries and Queen Tech wont merge which is better (mergers are bad usually).

P.S. What does the article red skies threaten refer to? Not a big DC reader so have no idea.

I doubt a single front page can tell us what we need to know about the state of the world in 2025.

Not sure what the red skies thing could mean. But T.O Morrow is responsible for the creation of a bunch of super humans whose names start with "Red".

 

[batmanao23]

Personal Theory:

Wells traveled back in time to create hell for Barry Allen. But somewhere along the way he got amnesia, and the only memory he had was that he was a person named Dr. Harrison Wells (reference to HG Wells, author of the Time Machine) and he lost his speed. He also remembered something about the Particle Accelerator and thought that he was supposed to create it. On the night the Accelerator exploded, Wells “lost” the ability to walk, but his memory of his past returned and he’s been trying to regain his speed back ever since. That is probably why he took Farooq’s blood as he’ll probably try to reverse (no pun intended) his ability of him taking away Barry’s powers, to giving them.

 

[mocomic]

Shouldn't Barry be able to vibrate and see yellow Flash's features ?

 

[Mikelus]

He strikes me as both of those things, actually.

Indeed, he's ultra-obsessed with Barry and a master mind manipulator, funny someone would say the opposite.

On the RF theories, Gustin said this:

“I didn’t even remotely see coming what Andrew Kreisberg told me is going to be one of the turning points with that storyline,” Gustin says. “I’ve heard so many theories surrounding Reverse Flash that are all interesting. I was like, ‘Oh, I know what’s going on,’ but literally no one knows what’s going on. Anyone who thinks they know what’s going on is wrong. I’m in the in and I thought I knew, but Andrew told me and I was like, ‘Holy crap.'”

“I like to think that we’ve done a good job on both shows of meeting fans’ expectations and subverting them,” Kreisberg says. “The show has to appeal to everybody. It can’t just appeal to comic fans and it can’t ignore them either. We’re always treading this fine line of trying to bring something new, honoring what’s always been done and turning it into this brand new thing.”
http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/11/25/f.../?hootPostID=69fd9ca561d4346cee1d10d576884168

If Gustin is not bluffing, then is not Wells or present Eddie. A new character then? A Thawne, Allen from the future?

 

[DeadPresident]

Is there any precedent for a different version of Barry Allen meeting himself?

 

[Boy Scout]

Yep. The most recent is happening right now in his own book.

 

[DeadPresident]

Ah ok. Are you referring to a comic book arc? I'm not sure I can understand the reasoning quite yet, but after seeing episode 6 I started wondering if the RF isn't a different version of Barry. The snag is I can't understand why another version of Barry would murder his mother.

Maybe what Gustin said was just to deflect. But if it isn't Thawne (Eddie or otherwise) or Wells one of my next guesses would be a different time-line/universe's Barry.

 

[The Shape]

Wells could be a now powerless Reverse Flash or Zoom who needs Barry to reach peak level so he can siphon off the speed force from him.

Wells could of travelled back in time and when he did he lost much of his speed so can't get back to the future.

Sounds about right.

Personal Theory:

Wells traveled back in time to create hell for Barry Allen. But somewhere along the way he got amnesia, and the only memory he had was that he was a person named Dr. Harrison Wells (reference to HG Wells, author of the Time Machine) and he lost his speed. He also remembered something about the Particle Accelerator and thought that he was supposed to create it. On the night the Accelerator exploded, Wells “lost” the ability to walk, but his memory of his past returned and he’s been trying to regain his speed back ever since. That is probably why he took Farooq’s blood as he’ll probably try to reverse (no pun intended) his ability of him taking away Barry’s powers, to giving them.

Don't think so. Also, we saw Wells walk in Episode 1 and several times since.

 

[The Shape]

P.S. What does the article red skies threaten refer to? Not a big DC reader so have no idea.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths

 

[Rowsdower!]

Okay, new theory, based off Gustin's comments.

The Reverse Flash is Barry AND Eobard Thawne.

In the "Return of Barry Allen" storyline, Thawne has reconstructive surgery to look exactly like Barry Allen. He then travels back in time and loses his mind, eventually convincing himself that he is Barry Allen.

I think that when we finally do see the Reverse Flash's face, it's going to be Barry, which will of course shock and confuse him. He'll later learn that this is actually Eobard Thawne, a descendant of Eddie's, who was obsessed with Barry Allen, even going so far as to make himself look exactly like him. Thawne traveled back in time to find out why the Flash disappeared in 2024.

Wells then, it turns out, is trying to keep the Flash from disappearing in 2024 in an effort to keep Thawne from ever going back in time.

 

[allthingsuper]

http://www.mtv.com/news/2010038/the-flash-reverse-flash-suspects/

 

[DigificWriter]

Wells is going to be helping Barry deal with stopping Reverse-Flash while Barry is fighting him, which couldn't happen if Wells were in fact the Reverse-Flash.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I don't think Wells is currently the Reverse-Flash but he could become a new version before the season is over.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

I don't think Wells is currently the Reverse-Flash but he could become a new version before the season is over.

It is possible, in the comics Thawne came back in time to try and meet his hero Barry Allen, and in his time the identity of Reverse Flash had been long forgotten, Thawne went nuts and became Reverse Flash after finding out that he was destined to become Reverse Flash and be killed by his idol. I do love time travel on tv shows, makes it harder to predict what's gonna happen.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Why in the heck would the show introduce Reverse-Flash and then change his identity down the road? That makes no sense, especially given what Grant said on the subject of the RF storyline.

 

[Lilbaz]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crisis_on_Infinite_Earths

Thanks for that. Although I didn't see any mention of turning the sky red. Is it because they are in the limbo universe?

 

[Anubis]

During that last bit when all hell was breaking loose and the Anti-Monitor's Shadow Demons where killing everything in sight, the sky went red.

Incidentally, Barry wasn't there for that either....cuz he was "dead" after having saved what was left of the Multiverse...ultimately he just bought everybody a little time.

If it's anything like the comic, and I'm not expecting it to be so, the reason why Barry wasn't there was cuz he was "dead" at the time.

 

[Lilbaz]

During that last bit when all hell was breaking loose and the Anti-Monitor's Shadow Demons where killing everything in sight, the sky went red.

Incidentally, Barry wasn't there for that either....cuz he was "dead" after having saved what was left of the Multiverse...ultimately he just bought everybody a little time.

If it's anything like the comic, and I'm not expecting it to be so, the reason why Barry wasn't there was cuz he was "dead" at the time.

Thanks again.

We'll only have to wait another 10/11 years to find out if he dies.

 

[chamber-music]

I've heard people say Wells is an older Barry who travelled back from the future but I'm pretty sure Barry would recognize a older version of himself.

Wells could be a descendant or Barry though.

 

[Dark Raven]

I get the impression sometimes that Wells wants to preserve that future where Barry is missing. But then, why would he be trying to help Barry get his powers back if Barry did not even appear to exist in the future when Wells's computer couldn't find any trace of him in any newspaper? If he ceased to exist, then would that not be to Wells's advantage if he were evil since that's one better than just going missing?

But maybe he seems to want Barry's power for himself judging by the end of the episode, although that could just be deliberately misleading.

I can't figure out what he's up to.

 

[3dman27]

Shouldn't Barry be able to vibrate and see yellow Flash's features ?

only if he thinks of it

 

[Spider-Fan83]

an he would probably have to match the exact frequency/speed of his vibration