The Flash Tom Cavanaugh IS Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse-Flash

[Fouldz]

After reading all the posts last night I thought that the ep would be mysterious but it's obvious that Wells in RF.

He powers the suit, travels back in time a day to help himself steal the Tachyon device. (I know that's the grandfather paradox but it's Flash)

How else could he do the voice.

P.S. I found it funny that nobody noticed his legs clearly moving during the beatdown.

This seems to be the most likely theory, although with time travel being involved they could literally do whatever they want

 

[MAN O STEEL]

when thinking of this show, don't think about the comics. There's no way a writer would 100% copy anything from the comics, as a geek will see what's coming a mile away. Wells IS Barry Allen from the future. Look at Tom Cavanagh then look at Grant Gustin and what do you notice?.

Both have similar shaped faces, almost identical. They both have long, skinny necks, almost identical. Both are similar in height. Both are similar in build. It's staring you in the face.

 

[The Shape]

when thinking of this show, don't think about the comics. There's no way a writer would 100% copy anything from the comics, as a geek will see what's coming a mile away. Wells IS Barry Allen from the future. Look at Tom Cavanagh then look at Grant Gustin and what do you notice?.

Both have similar shaped faces, almost identical. They both have long, skinny necks, almost identical. Both are similar in height. Both are similar in build. It's staring you in the face.

No. Just...no.

 

[Jaspertian1105]

when thinking of this show, don't think about the comics. There's no way a writer would 100% copy anything from the comics, as a geek will see what's coming a mile away. Wells IS Barry Allen from the future. Look at Tom Cavanagh then look at Grant Gustin and what do you notice?.

Both have similar shaped faces, almost identical. They both have long, skinny necks, almost identical. Both are similar in height. Both are similar in build. It's staring you in the face.

That sounds actually possible, the doctor says that he and Barry are so similar in their ways. That is a strange hint, they are scientists, similar build, and why would you be so worried about Barry and recreate the accident if you are the mortal enemy of the Flash? but in another way if you are yourself from the future or a relative of Barry you would want to make sure that the past remains constant, that would make more sense. 1 reverse flash is probably Barry from the future or a descendant

 

[SlamAdams]

I don't think its out of the realm of possibility that Wells is future Barry, I just think its a bad idea and hope to the spaghetti monster it doesn't come true.

 

[Nathan]

Well, if Wells is Barry, that would certainly be something new. And it'd be interesting to see how Barry actually lost his light.

 

[Comics]

Well, if Wells is Barry, that would certainly be something new. And it'd be interesting to see how Barry actually lost his light.

RF kills Iris then Flash chases him back in time to fail at saving his mother AND loses his time travel abilities.

Bye bye light.

I'm starting to think this might be the case.

Wells was def "the man in the yellow suit" but perhaps not RF.

They don't look enough alike for being 15 years apart in age though. Plastic surgery to not alert Barry while he trained him to be better...?

 

[Nathan]

You know, I actually don't hate the idea of Future Barry playing the Boogie man, so his past self is better prepared for the inevitable confrontation with Zoom.

 

[Mikelus]

I think he meant he was blown away because the whole episode shows both RF and Wells together -- and even interacting -- before it is revealed that Wells is RF.

It's very clear that Wells is RF now, and he engineered that whole "trap" for himself in order to steal the device he wanted/needed -- which he said had the potential to make someone all-powerful. How exactly he did it is the mystery and I can't wait to find out.

I think the way that the team will catch on to Wells is via Cisco. Cisco was questioning why his force-field thing didn't hold long enough because it should have. I think he'll dig into that and discover that Wells tinkered with it or sabotaged it.

Agreed, it was part of the plan.

Wells could be Eddie's future son or grandson Eobard Thawne, explaining why he didn't hurt him, unless it was a future Eddie working with Wells. But if Wells is working alone, another possible explanation would be that Harrison clone himself to be at several places at once and avoid suspicion.

 

[The Shape]

I just think a lot of you are over-thinking this whole thing.

 

[SlamAdams]

I vote Krakkl. :P

Actually what if the man in yellow is Krakkl and what looks like vibrating at superspeed is just what he normally looks like and he is being controlled by Wells with that contraption he put on the suit. And Wells is just a mad scientist with a electric-man-servant

Nah! But I still vote Krakkl anyway :P

 

[stillanerd]

when thinking of this show, don't think about the comics. There's no way a writer would 100% copy anything from the comics, as a geek will see what's coming a mile away. Wells IS Barry Allen from the future. Look at Tom Cavanagh then look at Grant Gustin and what do you notice?.

Both have similar shaped faces, almost identical. They both have long, skinny necks, almost identical. Both are similar in height. Both are similar in build. It's staring you in the face.

That sounds actually possible, the doctor says that he and Barry are so similar in their ways. That is a strange hint, they are scientists, similar build, and why would you be so worried about Barry and recreate the accident if you are the mortal enemy of the Flash? but in another way if you are yourself from the future or a relative of Barry you would want to make sure that the past remains constant, that would make more sense. 1 reverse flash is probably Barry from the future or a descendant

Yep, the "Harrison Wells is a future Barry Allan" has been the theory I've stuck with since at least episode three or four, and having taken a little time to think about it some more after this episode, I'm still sticking with it. After all, just because Wells has the yellow suit does mean he's THE Reverse Flash. After all, how do we know he didn't get that suit from the original Reverse Flash after he killed him and after the Reverse Flash killed Barry's mom?

And if Wells is indeed the a future Barry, why was he posing as the Reverse Flash in this episode? Well, what's been Wells' MO since this show started? To motivate Barry into going faster, which, of course, he has to if Barry has to go fast enough in order to travel back in time, which Barry can't do yet but, thanks to Cisco realizing there were two speedsters on the night Barry's mom was killed, one with red lightning (Reverse Flash) and one with yellow lightning (Barry).

So then if Wells is a future Barry, and if the real Reverse Flash is an older, future version of Eddie Thawne, then why didn't Wells kill Thawne when he had the chance? Because, if Wells kills Thawne before he becomes the Reverse Flash, it creates a temporal paradox. It would bring back Barry's mom since Reverse Flash would never have killed her, but it would also mean Barry would never go back in time to stop him. And if doesn't go back in time and, if Wells is future Barry, he'll never go on to create STAR Labs and the particle accelerator, which also means Barry won't get his powers. Which also means there would be no Flash and Eddie would not become Reverse Flash meaning there would be no reason to kill him. Thus the paradox.

RF kills Iris then Flash chases him back in time to fail at saving his mother AND loses his time travel abilities.

Bye bye light.

I'm starting to think this might be the case.

Wells was def "the man in the yellow suit" but perhaps not RF.

They don't look enough alike for being 15 years apart in age though. Plastic surgery to not alert Barry while he trained him to be better...?

Actually, it would be about 24-25 years apart, and the math does indeed add up. Remember, the newspaper said Flash disappears in 2024, and, thanks to Cisko figuring out there were two speedsters on the night Barry's mom was killed, one with red lightning (Reverse Flash) and the other with yellow lightning (characteristic of Barry), we can presume that Flash went back in time from 2024 to 2000.

If Wells is indeed future Barry and if Flash never returned to 2024, then it would suggest Flash stayed in the past and changed his identity to Wells. Then, perhaps because even though he could run fast enough to travel back in time, he can't travel forward in time, Wells, or future Barry, stays in the past and ages in real time, meaning an additional 14 years. Barry, at present, is 25. In 2024, he'll be 35. And if the 2024 Barry is in the past in the year 2000 and ages in real time to the present day, then that's 35 plus 14 equals 49 years old, or 50 give or take few months.

 

[greenlantern248]

Everyone is focused on why he didn't "kill" Eddie, what about the fact that Joe shot at him and he didn't kill Joe either?
He ran to Joe grabbed him by his throat and looked at him until I believe Barry showed up. For someone that fast snapping a neck would be instant he would have killed Joe before Barry got there.

Other thing, if Wells isn't RF how did Wells get the device that RF stole?

 

[Bathead]

I just think a lot of you are over-thinking this whole thing.

Agreed. Allen is NOT Wells.

 

[SlamAdams]

Everyone is focused on why he didn't "kill" Eddie, what about the fact that Joe shot at him and he didn't kill Joe either?
He ran to Joe grabbed him by his throat and looked at him until I believe Barry showed up. For someone that fast snapping a neck would be instant he would have killed Joe before Barry got there.

Other thing, if Wells isn't RF how did Wells get the device that RF stole?

It seems clear that if Wells isn't RF, than he is at least in cahoots with him. Simply being in cahoots is not off the table.

 

[scifiwolf]

I think the voice modulation thing at the end of the episode spells out pretty clearly that Wells is Reverse Flash.

 

[DigificWriter]

If Wells isn't the RF, it would be awfully convenient that the RF just so happened to show up, steal all of Barry's files about his mom's case, and threaten Iris literally just hours after Joe was plumbing Wells for information about the RF's involvement in Nora's murder and making it pretty clear that he was suspicious of Wells since it was Wells' particle accelerator that was responsible for Barry's existence as the Flash and the only known source of Metahuman abilities.

 

[Comics]

I think the voice modulation thing at the end of the episode spells out pretty clearly that Wells is Reverse Flash.

How? Barry is the only other character we've seen do that but we've been led to believe that a speedster can do it so it could be either or even a third unknown with speed abilities

 

[luis4u]

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[The Incredible Hulk]

Wells being either future Barry or Reverse Flash creates a rather weird continuity loop that the writers would have to do some real awkward plot gymnastics to get out of. (Barry goes back in time to create himself? RF goes back to create his own nemesis?) I cant see this going there.

 

[jrmtz543]

It's clear we're meant to believe Wells is RF, but some things bother me.

Why was the back and forth between Wells and RF necessary? The dialogue showed Wells displaying his intellectual prowess to RF (I designed this trap, only you could withstand it, etc).

How did Wells get drawn into the trap?

I know many speculate that Wells gets his powers from the suit, so maybe this last part is off - instead of the voice it would've been cool to see him speed away in the last scene.

 

[DigificWriter]

I'm getting the impression that Wells may be stuck in the past unintentionally, and that Barry's very existence is the key to getting him back to whenever it is he wants to be.

 

[Comics]

Wells being either future Barry or Reverse Flash creates a rather weird continuity loop that the writers would have to do some real awkward plot gymnastics to get out of. (Barry goes back in time to create himself? RF goes back to create his own nemesis?) I cant see this going there.

The lightening created the Flash. Wells created the Metas.

Wells being either still holds weight until they show more of him.

 

[The Shape]

I'm getting the impression that Wells may be stuck in the past unintentionally, and that Barry's very existence is the key to getting him back to whenever it is he wants to be.

Yes, this is what I've been saying and why he's trying to push The Flash to keep getting faster and faster.

I think the reason Wells finally decided to let Barry come face-to-face with the Reverse Flash is because he knows it will drive Barry to push even further to develop his speed force. If you notice in the promo for the next episode, it's all about Barry getting faster and pushing himself. RF could have easily killed him multiple times.

Reverse Flash needs something from Barry to regain the ability to time travel and return to his own time. Or at least that's one possible theory.

 

[Mikelus]

Yep, the "Harrison Wells is a future Barry Allan" has been the theory I've stuck with since at least episode three or four, and having taken a little time to think about it some more after this episode, I'm still sticking with it.

And why would Barry Allen become a psychopathic murderer? I don't think it fits with the lighter tone of this show. Unless he's a Barry from an alternate universe where people are the opposite of what they are in this. Anyway, we know Barry won't become a psycho in the future, so is pretty pointless.

What we know for sure, is that Harrison Wells is an amalgam of Thawne/Zolomon with several twists:

Hunter was severely injured in an attack by Gorilla Grodd in Iron Heights, when Grodd staged a mass prison break, and was left paralyzed from the waist down. He asked Wally West to use the time-traveling cosmic treadmill in the Flash Museum to prevent this from occurring, but West refused, saying that he could not risk damaging the timestream. Zolomon, feeling that Wally should be prepared to disregard such fears for the sake of their friendship, then broke into the museum and attempted to use the treadmill himself. The resulting explosion destroyed the museum and shifted Hunter's connection to time - described by Jay Garrick as him being 'derailed' from the timeline by the explosion - thus allowing Zolomon to alter the speed at which he could move in time, giving him the effect of superspeed.

Zolomon decided that West had refused to help because, unlike the previous Flash Barry Allen, West had never suffered personal tragedy, and thus did not understand how terrible it could be. Zolomon decided that if he became the new Zoom and caused a great tragedy in Wally's life, this would help the Flash become a better hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoom_(comics)

...Thawne was a criminal with a fixation on the second Flash who stumbled across a time capsule with his chosen enemy’s costume. He amplified residual speed energy in the costume, granting him super speed when he wore it. He embarked on a crime spree only to be stopped by the coincidence of his nemesis traveling ahead to find the time capsule when it was opened.

http://www.hyperborea.org/flash/zoom.html

In the show:

- Harrison Wells fakes he's paralyzed
- Fixation with Barry
- Wants to make him a better hero
- Probably killed Barry's mother so he would know personal tragedy
- Uses a suit with amplified super speed

A little paraphrasing here: If it looks like the RF, behaves like the RF, and talks like the RF, then it probably is the RF.