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Discussion in 'Thor' started by Mister Sinister, May 18, 2009.
It's gonna be so surreal and awesome to see for the first time.
I thought you saw it already HP?
Heaths Joker i felt was more close actually.
The anarchy, him giving all these different stories of his background just screamed Joker, his obsession with batman, the fact that he was always one step above Batman and the cops was also a key trait of Joker.
Jacks Joker obviously had a more faithful look because of the perma white and completley bleached hair. His laugh was obviously more Joker like.
Both versions had traits of the comic book Joker, i think in the end though Heaths Joker had the key and main characterstics of Joker in the comics.
Oh I was referring to BT's comment about Iron Man, Cap, Hulk & Thor being together on screen in Avengers.
TDK's Joker was closer to the portrayals in the comics as far as his actual actions go, but his whole anarchy philosophy violated a central tenet of the Joker for me. The Joker's not really supposed to have a philosophy. That's kind of the point. He is chaos personified. Nolan seemed to take that a bit too literally and translate it into a political agenda for the Joker, which felt really awkward when I saw it. Not that it detracted much from Ledger's otherwise fantastic performance.
one thing I still question about that scene is... was he invisible to everyone else, or was he in disguise? did they see him as someone else?
I kinda figured he was wearing the suit to blend in... but, if he was invisible, he wouldn't need to
Had to be invisible. If he were visible but in disguise, no way would SHIELD 1) allow him to get that far inside the base without raising a hell of a fuss, or 2) allow him to try and lift Mjolnir without a single word or glance in his general direction. I think the suit was just 'cause Loki's a fashionable son of a gun.
Thinking about that scene... Do you think that Loki perform some magic and had Coulson's cell ring to get him out of the interrogation w/Thor?
well, if he was in disguise as someone they would let it in...
Could be. That would've been funny if Coulson came back in and was like, "Man, that was the longest 'wrong number' call I've ever had."
I really like Tom Hiddleston as Loki, both in appearance and demeanor. I thought his character was kind of weakly written. For the first half of the film he seems less interesting than even the Warriors Three, whereas Thor steals the show. He didn't really get to do much in the Frost Giant battle, and I thought that would've perhaps been a good place to show off his intelligence, or some of his talents as an Asgardian. Once he makes his turn to evil it's slightly jarring because his character suddenly seems to become very dynamic and interesting, and the build up to this feels fairly wasted. I never really felt like the evil scheme he concocted existed for any other reason than Thor needed to fight something. The Odinsleep, and finding out he was a Frost Giant seemed like little more than a series of convienent set ups for the third act. I found the characters to be incredibly entertaining, especially Loki, but I felt like his story was much less compelling than the performance. Actually I'd go further to say the individual scenes for brilliant, but the coherent whole of them was a little generic.
Well I respectfully disagree. I liked how diplomatic he was towards Heimdall and Laufey, and he gets his moment during the battle on Jotunheim with his trickery which also doubled as foreshadowing. His sulking during Thor's coronation and getting roared at by Odin during Thor's banishment also sold that he was an outsider, and then of course he discovers his origins and sets up a scheme to become the favoured son that could have only been conceived in a damaged mind, culminating in a tragic battle where Loki literally falls into villainy.
I loved his character, look and behaviour. The only thing I would change, is him having a bit more screentime.
Bring on Avengers!
best bad guy of the summer so far! second place is blackbeard. lol
I would also showcase him using more magical attacks and other magic as well.
LOVED Loki ! For me , best villan ever in a Marvel film. AND ...he looked fantastic!
Saw the movie for the second time and it was better than the first .... oh my watching his preformence the second time around made me love the character and the peformance even more ... FANTASTIC !!!
Love the way he looked.... everything .. Tom is Loki ..!!! perfect casting in my opinion.
The funny part for me is that, even when each portrayal was quite different from each other, they both have many things in common.
Jack's Joker tried to prove people's corruptibility making Gotham people go to his parade for the money in spite of being a recognizable killer. The same Ledger's tried to prove people's corruptibility through the ferries plot.
What you said about Ledger's Joker can be said about Jack's Joker too. The anarchy, his obsession with Batman, the fact that he was always one step above Batman and the cops.
Jack's Joker seemed to really just want to have Vicky Vale be his girl, i thought his Joker was great don't get me wrong but he was just trying to get the girl and rule gotham(Which Heaths Joker did also want to do)
Yeah there were similiarties with both of them but i still think they were more different than similar.
I like Tom's performance. mIt was subtle but hammy when needed. I also didn't find Loki's actions that villainous tbh.
^^^ Destroying an entire race and threatening to destroy Earth is pretty villainous if you ask me.
I agree , however the reason it dont seem that villainous because you felt why he wanted to do it rather doing it because he could. Thats what makes him so awesome , you dont like his actions but there is a real reason behind them. He his deep pain and angry so he lashes out in a last attempt to please his father, and when that don't happen well...he goes down hill from there.
The race is established as being quite nasty, though. If the Frost Giants had been obliterated I doubt anybody would've missed them. And the Destroyer was just sent to kill Thor, as I recall.
It's still genocide, though. The Frost Giants were not sympathetic, I agree, but I think Loki looking for genocide against the wishes of Odin establishes a moral compass that starts pointing toward evil.
Wow, am I glad you're not ruling a country!!! t: