Iron Man Tons of positive early screening Iron Man reviews

[ultimatefan]

Oh, and the article has at least one blatant inaccuracy - it lists the movie´s director as Francis Lawtence - that´s right, the Constantine guy...

 

[Darknightnomis]

I stopped reading at the first couple paragraphs. If origin stories are so dull and people think they´re such a drag, how come Superman The Movie, Spíder-Man and Batman Begins, all of which take more than 45 minutes to get to the superhero in costume, were so successful? How come people mention the scenes where Peter and Clark discover their powers and Bruce does his ninja training as some of their favorites in the movie? Seriously, some people shouldn´t even bother to review certain movies if they´re so far-removed from their target audience.

Exactly. This guy who wrote this review is a hack.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

There are people on Superhero hype who don't care for the orgin but I do, the orgin stories are usually some of my favorite parts of a Superhero movie.

 

[explode7]

Even if IM didn't have an Origin story I'd still like it nonetheless.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

^You've seen it?

 

[Naite22]

Cool... the movie is getting positive reviews!... let's hope they keep coming up!

Have you guys seen this one??? this one seems fairly clever!

http://www.scifimoviepage.com/ironman.html

 

[Raiden]

Cool... the movie is getting positive reviews!... let's hope they keep coming up!

Have you guys seen this one??? this one seems fairly clever!

http://www.scifimoviepage.com/ironman.html

I think Darknightnomis posted this link on top of this page.

 

[ObakeTora]

I never thought I'd see the day when a movie like TRANSFORMERS would be considered "Garbage". Flawed, maybe. But "garbage"? In the 1980's it would have been the coolest movie ever. But apparently a movie with comedy elements is garbage now. Despite the fact that physical and situational comedy has been a mainstay of comedy since comedy began.

I think it would have been garbage then too. I have fond memories of summer of 85 when I saw TF the movie the first time, what got me about that film as opposed to the new tf film was I felt overwhelmed. You had Unicron that ate planets, transformers getting murdered, it was crazy! But this new film is nothing but lame jokes and media tie ins. Bleh I say.

 

[ultimatefan]

I think it would have been garbage then too. I have fond memories of summer of 85 when I saw TF the movie the first time, what got me about that film as opposed to the new tf film was I felt overwhelmed. You had Unicron that ate planets, transformers getting murdered, it was crazy! But this new film is nothing but lame jokes and media tie ins. Bleh I say.

Yeah, I wasn´t even a big TF fan and I remember being so taken by Optimus dying. When Jazz died in the movie, it was an afterthought. When a death in an animated movie is much more moving and meaningful than the one in a live-action movie of the same franchise, you can tell there´s something rotten in Denmark.

 

[Nivek]

I think it would have been garbage then too. I have fond memories of summer of 85 when I saw TF the movie the first time, what got me about that film as opposed to the new tf film was I felt overwhelmed. You had Unicron that ate planets, transformers getting murdered, it was crazy! But this new film is nothing but lame jokes and media tie ins. Bleh I say.

Hey, you have an opinion, and i have one as well about Transformers. I thought it was pretty damn good, and I REAAAALLLY think some of you need to get your expectations a bit more grounded. You want a continuation of the cartoon? Pressure to have G1 cartoon sequels made. It was a big budget studio adaption, made by a high profile producer and director, and considering how other genre films have been barely unrecognizable I believe some Transformer fans are in the same league as the guys who we're ragging on Organic web Shooters killing all that was good about Spider-man.

Get over yourselves. Transformers we're nothing but a Toy Commercial first and foremost.

 

[ultimatefan]

Hey, you have an opinion, and i have one as well about Transformers. I thought it was pretty damn good, and I REAAAALLLY think some of you need to get your expectations a bit more grounded. You want a continuation of the cartoon? Pressure to have G1 cartoon sequels made. It was a big budget studio adaption, made by a high profile producer and director, and considering how other genre films have been barely unrecognizable I believe some Transformer fans are in the same league as the guys who we're ragging on Organic web Shooters killing all that was good about Spider-man.

Get over yourselves. Transformers we're nothing but a Toy Commercial first and foremost.

Yeah, I know that TF as a property never was a Spider-Man or a Batman to begin with, but judging the movie purely as a moviegoer without any fanboy attachment one way or another, I thought it sucked.

Anyway, back to Iron Man...

 

[Nivek]

As discussed in the TF film during it's release last summer, it wasn't like it was based off a 40+ year comic property, it was based off a Toy series. But this discussion has no place here.

BOT... How about that Scifi review above? Is it just me, or has internet blogs and sites really made thing harder for legit reporters to exist? I'm not sure if this guy is some actual reporter, or some guy in front of a Keyboard?

 

[ultimatefan]

As discussed in the TF film during it's release last summer, it wasn't like it was based off a 40+ year comic property, it was based off a Toy series. But this discussion has no place here.

BOT... How about that Scifi review above? Is it just me, or has internet blogs and sites really made thing harder for legit reporters to exist? I'm not sure if this guy is some actual reporter, or some guy in front of a Keyboard?

If that´s the problem, POTC was based on a theme park ride, but yeah, that´s not the place to discuss it.

Considering he didn´t even get the name of the director right, who knows...

 

[The Guard]

Re: TRANSFORMERS, since there is no interesting Iron Man discussing going on right now...

I understand the concerns about the differing nature of the humor VS say, something more cerebral like GHOSTBUSTERS, but I think you have to consider the audience when taking into account the movie as an adaption. This movie was never going to be made for adults, this movie was aimed at kids and teenagers, just like the series, the toys, and even, in some respects, the comics. The humor fit the characters, for the most part. The more serious characters were given more serious "humor", or the humor came from the fact that they were serious character, and so on and so forth.

I guess I question what you were all looking for other than more "characterization" from the robots (which even the original series didn't feature a ton of), that what you got ended up disgusting you so much. I mean, for me, the movie presented a relatively realistic look at the impact giant robots that can transform into cars would have on the world. It presented fairly reasonable explanations for their methods, their motivations, etc.

And I think, mostly due to the cast, that the movie was pretty funny. The scene where the Transformers are trying to hide outside is classic. The stuff with Bumblebee and Sam is great. Even some of Megan Fox's scenes didn't suck. And the movie was fun. And at heart, that's what Transformers is. It's a neat concept that is fun, with little bits of social relevance here and there, just like any other project.

It's amusing that people decry this but praise TRANSFORMERS: THE MOVIE, which, last I knew, was widely regarded as crap with a few decent scenes by Transformers fans.

 

[ultimatefan]

Re: TRANSFORMERS, since there is no interesting Iron Man discussing going on right now...

I understand the concerns about the differing nature of the humor VS say, something more cerebral like GHOSTBUSTERS, but I think you have to consider the audience when taking into account the movie as an adaption. This movie was never going to be made for adults, this movie was aimed at kids and teenagers, just like the series, the toys, and even, in some respects, the comics. The humor fit the characters, for the most part. The more serious characters were given more serious "humor", or the humor came from the fact that they were serious character, and so on and so forth.

I guess I question what you were all looking for other than more "characterization" from the robots (which even the original series didn't feature a ton of), that what you got ended up disgusting you so much. I mean, for me, the movie presented a relatively realistic look at the impact giant robots that can transform into cars would have on the world. It presented fairly reasonable explanations for their methods, their motivations, etc.

And I think, mostly due to the cast, that the movie was pretty funny. The scene where the Transformers are trying to hide outside is classic. The stuff with Bumblebee and Sam is great. Even some of Megan Fox's scenes didn't suck. And the movie was fun. And at heart, that's what Transformers is. It's a neat concept that is fun, with little bits of social relevance here and there, just like any other project.

It's amusing that people decry this but praise TRANSFORMERS: THE MOVIE, which, last I knew, was widely regarded as crap with a few decent scenes by Transformers fans.

So why even make it PG-13 to begin with? I don´t think having kids as your main audience excuses the movie either. I highly enjoyed movies like Toy Story, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, the first Shrek, all of which have kids as their primary audience. A lot of the humor felt forced to me, like the computer hack who got all crazy and broke the window and stuff, even Michael Bay admits that scene serves no purpose, his only excuse is "people laughed", which I didn´t. Bay never seems to take what he´s working with the least bit seriously, there´s so much comic relief that in fact there´s nothing to be relieved, any sense of threat or danger is killed before it even builds up.

I saw TFTM a long time ago, so I have very vague memories of it, but the death of Optimus was a far more compelling moment than the death of Jazz in the live-action movie, no question about it. My judgement, as I said, is purely as a moviegoer, not a TF fanboy or anything.

 

[The Guard]

So why even make it PG-13 to begin with?

Because that's what the violence/action/scary elements/sexual overtones made it. To be PG, it would have had to be ridiculously tame in terms of what could be shown onscreen.

I don´t think having kids as your main audience excuses the movie either.

It depends on what you want to "excuse".

I highly enjoyed movies like Toy Story, Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, the first Shrek, all of which have kids as their primary audience.

And all of them involve "simple" humor at some point or another. Physical comedy, sexual humor, jokes about this or that...you name it.

A lot of the humor felt forced to me, like the computer hack who got all crazy and broke the window and stuff, even Michael Bay admits that scene serves no purpose, his only excuse is "people laughed", which I didn´t.

That's such a small, small part of the movie. It's a character that maybe didn't need to exist, but did, and writers/actors giving him something to do beyond be "another cliche computer hacker". It doesn't bother me because I've met people like that. There are people like that in real life, and it's a hell of a lot more interesting/relevant to the movie than "serious computer hacker". It's part of the "more than meets the eye" theme.

Bay never seems to take what he´s working with the least bit seriously, there´s so much comic relief that in fact there´s nothing to be relieved, any sense of threat or danger is killed before it even builds up.

Oh, come on. The sense of danger is there when it needs to be. When Sam is attacked, when Megatron attacks, when the Decepticons attack, etc.

I saw TFTM a long time ago, so I have very vague memories of it, but the death of Optimus was a far more compelling moment than the death of Jazz in the live-action movie, no question about it. My judgement, as I said, is purely as a moviegoer, not a TF fanboy or anything.

Well yeah, of course the death of Optimus Prime is more compelling, as it involves this known character from a long running series passing on his legacy after falling in battle.

Are you really comparing the death of Optimus Prime to the death of Jazz? Of course the death of Prime was more compelling. That doesn't mean Jazz's death was completely meaningless. My point is, Prime's death may be the ONLY compelling part of the movie. The rest is literally just action and new Transformers and Decepticons.

 

[ultimatefan]

Because that's what the violence/action/scary elements/sexual overtones made it. To be PG, it would have had to be ridiculously tame in terms of what could be shown onscreen.



It depends on what you want to "excuse".



And all of them involve "simple" humor at some point or another. Physical comedy, sexual humor, jokes about this or that...you name it.



That's such a small, small part of the movie. It's a character that maybe didn't need to exist, but did, and writers/actors giving him something to do beyond be "another cliche computer hacker". It doesn't bother me because I've met people like that. There are people like that in real life, and it's a hell of a lot more interesting/relevant to the movie than "serious computer hacker". It's part of the "more than meets the eye" theme.



Oh, come on. The sense of danger is there when it needs to be. When Sam is attacked, when Megatron attacks, when the Decepticons attack, etc.



Well yeah, of course the death of Optimus Prime is more compelling, as it involves this known character from a long running series passing on his legacy after falling in battle.

Are you really comparing the death of Optimus Prime to the death of Jazz? Of course the death of Prime was more compelling. That doesn't mean Jazz's death was completely meaningless. My point is, Prime's death may be the ONLY compelling part of the movie. The rest is literally just action and new Transformers and Decepticons.

So if you aim your movie primarily at kids, why add violent/scary/sexual undertones? This franchise´s most famous incarnation prior to this was a saturday morning cartoon.

But it´s well-done, well-crafted comedy nonetheless, which is rarely the case in TF, almost every joke feels like an obvious one-liner put together by the marketing people. Even Jazz´s death has the cheesy "want a piece of me","actually, I want two", exchange, and almost every line in the movie is like that.

It´s not a small part, the movie´s loaded with moments like that. Whenever there is supposed to be danger or threat, there´s a ton of those silly jokes, way more than necessary for "comic relief" sake. I never bought any of the danger or threat in the movie, cuz there always was a dumb as hell joke like that every forty or fifty seconds.

One thing I know about the TF franchise is Jazz is a big character in it. His death was supposed to carry some meaning and emotion, and it was basically like killing henchman # 47 or something.

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Because that's what the violence/action/scary elements/sexual overtones made it. To be PG, it would have had to be ridiculously tame in terms of what could be shown onscreen.



It depends on what you want to "excuse".



And all of them involve "simple" humor at some point or another. Physical comedy, sexual humor, jokes about this or that...you name it.



That's such a small, small part of the movie. It's a character that maybe didn't need to exist, but did, and writers/actors giving him something to do beyond be "another cliche computer hacker". It doesn't bother me because I've met people like that. There are people like that in real life, and it's a hell of a lot more interesting/relevant to the movie than "serious computer hacker". It's part of the "more than meets the eye" theme.



Oh, come on. The sense of danger is there when it needs to be. When Sam is attacked, when Megatron attacks, when the Decepticons attack, etc.



Well yeah, of course the death of Optimus Prime is more compelling, as it involves this known character from a long running series passing on his legacy after falling in battle.

Are you really comparing the death of Optimus Prime to the death of Jazz? Of course the death of Prime was more compelling. That doesn't mean Jazz's death was completely meaningless. My point is, Prime's death may be the ONLY compelling part of the movie. The rest is literally just action and new Transformers and Decepticons.

I agree,people shouldn't be so offended by the movie having humor,that seems to be a bigger complaint here then compared to like DonMurphy.net. Some of the Tf fans are just looking for certain excuses to dislike the Transformers movie that aren't even in it IMO.
One thing that makes me mad is when one of them would say there is no story. Them not liking the movie doesn't=The movie lacking a story of any kind at all.

Anyway's it sucks so much that the Ironman fans from Canada,can't see Iron Man early,I'm one of those fans. I checked my work's website yesterday and it still said Iron Man is coming out on May 2nd,I highly doubt I will be able to see it sooner than later.

Edit:Nvm about the Iron Man debacle,the Iron Man fans from Canada will get to see it on Thursday too after all.
Phew,what a relief.

 

[JediMasterConor]

Drop the Transformers talk for christ sake! This is a ****ing Iron Man forum

 

[SurfDUI]

Drop the Transformers talk for christ sake! This is a ****ing Iron Man forum

Your fightin the wind man-these zeros have little else than to get there pt. across wherever they can.

 

[The Guard]

So if you aim your movie primarily at kids, why add violent/scary/sexual undertones? This franchise´s most famous incarnation prior to this was a saturday morning cartoon.

I said kids and teens.

But it´s well-done, well-crafted comedy nonetheless

In your opinion. It depends on the specific comedic moment we're talking about.

which is rarely the case in TF, almost every joke feels like an obvious one-liner put together by the marketing people.

Try Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.

Even Jazz´s death has the cheesy "want a piece of me","actually, I want two", exchange, and almost every line in the movie is like that.

And then Jazz gets ripped in half and murdered. Which really isn't cheesy at all.

It´s not a small part, the movie´s loaded with moments like that. Whenever there is supposed to be danger or threat, there´s a ton of those silly jokes, way more than necessary for "comic relief" sake. I never bought any of the danger or threat in the movie, cuz there always was a dumb as hell joke like that every forty or fifty seconds.

Then you didn't buy it. Your loss, I guess. I fail to see how humor removes the dangerous element from a scene.

One thing I know about the TF franchise is Jazz is a big character in it. His death was supposed to carry some meaning and emotion, and it was basically like killing henchman # 47 or something.

Other than Ratchet being upset that he couldn't save him, and Prime directly addressing his death and the silver lining to the day, maybe. It wasn't exactly glossed over. These are robot warriors, what do you want, a funeral sequence?

 

[S.A.A.D.]

Drop the Transformers talk for christ sake! This is a ****ing Iron Man forum

Dude,calm the frack down.

 

[The Guard]

Drop the Transformers talk for christ sake! This is a ****ing Iron Man forum

Then why was no one talking about Iron Man? This forum has been all but dead the past few days, and this thread is no exception. And it isn't because there's a Transformers discussion going on here, it's because there's next to nothing to talk about.

 

[DACrowe]

Well I know it is still OT, but I have to say the reason a large number of people (including myself), albeit the minority, thought TF was mediocre is because it is just a studio fluff piece. There is no depth and it is nothing but a commercial proposition for studio-tie-ins to product placement and merchandise. The characters are vapid and cliche archetypes that steal from Spider-Man to E.T. but lack the depth of all those films and boils down to a few charming and good actors (minus Fox who is just eye candy) providing humor to make up for a lack of plot in a commercial for--more commercials.

While I don't expect IM with a $130m budget to compete with the action and spectacle of TF, I hope and predict it will be a better movie. Especially given its cast, as well.

 

[ultimatefan]

I said kids and teens.



In your opinion. It depends on the specific comedic moment we're talking about.



Try Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.



And then Jazz gets ripped in half and murdered. Which really isn't cheesy at all.



Then you didn't buy it. Your loss, I guess. I fail to see how humor removes the dangerous element from a scene.



Other than Ratchet being upset that he couldn't save him, and Prime directly addressing his death and the silver lining to the day, maybe. It wasn't exactly glossed over. These are robot warriors, what do you want, a funeral sequence?

Still, didn´t need to be nearly as condescending and silly as it was to appeal to that audience, as has proven by a number of other movies.

The Pixar movies, for instance, manage to make the comedic moments be mostly an actual integral part of the story, and still when they get serious, they get serious for real, and you can clearly see how they research in-depth every universe they deal with, whether it´s fishes, toys, etc., that make their jokes feel specific and unique to it, while TF is loaded with generic humor that could have been stolen from any lame blockbuster, teen comedy and stuff, such as "I don´t mind girls working my engine", or "it´s you and me", "no, only me".


Both of which did a piss-poor job.

Yeah, after Jazz had maybe two lines and a minute of screentime in the movie, and then Optimus and Ratchet push some melodrama to pretend there was anything compelling about his character in the movie and the way he was quickly dispatched without having had anything to do that would actually make an audience care.

When you keep throwing humor all the time, you kill the danger, it´s hard to believe people are truly scared or in danger when they keep joking all the time and the scenes that are supposed to have danger are still played for laughs all the time.