Top 10 Marvel Movies of the Decade!!!

[david icke]

Glad to see Daredevil getting some love (well the DC at least). It really is totally underrated. There isn't really anything wrong with it...apart from that god awful playground fight scene. In fact, Daredevil in essence, is probably one of the most accurate to the source material comic book movies ever made.

The only part I would say was not comics accurate was the part where he let the rapist die under the subway train. I don't recall anytime when DD did something like that, one of the plots in the Miller DD run was that DD saved Bullseye's life and it tore him up afterwards whenever Bullseye killed someone.

Frank Miller was on set for that subway scene though, when MSJ asked him whether DD should let the rapist die, Miller said 'yeah'. So, I mean, it works for the fact we see the character arc where by the end of the movie DD only sets himself up and judge and jury, no longer the executioner. But, he was never like that in the books, about the only thing he did similar was accidently kill someone when he was first starting out, in the Miller/Romita book 'Man without Fear', which is basically DD Year One, and informed a lot of the movie. Great book.

edit: Ok, will go for my top Marvel movies of the decade, from the gut...

1. X-Men
2. Spider-man
3. X-Men 2
3. Spider-man 2
4. Spider-man 3
5. Daredevil(both versions)
6. Iron-Man
7. X-Men 3
8. Wolverine
9. The Incredible Hulk
10. Hulk

 

[VenomVsSpidey]

Glad to see Daredevil getting some love (well the DC at least). It really is totally underrated. There isn't really anything wrong with it...apart from that god awful playground fight scene. In fact, Daredevil in essence, is probably one of the most accurate to the source material comic book movies ever made.

IMO, it's kinda sad they never made a sequel to it. One of the truly GOOD fox movies that never got what It deserved.

 

[Cardboard King]

1-Iron Man
2-Spider-Man
3-Spider-Man 2
4-X-men
5-Fantastic Four (extended version)
6-X-men 2
7-Incredible Hulk
8-FF Rise Of The Silver Surfer
9-Ghost Rider
10-Blade 2

 

[night0205]

After Daredevil, I was so certain Ghost Rider was going to be great... Maybe Daredevil was just Mark Steven Johnson's one hit wonder... as far as a good movie is concerned. Whether it gets the love or not, the director's cut is a good superhero movie. Almost way more realistic then any other, showing the brutality a hero who beats people up has to go through. "I'm in the fight club."

And may I say Ben Affleck's best performance?

 

[david icke]

After Daredevil, I was so certain Ghost Rider was going to be great... Maybe Daredevil was just Mark Steven Johnson's one hit wonder... as far as a good movie is concerned. Whether it gets the love or not, the director's cut is a good superhero movie. Almost way more realistic then any other, showing the brutality a hero who beats people up has to go through. "I'm in the fight club."

And may I say Ben Affleck's best performance?

Yeah, Affleck was great in the role i thought, don't know if it was his best ever though, when he is in a good movie he can bring it, like 'Dazed and confused'.

The thing about DD was that MSJ stuck pretty close to one of the best ever runs in comicbook history, he handpicked lots of great moments and characters, the script did a pretty damn good job of condensing Miller's DD run, they even got a little 'Born again' in there, DD's confrontation with Kingpin in his office was straight from BA.

I have like, one Ghost Rider solo comic from 1981, but I think I can safely say that he has not had a run that is comparable to Miller's DD, not many heroes have.
Also combine with the fact that in DD we had, as you say, a very viseral take, a bruised and battered tooth spitting hero, which was interesting and relatable, whereas GR had an awkward CGI demon who we were supposed to identify with.
I think that's basically the difference between the two movies, and why MSJ was able to make one good one and one bad. A great director would have been able to make both a great dd and GR.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

My only problem with the script was Matt describing his powers. "It gave me a sorta, radar sense". I think it should of been put into words a bit better than that.

With GR I think it's safe to say studio interference also hindered it. I mean, Ghost Rider should of been dark and macabre. Sure there was a couple scenes of that, but the whole film should of been like it. Plus the villains were lame.

 

[night0205]

But when Mark Steven Johnson talked about Ghost Rider, he said the Studio gave him complete creative control, for the most part. I don't think MSJ pushed for a dark film, but what do I know. All I know is that he said, he had a lot of room to make the film he wanted. There were specific things I liked about Ghost Rider, but the main thing was that the ending sucked. Big let down. And Blackheart was horrid.

Visually, Blackheart looks amazing in the comic...why not use that?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Really? Well, that is a surprise. I dunno why someone would consciously "lighten" a Ghost Rider film if they didn't have to.

I agree though there was some great parts about it. Like Jonny's initial transformation. Where he starts off screaming in agony then it turns into this maniacal laughter. Pretty disturbing. More of the film should of been like that.

 

[david icke]

My only problem with the script was Matt describing his powers. "It gave me a sorta, radar sense". I think it should of been put into words a bit better than that.

With GR I think it's safe to say studio interference also hindered it. I mean, Ghost Rider should of been dark and macabre. Sure there was a couple scenes of that, but the whole film should of been like it. Plus the villains were lame.

Yeah, I mean, taking onboard both your points, i think looking at both movies proves that MSJ is not a great screenwriter/director, but he can be a good adapter of material if the material is ready made to an extent, and great in the first place.

With DD he was able to lean on Miller a great deal, unlike with GR. But a great filmaker could have taken even the raw material of GR and sculpted it into something special.

I agree it should have been a dark horror type film, but he kind of made it goofball rider, instead of creating a film with the vibe of a flaming hell-skull coming out of the darkness, it was more like the feeling of being stuck in a lift during a power cut with a harmless heavy metal fan who has a glow in the dark skull on the back of his leather jacket.

The only scene I truly liked was when he transformed in the prison cell, as you said as well, it needed more of that crazy possesion stuff, Cage is capable of delivering in that kind of movie, he would get into it.
Dark, scary, supernatural, Del Toro, someone like that should have done it. But what MSJ wanted it seems was the ultimate drawing off the back of a leather biker's jacket movie. ie get the GR looking cool and everything else will fall into place, em, no.
And the thing is, the image got a lot of bums in seats, just a shame it was attached to an 80s/early 90s superhero movie.

Re the villans. He said a lot of the budget went into perfecting GR's cgi, and so when it came to the villan fights they could only go so far. They should have stuck to one villan really then, and ploughed all the dough into making him the best they could.

 

[night0205]

The good points of Ghost Rider I thought: (there was actually a lot of elements that could have made a good film)
1. Ghost Rider looked like Ghost Rider.
2. The transformation scenes were pretty well done.
3. The origin was pretty well done, as far as I know.
4. I liked Mephistophes's character, in human form, but they should have shown his unhuman form.
5. The whole being a daredevil biker was alright.
6. The Ghost Rider's desert ride.
7. Riding down a skyscraper.
8. The love story aspect, was... good and bad.
9. The penance stare could have been used better, but it showed it's purpose.
I haven't seen it in a while, so Idk what else.

Bad things that killed it:
1. Blackheart was stupid.
2. The Action was Stupid.
3. The Ending was Horrid. They changed the ending at the last minute I believe, which is why it seems short, I remember hearing Ghost Rider went to hell to fight Blackheart. But not a big enough budget.
4. Was to light. A dark character, needs to remain dark.
5. The way blackheart died was ridiculous.
In my opinion, it started out good, but fell apart about half way through and never recovered.

http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0070913/

 

[david icke]

3. The origin was pretty well done, as far as I know.

I don't know the comics at all in regards to that, but the way it was done in the movie was stupid and nonsensical. They made it that he signed away his soul by accident, when traditionally for these type of deals to work, you have to make a concious desicion to sign your soul away.
Tbh I think that sums up the whole movie, it was a flawed piece of work even at the most basic of levels.
About the only thing worth watching about it is that for the first hour it's a reasonable tv movie about a slightly eccentric stuntrider, and we get to see some stunts. But once GR shows up in that first action scene, forget it, the skull looked fine, but that big massive akward torso with the 80s shoulder pads, awful.
I switched my dvd off after Gr showed up the last time I tried watching it.
This movie trying to fit into the current climate of superhero movies was like a vhs tape trying to squeeze into a dvd player, even on it';s best director's cut diet it's not going to fit in.
even terrible adaptations like Fantastic Four feel like a modern supermovie, this one was nineteen canteen, and an embaressment to the progress superhero movies have made, this one and Swamp thing are the only two cb adptations i have on dvd that i have not made it to the end of, and swamp thing was 1982. I only watched the entirety of GR at the cinema, and i'm pretty sure i was not sober for that, so that helped.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It was sorta similar in the comics. Blaze was a stunt rider. But I don't think it was his real dad he sold his soul to save, think it was his step dad or something like that.

 

[night0205]

Either way, I'm starting to realize more and more, that a GOOD movie is a movie that withstands the test of time. Not a movie, necessarily that you watched and like in theater...because I foolishly buy these movies I like in theater, watch them again, and they aren't that great. But if a movie was made in the 70's or 80's or 90's (even at this point) and still stands up to the quality of film today, then that's a GOOD movie. Example: Jaws, Jurassic Park, Terminator 2, Alien, Aliens, Abyss, Star Wars, Matrix, Indiana Jones, Blade Runner, all these movies, I have watched a dozen times, and will watch another dozen in the future. They are great films, even by today's standards, and many of them make today movies seem like jokes.
Marvel Movies that will not stand the test of time are:
Ghost Rider, Elektra, Fantastic Four, FF2, Punisher War Zone, for sure.
Maybe not:
Wolverine, X3, Spider-man 3, Punisher, X-men 1.
Marvel movies I think will stand the test of time:
Iron Man, Hulk (after watching it again), The Incredible Hulk, X2, Spider-man, Spider-man 2, Daredevil Director's Cut.

 

[david icke]

Marvel Movies that will not stand the test of time are:
Ghost Rider, Elektra, Fantastic Four, FF2, Punisher War Zone, for sure.
Maybe not:
Wolverine, X3, Spider-man 3, Punisher, X-men 1.
Marvel movies I think will stand the test of time:
Iron Man, Hulk (after watching it again), The Incredible Hulk, X2, Spider-man, Spider-man 2, Daredevil Director's Cut.

I agree for the most part with your list, I would say the 1st X-Men will stand the test oif time definitely though, i don't think there is much between it and X2 apart from X-Men being a shorter movie. but, i think X-Men is a tighter movie than X2, X2 is better up until the final act when they get to the military base, then it loses it's dramatic momentum.
I won't get into Spidey3 too much, but I don't think there's much between that and the other two either, although there are some sfx in SM3 that will not stand up as well in years to come, they had to cram a lot of effects in and did not have John Dystraka(sic) on board anymore.
PWZ is a good laugh and a fun watch, but it's not what i would call a timeless classic in the making.
That final fight scene in TIH will not stand the test of time though I would say, the rest of the movie is pretty good though.

 

[night0205]

Obviously, visually, old movies won't have the technology that the future has, so then it comes down to story. However, all the movies I mentioned, except maybe a few, still have AMAZING visual effects, even by today's standards.

I'm excited for Bryan Singer coming back!

 

[night0205]

After watching X-men 1 again, despite the horrid plot by Magneto, it was very well produced. Plus, it is the father of all superhero movies of the 21st century, in my humble opinion.

 

[night0205]

Glad to see Daredevil getting some love (well the DC at least). It really is totally underrated. There isn't really anything wrong with it...apart from that god awful playground fight scene. In fact, Daredevil in essence, is probably one of the most accurate to the source material comic book movies ever made.

Just saw Daredevil Director's Cut again. It really is a great film. What I like about the film is it takes chances, most of them worked, some of them (playground scene) didn't quite work. But it's the superhero's version of a Greek tragedy.

It might work it's way up my list.

 

[Ipodman]

WHy does almost everyone hate the playground scene? It was early in the movie and that light-hearted action scene seemed appriopriate and entertaining ( at least to me )

 

[night0205]

I don't have anything personal against the playground scene. But I do now that many people hate it, because it's silly to see a guy and girl fight in a playground, and a bunch of kids cheering them on.

 

[Ipodman]

husband and wife

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Because it was just about the cheesiest thing I've ever seen.

When Matt throws his staff up in the air then catches it with this really cringe worthy pose and smirk on his face... bleh. And it had really bad wire work.

The film had built a nice, serious, dark tone...then it randomly has that scene? Stank of the studio saying "Hey we gotta lighten this up a bit man!"

 

[Ipodman]

Well... lucky for the movie, that scene was quite early, so it didnt really mess up the tone later on when the plot developes

 

[night0205]

Watching the director's cut, they did a good job at balancing the dark and light tones. I swear, I just watched it, and I laughed my head off because of Jon Favereau. That guy cracks me up, especially in the director's cut. I seriously think Daredevil is the funniest Marvel film, just because of Favereau.

Iron Man is funny, but it doesn't make me crack up. Spider-man 2 has some funny parts, but it also doesn't make me crack up. Jon Favereau and Ben Affleck were amazing together.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea that's another great thing about DD. The relationship between Matt and Foggy was great. They're great buds, but that doesn't stop them pulling pranks on each other and winding each other up. I loved the part in the diner, where Foggy thinks he has tricked Matt, but Matt snidely switches their coffees

I thought Bullseye was morbidly funny too. The part on the plane with the old lady was hilarious. The look on his face as she was constantly going on and on. He actually started to look a bit worried and panicked

 

[night0205]

I liked Bullseye. Idk, he does fine. My girlfriend just watched it for the first time, and the peanut scene was coming up, and it was really awkward because I knew it was just a morbid scene. It's like did he just kill an old lady? Can they do that?
"Ah, she's sleeping."

My girlfriend has pretty good taste in movies. She never saw theatrical version of Daredevil, and never knew what the character was. She saw the Director's Cut. Loved it. More proof that it's not just in my head, because it doesn't get much buzz, that Daredevil is a really good movie.