Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[Nathan]

That's why we need the Bay/Spielberg combination.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

This is the first Bay film I haven't enjoyed. Bad Boys 1 and 2? Loved 'em!

 

[AnorexicBatman]

"The boy's pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the female."

This line is pure win. A sohpihsticated sex joke.
Where as the TF2 version would be, "DAMN! The boy wants to do the horizontal boogie with his snookie"

 

[Mr. Earle]

I love to just hear the Autobots talk with each other, as long as they don't talk **** like the Twins. I also like the situational humor, like when Ratchet walks into the electric wires and says "Wow! That was tingly. You should try that." and Ironhides dry reply "Yeah, that looks fun." Or when Prime tells them to hide and Jazz is all like "What, where? Oh, damn... oh, no, man!"

Or my favorite line from the first Movie "The boy's pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the female." That line had the entire theater rolling."

I was missing that stuff and only Bumblebee provided a few moments similar to the first Movie.

IMHO thats clever humor. Thats good humor. Ratchet was just unaware of human relations. He just stated the facts. Very good.

I think i liked the twins. The movie would have been a lot better if the trash talk and comedy was limited to them. Ironhide didnt need to say "punkass" decepticon for example. He is supposed to be serious and they are supposed to be comedy relief. Are simple things like that really that hard for Bay to grasp?

 

[dark_b]

That's why need the Bay/Spielberg combination.

since the numbers are so high you think it will happen?
i hope Spielberg will see the reviews and join Bay in 3 years again.

 

[The Guard]

Guard I've been saying this for years, and I'm still saying it... You just defend movies just to see if you can, don't you. Just admit it, you could give a rat's tail about this movie, you just enjoy batting around people's criticisms to see if you can change their minds.

Nope.

I mean, I do enjoy doing that to a point, but that's not why I defend certain elements.

Care about this movie in comparison to what, exactly? What is me going "I don't like this" and kicking and screaming about a filmmaker putting his stamp on the material going to accomplish in the grand scheme of things?.

I feel that I'm pretty fair when I assess a movie, although I don't believe X amount of bad elements equals an entire failure of a movie if a film has a number of positive ones as well.

I mainly enjoy debate, and there are few people more fun and interesting to debate than hyperbolic, venom laced irrational fanboys.

Sure, some of the elements of the movie don't make a lot of sense. But a lot of them do, and people just don't have their heads screwed on tightly.

Notice, I'm not defending the crass, pointless humor, though I think that the second random dog humping shot was hilarious, simply because of it's placement in the film.

 

[Nathan]

I didn't mind that line from Ironhide. He's a soldier who went through tons of ****. I don't mind a little harsh language.

 

[BlackLantern]

when a movie makes this much money....the thinking is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it"...I have an odd feeling there won't be another one

 

[dark_b]

I love to just hear the Autobots talk with each other, as long as they don't talk **** like the Twins. I also like the situational humor, like when Ratchet walks into the electric wires and says "Wow! That was tingly. You should try that." and Ironhides dry reply "Yeah, that looks fun." Or when Prime tells them to hide and Jazz is all like "What, where? Oh, damn... oh, no, man!"

Or my favorite line from the first Movie "The boy's pheromone levels suggests he wants to mate with the female." That line had the entire theater rolling."

I was missing that stuff and only Bumblebee provided a few moments similar to the first Movie.

i remember a lot of people complained that the autobots in this scene looked and sounded to much like kids.
not saying that they dont in the sequel.

but lets say what if the writter thinks :
''in the first movie they didnt like that rachet,jazz and ironhide acted like this. so lets create two young autobots for this kind of humor.''

not saying that they did better, just trying to understand why it was written like that.

 

[The Guard]

I can't be sure, but I think that's the only bit of actual overt humor from Ironhide in the franchise. Most of his remotely humorous lines were "I'm such a warrior I'm going to kill this little dog and the boy's parents" stuff, which wasn't so much funny as it was revealing.

 

[The Guard]

Perhaps I'm unaware of exactly how this all fits together...but how can GM make Bay and the studio use Jolt? Maybe Jolt was one of the cars GM gave him options on, but why did it have to be Jolt?

...now. Ratchet should've been the one to put Jetfire and Prime together. Instead they used Jolt which was stupid seeing as how Ratchet is supposed to be the Autobot doctor. So, yah. I dislike him because GM made Bay have to use him, and also, with a scene that should've belong to Ratchet, instead Ratchet was just telling Jolt what to do.

Well, does Ratchet have electro-hover powers? I actually kind of liked seeing him "walk" Jolt through it, sort of a calm veteran presence in an intense moment.

What i also liked was when Ratchet suggests they left the planet and Ironhide goes "thats not what Prime would have wanted".

Great moment. I have loved these voice actors from the word go.

I love me some topless robot, but they have been bashing the film since day one. The post they put up also has easy answers in it. It's like they acted stupid and asked themselves stupid questions.

Agreed. I notice they don't ask questions like "Why do these uber powerful robots bother to maintain one form instead of many different ones?", and question everything about the basic concept.

He took his spark too quickly so there was no time to talk him out of it. But there was no emotion after that whatsoever.

To be fair, time was kinda of the essence. It's not a good moment for a "let's cradle Jetfire, who Prime has likely never met, and have a tender moment", you know?
I do think it was a nice moment for Jetfire, though, overall.

When Prime dropped the parts, I sort of saw it as an "I'm back, and I don't need these to kick ass" moment, because he didn't. He used them to save the world.

Would it have been nice to see some sort of "We honor Jetfire" moment? Absolutely.

I havent read the comics, but i found it over the top in the movie. SS didnt speak his mind. All he did was bow to Megatron. And if the comics do it this way too, then i am sorry but this is doing it wrong.

You found one giant robot beating another giant robot, after scene after scene of such happening, over the top in a movie about giant robot warriors who turn into things?

What is "wrong" with it, exactly?

Megatron keeps SS in his army because he uses his skills and brain (the same happened with Megatron and that pterodactyl in beast wars). He often punishes him when SS betrays him. Here Megatron was being sadistic and overly abusive for no reason except the first time when Megs was mad for being left for dead.

I'd say that's a pretty damn good reason, one he had to put aside until Starscream helped him take down Prime. Starscream abandoned him, and probably wouldn't have returned for him had the others not done so.

I would have been happier if in the rest of the scenes it was limited to verbal exchange and scornful remarks. The worst part was in the end where SS suggested they retreated. The way he did it made it look like he was on his knees kissing Megatron's feet.

He was.

That's Starscream. He's capable, but he's also a coward at heart. Which is why in the comics, people are constantly saying things like "Starscream, you coward!"

So anyway, would you care to give more details about their relationship in the comics?

I think Wikipedia nails it:

Due to his treachery and personality, he has had many future characters within the franchise to bear his name, some of which share his desire to become leader of the Decepticons. Starscream has, at some points, had control over the Decepticons, but his actions usually lead him to being defeated, or overruled by the more powerful Megatron. Starscream makes no secret of his ambition to overthrow Megatron as leader of the Decepticons. He is more intelligent than the average Decepticon, ruthless, and cruel, but he is also unlikely to directly act on his ultimate ambition without assurance of conditions favorable to his ascension. He considers himself vastly superior to other Decepticons, and looks down on Megatron for being antiquated in his military strategy and tactics. Starscream believes that the Decepticons should rely more on guile and speed rather than brute destructive force to defeat the Autobots, although when he is given the chance to strike out on his own, he is often less successful than Megatron. Megatron frequently overlooks the potential threat that Starscream represents, though it is occasionally suggested Megatron tolerates his presence for various reasons, such as a grudging respect for his scheming nature or a mere safety precaution to keep an eye on him. However, Starscream often exhausts Megatron's patience quickly; violent-yet-brief verbal and/or physical conflicts are not uncommon between the two.

That's about as deep as it usually gets. Starscream wants to be in command, Megatron treats him with scorn, occassionally recognizing Starscream as a capable potential threat to his command. Megatron beats on Starscream, who bides his time. I'm guessing in the third film there will be something major between them when Starscream has someone (Shockwave, most likely) to ally with against his commander. I suspect they're saving his major "treachery" for the third movie.

Megatron helped a lot, but was damaged and thrown out of the battle. When he stood up the Fallen was already dead, so there was no point in fighting Prime as SS suggested.

I don't remember.

But again...we saw Megatron be pretty capable, even if he had to be deceptive and dishonorable. If he was knocked out in the final battle, that says more about the capabilities of the autobots and the army (which is sort of the point, isn't it?) than it does about Megatron himself.

Megatron was too loyal for his own good. Even if he shared the Fallen's goal, he should have been lusting for his place and his power. And i hated the forced "apprentice" remarks. They werent needed and they were really throwing us back to Star Wars.

Megatron's too a lot of things for his own good. Clearly he wasn't that loyal, though, in the end. It's always kind of been that way. I think that's a very direct and intentional homage to Star Wars.

 

[Mr. Earle]

since the numbers are so high you think it will happen?
i hope Spielberg will see the reviews and join Bay in 3 years again.

How is ROTF doing in the box office anyway? Give me a comparison to another superhero film so that i can understand the sums if you can.

My point is that if it does better than the first, then Bay will consider it a success and he wont accept anybody over him. Its a pride thing anyway. Only if he ****s up will he break under the studios' pressure.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I didn't mind that line from Ironhide. He's a soldier who went through tons of ****. I don't mind a little harsh language.

I was bothered mostly because of the slang. Isnt that what kids say these days?

When Prime dropped the parts, I sort of saw it as an "I'm back, and I don't need these to kick ass" moment, because he didn't. He used them to save the world.

It seemed to me like he was better with those parts so it made no sense. They could have just taken them off because they were rotting anyway or something. Or, the best version in my mind would be if Jetfire climbed on Optimus and they merged, both their sparks and their bodies just like the constructicons did. The toy works that way anyway. After the battle Jetfire is dying, so they split and Jetfire has a few seconds of life. He says a few words like "it was an honour" and Prime and the others thank him. So you get both a goodbye scene for him and a convenient way to take those parts off. Ratchet and Jolt can help the merging since Jetfire and Prime were NOT designed to combine.

You found one giant robot beating another giant robot, after scene after scene of such happening, over the top in a movie about giant robot warriors who turn into things?

What is "wrong" with it, exactly?

I found wrong how Bay beat us over the head with it. Yeah Bay we got how Megatron is beating SS.

I'd say that's a pretty damn good reason, one he had to put aside until Starscream helped him take down Prime. Starscream abandoned him, and probably wouldn't have returned for him had the others not done so.

Read my post again. Thats exactly what i said. It was the only time he was justified. On the skyscraper he could have just scorned him. And i didnt like how scared SS was. He is supposed to be in Megatron's face, constantly challenging his decisions until Megatron gets mad and beats him. Here, he was afraid to even speak because megatron was gonna beat him anyways.

Megatron frequently overlooks the potential threat that Starscream represents, though it is occasionally suggested Megatron tolerates his presence for various reasons, such as a grudging respect for his scheming nature or a mere safety precaution to keep an eye on him. However, Starscream often exhausts Megatron's patience quickly; violent-yet-brief verbal and/or physical conflicts are not uncommon between the two.

Nice article, but look at this abstract. It says that Megatron tolerates him for various reasons up until he gets annoyed. And its spot on. So he doesnt use him as a punching bag for no reason as the movie showed. The only thing that SS did wrong was leave Megs to die. He didnt challenge, confront or speak against him. He couldnt breath when he was near him. So to sum up:
1) Starscream way too scared to even challenge or annoy Megatron
2) Megatron had no real reason (other than being left to die), so he beat him for the rest of the movie anyway to please the fans.

 

[dark_b]

How is ROTF doing in the box office anyway? Give me a comparison to another superhero film so that i can understand the sums if you can.

My point is that if it does better than the first, then Bay will consider it a success and he wont accept anybody over him. Its a pride thing anyway. Only if he ****s up will he break under the studios' pressure.

dude ROTF is doing fantastic

plus its like the worst reviewed BO hit.

 

[BlackLantern]

How is ROTF doing in the box office anyway? Give me a comparison to another superhero film so that i can understand the sums if you can.

My point is that if it does better than the first, then Bay will consider it a success and he wont accept anybody over him. Its a pride thing anyway. Only if he ****s up will he break under the studios' pressure.

$201 million its first five days

 

[LostSon88]

Which again shows that critics really are out of touch with today's generation of moviegoers...

 

[BlackLantern]

Which again shows that critics really are out of touch with today's generation of moviegoers...

I don't agree with that....i think its because Tranformers is such a specific genre movie that most critics don't know how to respond to it....how many other movies these days have giant robots punching each other and blowing things up?? some of them are just self important *******s who don't like to associate with the common folk

 

[Mr. Earle]

$201 million its first five days

i suppose thats good. But since i am not so accustomed to box office numbers, could someone compare it to the dark knight, or pirates, or spiderman, etc?
Is it supposed to be "good", "very good", "awesome" box office?

 

[Godman]

If there was a way to get your money back if you dislike a movie, Hollywood would be a totally different place. That's why you can't really judge a movie's entertainment value by ticket sales alone cuz you kinda have to pay to see it; whether you end up liking it or not.

so ****ing true dude. u nailed it right. All these morons who use financial profit as a means to judge the value of something are the ones who keep making these uncreative or innovative hollywood producers believe in a mediocre product.

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it? Why were mud Flap and Skids given no reason to exist with no back story or nothing. Transformers could be a very deep movie if they wanted like The Dark Knight, but they chose to make industry standard kaboom **** with immature humor. Last I recalled in the 80s they used to make movie for kids but smart enough for adults. Robocop, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Goonies, Gremlins, ET etc all had super depth. Even the transformers cartoons were deeper and had more depth. This movie was real good with the ancient mayan and egyptian them which is very ill to me, but that got lost in the humor and excessive human screen time. It's not called SAM and the transformers. It's called Transformers. Wasn't Optimus Prime the STAR and lead character?

It's like making april o'neal be the key savior in a Turtles movie which is STUPID!!!!! she is a side character with minimal screen time. That's why the last turtles movie was weak. April fighting???? It's about the TURTLES just like this was about the TRANSFORMERS!!!!! more decepticon vs us army than decepticons vs the autobots was happening. Human battle last for a quarter of the movie and Optimus return battle lasts less than 3 minutes against the most powerful decepticons???

 

[chaseter]

i suppose thats good. But since i am not so accustomed to box office numbers, could someone compare it to the dark knight, or pirates, or spiderman, etc?
Is it supposed to be "good", "very good", "awesome" box office?

Second biggest opening of all time and will probably be the 3rd, 4th, or 5th biggest world wide earner of all time. Titanic and TDK are first and second.

 

[BlackLantern]

for 5 days, that is a phenomenal draw and considering the movie probably cost that much or more to produce anything made from this week forward is considered profit...I went to a noon showing this afternoon and the theater was about half full....and thats on a Monday

 

[SsM]

so ****ing true dude. u nailed it right. All these morons who use financial profit as a means to judge the value of something are the ones who keep making these uncreative or innovative hollywood producers believe in a mediocre product.

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it? Why were mud Flap and Skids given no reason to exist with no back story or nothing. Transformers could be a very deep movie if they wanted like The Dark Knight, but they chose to make industry standard kaboom **** with immature humor. Last I recalled in the 80s they used to make movie for kids but smart enough for adults. Robocop, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Goonies, Gremlins, ET etc all had super depth. Even the transformers cartoons were deeper and had more depth. This movie was real good with the ancient mayan and egyptian them which is very ill to me, but that got lost in the humor and excessive human screen time. It's not called SAM and the transformers. It's called Transformers. Wasn't Optimus Prime the STAR and lead character?

It's like making april o'neal be the key savior in a Turtles movie which is STUPID!!!!! she is a side character with minimal screen time. That's why the last turtles movie was weak. April fighting???? It's about the TURTLES just like this was about the TRANSFORMERS!!!!! more decepticon vs us army than decepticons vs the autobots was happening. Human battle last for a quarter of the movie and Optimus return battle lasts less than 3 minutes against the most powerful decepticons???

I was taking you seriously up until that point, your argument lost all credibility there.

 

[chaseter]

so ****ing true dude. u nailed it right. All these morons who use financial profit as a means to judge the value of something are the ones who keep making these uncreative or innovative hollywood producers believe in a mediocre product.

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it? Why were mud Flap and Skids given no reason to exist with no back story or nothing. Transformers could be a very deep movie if they wanted like The Dark Knight, but they chose to make industry standard kaboom **** with immature humor. Last I recalled in the 80s they used to make movie for kids but smart enough for adults. Robocop, Rambo, Indiana Jones, Goonies, Gremlins, ET etc all had super depth. Even the transformers cartoons were deeper and had more depth. This movie was real good with the ancient mayan and egyptian them which is very ill to me, but that got lost in the humor and excessive human screen time. It's not called SAM and the transformers. It's called Transformers. Wasn't Optimus Prime the STAR and lead character?

It's like making april o'neal be the key savior in a Turtles movie which is STUPID!!!!! she is a side character with minimal screen time. That's why the last turtles movie was weak. April fighting???? It's about the TURTLES just like this was about the TRANSFORMERS!!!!! more decepticon vs us army than decepticons vs the autobots was happening. Human battle last for a quarter of the movie and Optimus return battle lasts less than 3 minutes against the most powerful decepticons???

I agree with most of this but if every movie was like TDK, I would quit going to the movies. Not every movie should be like TDK or compared to TDK. TDK isn't the best movie of all time nor the last decade.

This movie is about Sam though. He is the lead character. That would be like calling TDK, "Batman and Company, and Joker."

 

[BlackLantern]

at its base...this is a toy line...cartoons and comics were spawned of it, but it is still a toy line consisting of giant robots that turn into vehicles

 

[Mr. Earle]

at its base...this is a toy line...cartoons and comics were spawned of it, but it is still a toy line consisting of giant robots that turn into vehicles

Thats a lame arguement. Pirates were based on a train ride in Disneyland and it was a great movie. A masterpiece if you compare it to this ****.
Give a break, the base can be anything. Its what you do with it that counts.

Second biggest opening of all time and will probably be the 3rd, 4th, or 5th biggest world wide earner of all time. Titanic and TDK are first and second.

That good huh? Really? Btw, which movie made the best opening of all time?