Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[BlackLantern]

best opening is still 'Spider-Man' I think, but overall BO take is 'Titanic'

 

[Mr. Earle]

I agree with most of this but if every movie was like TDK, I would quit going to the movies. Not every movie should be like TDK or compared to TDK. TDK isn't the best movie of all time nor the last decade.

This movie is about Sam though. He is the lead character. That would be like calling TDK, "Batman and Company, and Joker."

Its not because TDK isnt the best movie of all time. Its because it would get boring if every movie was like the best movie of all time, whichever it was.

Ironman wasnt like TDK but it was still ****ing brilliant. TF scored on the difficult areas, like action and CGI and lost badly on somethings that are less costly, like story and characters. Is a decent...decent not oscar worthy mind you... plot and character development so hard to achieve?

 

[dark_b]

i suppose thats good. But since i am not so accustomed to box office numbers, could someone compare it to the dark knight, or pirates, or spiderman, etc?
Is it supposed to be "good", "very good", "awesome" box office?

well it almost broke some TDK record.

 

[Godman]

I agree with most of this but if every movie was like TDK, I would quit going to the movies. Not every movie should be like TDK or compared to TDK. TDK isn't the best movie of all time nor the last decade.

This movie is about Sam though. He is the lead character. That would be like calling TDK, "Batman and Company, and Joker."

My point being was that OPTIMUS PRIME was the lead character in the show and toy line so why is Sam being made the center point? I actually hoped he were to die and stay dead in the movie. How glorious that would have been, but that's just cause i got tired of him always being on camera. I hate this direction they took personally. Of course it is a money maker choice, but besides that I can't stand the lack of innovation in the human boy savior idea. Optimus came and asked him for help???? WTF???? I prefer Spike in the cartoon. Anyway what I was saying about The Dark Knight was that it was taken seriously enough to wear kids weren't the thought when it was being made. From the humor to the depth. Dialogue was mastered and script was written for those who think. Transformers had too many holes and felt like they came up with action scenes and wrote a plot around them.

Not everymovie should be taken like The Dark Knight or made like that, but should have the same target audience and depth. Even ET had more depth and was smartly written. All the indiana Jones movie to star wars were and are VERY deep movies and well written for ALL audiences not just teenage humor. Like if u are over 20 half that **** would just come off as uncomfortable humor at how blatantly childish they wrote and though of it. It was a fun and entertaining movie, but so was dark knight. Just smarter. Transformers has a premise to be very smart and at times it is, but only at times.

 

[BlackLantern]

Thats a lame arguement. Pirates were based on a train ride in Disneyland and it was a great movie. A masterpiece if you compare it to this ****.
Give a break, the base can be anything. Its what you do with it that counts.

...but there is nothing stating that Dreamworks has to use anything from the cartoons or comics...Hasbro (who owns Transformers) ok'd the story for both films...I was actually surprised they even used the concepts of The Matrix of Leadership and Energon

 

[Erzengel]

Pirates a great movie?

 

[CelticPredator]

Hell yeah it is! Hot chicks, boobs, sex, witty sexy one liners...Pirates rocks!

 

[SsM]

There's only one "hot" chick in the movie.

 

[Erzengel]

Hell yeah it is! Hot chicks, boobs, sex, witty sexy one liners...Pirates rocks!

Yeah, I'm wondering how Keira Knightley is able to stand upright with the guns she sports.

 

[BlackLantern]

not every movie needs to be a stirring, reinventing the wheel type effort....some people have Transforrmers up on a pedastal...Ive gone back and watched some of the original cartoons, they haven't aged well

 

[SsM]

I liked Armada. The first half a dozen episodes were bad but it gradually got better and better.

 

[Godman]

Its not because TDK isnt the best movie of all time. Its because it would get boring if every movie was like the best movie of all time, whichever it was.

Ironman wasnt like TDK but it was still ****ing brilliant. TF scored on the difficult areas, like action and CGI and lost badly on somethings that are less costly, like story and characters. Is a decent...decent not oscar worthy mind you... plot and character development so hard to achieve?

Ironman lost steam in the last quarter. Good movie, but far from brilliant due to stereotype Arabs which was STUPID. Arabs don't have no "rule the world" ideas. They are out to prove their point of freedom from the major conglomerate religion and governments. In this Iraq war they are not the bad guys, it's America who invaded them with no probable cause. Ironman could have gone more in depth but ended up being the typical greedy bad guy plot. I didn't feel a threat in ironman. The Joker is one of the most diabolic characters to date in movie history. He just wanted anarchy and that is one hell of a ****ing threat. A villain with no set goal but to bring the worst out of humanity. Yikes. Villains out for money are redundant and out to rule the world are redundant. We need better well fleshed out villain plots now. out to rule the world isn't bad, but WHY? Watchmen had one of the greatest villain yet non villainous plots written. Pure genius. Star Wars has more depth in the villains. All indiana Jones villains had good plots. So why are we in 2009 and still have redundant ****!!!!!!?????

They had the technology to absorb "SUNS"?????!!!! but no technological superiority that would enable then to wipe out the puny fleshly beings and kill Sam, the us army, and them in a matter of seconds????!!!! stupid plot.

 

[Godman]

...but there is nothing stating that Dreamworks has to use anything from the cartoons or comics...Hasbro (who owns Transformers) ok'd the story for both films...I was actually surprised they even used the concepts of The Matrix of Leadership and Energon

yea just to end up being wishy washy with it and **** it all up by clustering the movie with other overly unnecessary junk. The movie was long for no reason. I was done with the story after optimus died. All i wanted to see was his revival and I didn't care about the threat or anything else. I didn't care if Sam came back or not. See the first movie he just happened to be the right place at the right time or wrong place at the wrong time and it worked. I had hoped the next movie would go more in depth with the Transformers in general, but no. It tries to make it more sophisticated by adding the ancient scribes concept. Thatwas all nice and cool, but the excessive human interaction and screen time took away from the aw inspiring theology being the ideas that inspired the movie.

 

[roach]

you know Im pretty sure Sparkplug was more than a bit player in the cartoon

 

[BlackLantern]

I will agree that it was about 20 minutes longer than it really needed to be

 

[Godman]

not every movie needs to be a stirring, reinventing the wheel type effort....some people have Transforrmers up on a pedastal...Ive gone back and watched some of the original cartoons, they haven't aged well

because it was american saturday morning animation. seems japan got the right formula to do pure anime that still looks good today. I watched robotech and it's still good enough for american animation today. Transformers wasn't pure anime. If u watch the silver hawks and thundercats intro animations they are fantastic even today. but the show it's self was only key drawn here and then shipped of to fill in animation in japan. Avatar is the best animated saturday morning type cartoon amerca has ever had in my opinion. That's if it is actually animated here.

 

[SsM]

Sparkplug was in the movie?!

 

[Godman]

I will agree that it was about 20 minutes longer than it really needed to be

20 minutes of human screentime that was irrelevant. All transformers bits were great in the movie besides the final battle against the humans and optimus's weak finale.

 

[BlackLantern]

because it was american saturday morning animation. seems japan got the right formula to do pure anime that still looks good today. I watched robotech and it's still good enough for american animation today. Transformers wasn't pure anime. If u watch the silver hawks and thundercats intro animations they are fantastic even today. but the show it's self was only key drawn here and then shipped of to fill in animation in japan. Avatar is the best animated saturday morning type cartoon amerca has ever had in my opinion. That's if it is actually animated here.

my OnDemand has ThunderCats and IMO hasn't aged well either...you can see color floating outside of outlines and all that

 

[Godman]

not every movie needs to be a stirring, reinventing the wheel type effort....some people have Transforrmers up on a pedastal...Ive gone back and watched some of the original cartoons, they haven't aged well

that's where i disagree. I feel every movie that is almost three hours long needs to be some stirring, reinventing, innovative **** or shouldn't be made.

Why are these directors paid so much to make mediocre ********???? It better be some hell of an experience. Even Cloverfield tried something new and different which was enthralling to see if u have any art direction whatsoever.

Like why so many folks think we will NEVER get another Michael Jackson, which so far has held too true, is because nobody is inventive anymore and play a SAFE zone game. They don't pull out all the shots. Michael Jordan, Kobe Bryant, and Shaq did some **** that puts them in their own category and has them remembered for decades to come. Transformers will be one of them, "did u ever watch that old transformers movie????" compared to Bruce lee's enter the dragon or The Matrix where if someone hasn't watched those most folks are like "are u ****ing serious????"

 

[Godman]

my OnDemand has ThunderCats and IMO hasn't aged well either...you can see color floating outside of outlines and all that

exactly, but the INTRO videos are great even now

 

[BlackLantern]

that's where i disagree. I feel every movie that is almost three hours long needs to be some stirring, reinventing, innovative **** or shouldn't be made.

sometimes you get that and sometimes you get The Godfather III

Why are these directors paid so much to make mediocre ********???? It better be some hell of an experience. Even Cloverfield tried something new and different which was enthralling to see if u have any art direction whatsoever.

well when the mediocre **** makes 725 mil like the first film did, it tends to shape studios opinions as to what works....I loved Cloverfield as well

 

[Mr. Earle]

Pirates a great movie?

Yes it was. The humor, settings, plot, actors, action were all great.

Yeah, I'm wondering how Keira Knightley is able to stand upright with the guns she sports.

Yes indeed she has no boobs. Such a hot face and accent though!

As for the general conversation, i think that its good that Bay keeps the humans in the game and especially Sam. The army is faceless and even if we know Lennox, we dont really care for him as much as Sam. Human screen time costs less and it also lifts some of the pressure that the CGI robots create. My eyes were tired of the explosions and the sun flare on the robots after a while. And i was really depressed by that lunar base of the Fallen's. Goddamn!

In my view, the franchise should always include some humans. This time they imprinted some valuable info into Sam's brain to get him in the game, i am curious as to what will be their trick in the sequel.

 

[Mr. Earle]

What i mean is that i dont mind a human subplot, even one that is used as comedy relief. And if anything, Sam's arc in ROTF was good. He refused to help Prime, then felt sorry for it, then fate called him, etc. I liked it.

Sam, Mikaela and Simmons should stay even if the sequels take us to Cybertron. I cant believe it, but damn i loved wacky Simmons. Right when he is trying to convince the commander of a carrier to help him he says something like "i am under the enemy's scrotum". It was hilarious because it was so out of the blue but oh so natural for him!

 

[chaseter]

Its not because TDK isnt the best movie of all time. Its because it would get boring if every movie was like the best movie of all time, whichever it was.

Ironman wasnt like TDK but it was still ****ing brilliant. TF scored on the difficult areas, like action and CGI and lost badly on somethings that are less costly, like story and characters. Is a decent...decent not oscar worthy mind you... plot and character development so hard to achieve?

Comparing every movie to TDK makes it seem like TDK is the best movie ever, which it isn't. After Jurassic Park, I didn't compare every movie to that

Iron Man was great but I guarantee you someone said that they wished it were more like TDK. It is annoying hearing people say, TDK this...TDK that. TDK was a superhero crime drama. Transformers is a sci-fi robot action movie. The two should not be compared period.