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What i mean is that i dont mind a human subplot, even one that is used as comedy relief. And if anything, Sam's arc in ROTF was good. He refused to help Prime, then felt sorry for it, then fate called him, etc. I liked it.

Sam, Mikaela and Simmons should stay even if the sequels take us to Cybertron. I cant believe it, but damn i loved wacky Simmons. Right when he is trying to convince the commander of a carrier to help him he says something like "i am under the enemy's scrotum". It was hilarious because it was so out of the blue but oh so natural for him!

seriously???? dude SAM wasn't the subplot. The Transformers were the subplot and Sam was the main character. Stupid ****!!!!
 
Comparing every movie to TDK makes it seem like TDK is the best movie ever, which it isn't. After Jurassic Park, I didn't compare every movie to that:huh:

Iron Man was great but I guarantee you someone said that they wished it were more like TDK. It is annoying hearing people say, TDK this...TDK that. TDK was a superhero crime drama. Transformers is a sci-fi robot action movie. The two should not be compared period.

yes they can be compared on a technical level which is what people are saying, or at least i am. Cinematography, to dialogue, to plots and subplots, to character development etc... everything in Batman was positioned well and appropriate towards the point of the main goal the director intended with the story telling. Transformers has MAJOR scenes i can cut out and u would get a better movie. Transformers dialogue was too immature even compared to the first one. The transformers all acted stupid besides Optimus. Bumble Bee crying???? what the **** would they need tears for??? and he has tear ducts???? stupid ass ****!!!!
 
yes they can be compared on a technical level which is what people are saying, or at least i am. Cinematography, to dialogue, to plots and subplots, to character development etc... everything in Batman was positioned well and appropriate towards the point of the main goal the director intended with the story telling. Transformers has MAJOR scenes i can cut out and u would get a better movie. Transformers dialogue was too immature even compared to the first one. The transformers all acted stupid besides Optimus. Bumble Bee crying???? what the **** would they need tears for??? and he has tear ducts???? stupid ass ****!!!!

TDK iz teh awesomest:whatever:
seems like your only gripe with TF2 was that it wasnt TDK
 
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Pirates 1 was a great movie. Pirates 2 was ok and Pirates 3 was pretty bleh.
I agree.

Back to TF:
I give some credit to Bay for some of his scenes that had great photography.
1) The fallen and the stunts he pulled on top of the pyramid
2) shanghai
3) the shot of mikaela's face over sam's body with the chopper flying over her
4) finale on the plane carrier
5) Every shot of Devastator
etc...

The thing is that i have never seen action and photography as amazing as that and Favreau or Nolan (to name the best ones in the geek movies) havent produced a spectacle so amazing. And i mean just the sheer size, colour, and **** blowing up that bay brought.

So i want Spielberg alone or Spielberg with Bay to do the third. I want them to take their time. Marvel has a ****ton of movies to keep us entertained till then (not that they care for us but their pockets... lol). Have the sequel start right after the end of this film with a Prime speech which recaps and fixes some plot holes. Like what the hell is up with the primes and prime himself and all that? If it were comics i would ask for a major retcon on all that stuff, or the easy way the fallen was beaten through punches (only a prime can defeat him my ass).

Then the story should go to cybertron. The autobots sneak there to free some of their comrades. But the story should then focus on earth (because it would be sterile on cybertron. Its an ugly ass planet anyway). Sam, Mikaela and Simmons return of course.

They can also introduce the dinobots in a clever way: Their robot forms dont resemble the human body but that of dinosaurs. So Sam names them dinobots. So you have a robot that looks like a T-Rex that turns into a truck. How's that? Because i cant find a reason for a robot to turn into a mechanical dinosaur to disguise itself or for any other practical reason.

I got carried away...
 
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i think they had the perfect oportunity to have the Dinobots be apart of the battle with the Fallen back when the Transformers first get here
 
I personally hope lame Bay stays away from the next film....and Spielberg takes over the directors chair.

A Tranformers film directed by Steven Spielberg would equal a TRUE epic and not some lame unbalanced popcorn film that is aimed at making 10-20 years olds happy.
 
It seemed to me like he was better with those parts so it made no sense.

The entire point is that he wants to be himself. That he was back.

I found wrong how Bay beat us over the head with it. Yeah Bay we got how Megatron is beating SS.

How does one avoid beating you over the head with such an unsubtle plot point as a literal beating? If you'd read the comics, while you still might not like it, you would understand why fans were thrilled to see this happen in the movie.

Read my post again. Thats exactly what i said. It was the only time he was justified. On the skyscraper he could have just scorned him. And i didnt like how scared SS was. He is supposed to be in Megatron's face, constantly challenging his decisions until Megatron gets mad and beats him. Here, he was afraid to even speak because megatron was gonna beat him anyways.

He's beating him precisely because Starscream left him to die. Because Starscream is a ****up who Megatron feels deserves to be punished. Megatron was biding his time throughout the movie, pretending to ignore Starscream's offense, using Starscream to his own ends, until he no longer needed to.

You don't like how afraid Starscream was? Then I guess you don't like Starscream. Because once again, Starscream is at heart, a coward. Megatron is one of the cruelest, most powerful Transformers ever. Why wouldn't Starscream be scared of him then, since he is A, a coward, and B, at Megatron's mercy?

Nice article, but look at this abstract. It says that Megatron tolerates him for various reasons up until he gets annoyed. And its spot on. So he doesnt use him as a punching bag for no reason as the movie showed. The only thing that SS did wrong was leave Megs to die. He didnt challenge, confront or speak against him. He couldnt breath when he was near him. So to sum up

Do you not understand why that would piss Megatron off?

Transformers was clustered and had very foolish humor at times. Why would Optimus Prime need to tell Tyrese to cool it?

Because he recognized Epps was about to lose his temper. I loved that. Subtle little "I do care what the humans do, and I understand the politics here" moment. And then Prime takes care of business for his fellow soldiers by confronting what's his face.

My point being was that OPTIMUS PRIME was the lead character in the show and toy line so why is Sam being made the center point?

Because giant transforming robots are expensive as hell to render. This movie cost $200 million, thanks to Bay's connections. A movie with robots at the forefront, all the time, would likely double that and take twice as long to release. In a perfect world, that wouldn't be an issue, but it is in this one.
 
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I finally managed to get past my blinding rage and crushing despair and was able to write a full review. Enjoy.

Oh, this movie is bad. It is one of the most aggressively unpleasant and disastrously awful movies I have seen in a very, very long time. It’s taken me a while to get a proper review down simply because my mind has been boggling over this movie. It is an unmitigated catastrophe; I don’t think I can even call it a movie, to be honest. It is a product that thrashes, writhes, and spasms on screen with great sound and fury. They should show this to film students as an example of how not to make a movie. It is, as Jim Emerson so eloquently stated, anti-movie. Now I know what you’re thinking, “Hey, it was filmed and it had actors and stuff happened on screen, it’s a movie!” unfortunately “Transformers 2: Revenge of the Fallen” does not do anything that a movie – especially a summer blockbuster- is supposed to do. Simply put: it does not entertain, it does not engage the audiences’ imagination, it does not thrill, it has no legitimate or substantive narrative, etc. etc. It is not a movie. It is a product that the audience can simply watch, unengaged, as the pretty special effects and big ol’ Michael Baysplosions litter the screen. The characters? Idiots. There is not a single competent, likable, or respectable character in this movie. Not one. They are paper-thin crayon drawings whose sole purpose in the film is to watch as computer animated robots duke it out with no particular sense of consequence, importance, or dread.
For example, the films main baddie is known as the Fallen (Tony Todd), he’s an ancient Cybertronian conqueror who falls from the grace of his brothers, the Primes, when he decides that he wants to eradicate the human race for no particular reason. Apparently John Milton was actually talking about big ass alien robots and not angels and demons. At least that’s what I assume, since the Transformers apparently have their own vaguely implied theological system. I’ll get to that later; as I was saying, the Fallen decides to make his presence known to every country on the planet. He announces that he’s come to Earth and the planet will be in for it unless the human race surrenders Sam Witwicky (Shia LaBeouf). Now, this reminded me of a similar scene from last year’s “The Dark Knight”. In the scene the Joker addresses Gotham city, saying that unless they kill some nebbish Waynecorp accountant, he’ll start blowing up hospitals. Understandably everyone in Gotham freaks the **** out and tries to hunt down this businessman. What does the population of the world do when confronted by the presence of an unspeakable alien menace? They basically go about their business and don’t even bother to hunt for Sam. In the next scene there are actually people standing around in a deli with Sam in full view, and none of them are even the slightest bit concerned about the days events. Such is the narrative structure of this film. Significant events are not fleshed out completely, they are established and then right as the film begins to run with them it moves on to something completely different! Eventually this is enough to fry ones brain, and I gave up trying to rationalize anything that was happening on screen.
Michael Bay displays his massive ego and utter incompetence in many other ways as well. Since this film is essentially a two and a half hour Michael Bay ego trip, I guess he figured that he didn’t have to bother making a proper movie. Want an example of why Michael Bay is an incompetent visual director? Look no further than the scene in the beginning of the film where Sam says goodbye to his improbably hot girlfriend Mikaela before going of to college. As they speak the camera circles around the back of one actors head, then the other, then back again, and repeats this cycle until it swirls all the way around both actors. Why did Michael Bay do this? What purpose does it serve other than to show off and make the audience dizzy? The only explanation I can think of is that Michael Bay and his DP decided that they would show off all the cool stuff they could do with the camera and make the entire audience incredibly conscious of the fact that there’s a cinematographer at work. The fact that they chose to do this during an ostensibly tender moment makes it even more bewildering. No doubt Bay’s rabid supporters will eat up this silly and disorienting technique and cite it as an example of Bay’s incredible visual prowess, but they’re the kind of people who are impressed with shiny things regardless of any actual quality or substance. Here’s another weird shot for you: during the big ol’ final battle in Egypt, Sam and Mikaela are hiding out in some dilapidated building (I assume an abandoned home). Sam looks through a hole in the wall to monitor the action going on outside, so we zoom through the hole to witness the action as well. Therefore, everything we see should be what Sam’s witnessing, since that was the purpose of the set up and the shot, right? As Lex Luthor would say, “WRONG!” We somehow end up on the other side of the building when we’re supposed to be done watching the action because the camera zooms back in through a keyhole that is directly behind Sam. Why do something like that? I guess because Michael Bay thought it would be super cool to have the camera zoom through a CG keyhole. Whee. Oh, did I forget to mention the cavemen? In the very beginning of the film, we learn that the transformer aliens first visited earth in prehistoric times. The Fallen and his brothers the Primes came to earth, and we see caveman stare in awe at their presence. Then we get some confusing – but unintentionally hilarious – slow motion shots of the cavemen, and we even get to see a closeup of one neanderthal’s pearly whites. That’s right, even in prehistoric times people had brilliantly white teeth. Do you have a headache yet? I did, and it was only about thirty seconds in at that point.
Let’s move on, shall we? Now I’ll address the most unpleasant and deplorable aspect of the film: it’s stabs at so called “humor”. Michael Bay proves that he has the sense of humor of a 12 year old boy when we first see Sam’s two dog’s humping each other. He proves that he has the sense of humor of 7 year old when he cuts back to the two dogs humping again for no reason whatsoever during a sequence that had absolutely nothing to do with them. He just thinks that two dogs humping is funny. Ha ha. Then there’s Skids and Mudflap (Tom Kenny and Reno Wilson, respectively). A lot has been said about these two already, so I’m not going in to very much detail about it. Although I will say this: it’s 2009 and Michael Bay still thinks minstrelsy is funny. A robo-minstrel show is fun for the whole family! Also, the robots use words like “*****” and “dumbass” and “*****”.
There’s lots of profanity and decidedly un-kid friendly material here. Michael Bay’s treatment of women in the film is no less deplorable. When Sam arrives at college, every single girl on campus looks like a Maxim super-****. They all act like ****es as well, especially during the icky scene where Rainn Wilson cameos as a sleazy college professor who hits on his female students with not-so-subtle innuendos. How do the Maxim super-****s respond? By licking their lips seductively, of course! Because in Michael Bay-land, all women are sleazy sex objects who exist solely to be eye candy for the men while they go off and do manly things. Predictably, Megan Fox’s boobs and ass are front and center for most of the film. I think it’s also worth noting that Michael Bay’s notorious love for shoot ‘em up warmongering has not diminished. Quite the opposite in fact; large portions of the film are essentially a glorified Army recruitment commercial. Bay also shameless rips off Terminator 2, the Matrix, and there are subtle undertones of freaky Cronenbergian body horror when Megatron (Hugo Weaving) tortures Sam by letting a creepy crawly Decepticon go through his nose and enter the soft tissue of his brain. More fun for the whole family! Oh, and I would be remiss if I didn’t mention that the creepy little Decepticon Wheelie humps Megan Fox’s leg, and she doesn’t mind at all! John Tuturro reprises his role from the first film, and when his character is paired with Sam’s roommate Leo (Ramon Rodriguez) the two make up the most annoying duo in the history of motion pictures. Not only do we get to see John Tuturro’s ass, good ol’ Leo gets tazed in the testicles. And he cries, and whines, and shouts, and generally makes you wish he would get squashed by one of the robots at any moment. Speaking of testicles Devestator has giant, 2,000 pound robo-balls. Don’t ask me why. Oh, and Jetfire is so old that he has a beard and a cane. Don’t ask me how that’s possible, or why when his parachute ejects it makes a fart noise.

Is there any saving grace to this movie at all? Almost. Optimus Prime provides fleeting moments of what might be described as joy. Too bad he’s dead for two thirds of the ****ing movie. But he provides the one enjoyable moment in the movie (not scene, there is not a single good scene in the film) when he beats the **** out of Starscream while fighting him along with Megatron and some unidentified Decepticon apparently called Grindor. The movie doesn’t bother clarifying on a lot of things like the names of places and transformers. Just because you can look it up on Wikipedia doesn’t mean it was explained in the film, by the by. But yes, the only moment that made me smile even a little was that single fleeting one where Optimus got to be Optimus, kicking Decepticon ass and taking names. Yes, this movie is atrocious; it is an absolute, unquestionable failure devoid of structure or value. Did I mention that the acting is terrible? The acting is terrible. Especially from Megan Fox, who apparently was never taught how to make facial expressions besides “vacant stare” or “seductive look”. This movie is making and will make a **** ton of money because it’s easy and cheap and vulgar and stupid. The movie going public has proven that they would rather spend their ticket money on an unbearably long and boring piece of product rather than a movie. Whether this bloated monstrosity will mark the end of processed summer trash or the beginning of a new era of disgusting filmmaking waits to be seen. Until then, those of us left with taste and dignity must hold out with solidarity and hope that Hollywood will make more TDK’s and less ROTF(L).

0/10
 
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Did you even read my review? I explained that I found almost nothing of value in it. :huh:
 
ya I read your review...hence I still cant see how you can give it a 0/10
 
I gave it a 3/10 myself. The first movie was a 5/10.
 
ya I read your review...hence I still cant see how you can give it a 0/10
Why? I explained in detail that there was virtually nothing good about the movie aside from a single moment. I articulated no positive feelings about the film. Why in God's name would I give it anything more than a 0 if I spent several paragraphs explaining how I thought the film was worthless? OK, since you apparently know more about what my review says than I do, what do you think I should have given it based on the content of my review?
 
Why? I explained in detail that there was virtually nothing good about the movie aside from a single moment. I articulated no positive feelings about the film. Why in God's name would I give it anything more than a 0 if I spent several paragraphs explaining how I thought the film was worthless? OK, since you apparently know more about what my review says than I do, what do you think I should have given it based on the content of my review?
why so mad? I didnt say I know more about your review than you do what are you talking about? Im saying I disagree with your rating still after reading your review
 
I didnt like the movie but I dont see how you can give it a 0/10

the fact u sit through the entire thing to be able to judge it means something kept u there cause u can walk out mid way and get ur money back. So it can not be a zero. Were the visual effect also garbage??? if u like or were entertained by a single thing then it can not be a zero
 
why so mad? I didnt say I know more about your review than you do what are you talking about? Im saying I disagree with your rating still after reading your review
Because you're implying that my review somehow reflects a score higher than 0/10. It doesn't. Another slightly more positive review might, but I articulated at length why I felt the film merited a zero, and you maintained that you "couldn't see" how I gave it a zero. Well, see, if I spend several paragraphs explaining in detail why I believe that the movie is worthless, why is it so difficult for you to believe that I would give the movie the lowest score possible. You may have liked things about the movie, that's fine. But don't say that you "can't see" how I could give the movie a zero when I discuss at length why I feel it deserved the score I gave it. I wasn't saying that you can't disagree, I was saying that I clearly stated why I felt the movie deserved a zero. That's all.
 
the fact u sit through the entire thing to be able to judge it means something kept u there cause u can walk out mid way and get ur money back. So it can not be a zero. Were the visual effect also garbage??? if u like or were entertained by a single thing then it can not be a zero
I sat through it because I would not be able to write a credible review if I didn't sit through it. It's a matter of integrity. Yes, it can be a zero. I almost - but not quite - enjoyed 15 seconds of the movie. That doesn't mean it's not a zero.
 
Sarge 2.0, usually I enjoy and agree with a good number of your film reviews but I have a hard time with taking critics seriously(especially ones who get paid for it) who give films a 0. A 1 is fair enough but a 0 is what I call either biased or an exaggeration to where you ignore the one or two things that might have been even semi-pleasing(which technically wouldn't warrant a 0 since a 0 should be a movie that has literally nothing that you enjoyed). I do recall you said that the Optimus fights/scenes gave you a little tiny bit of joy.

Anyways, it is your review and your choice to give it a 0. I'm just saying that to make sense for your review to give it a 0/10 you might want to omit the little bit about enjoying Optimus, you would think that would bring it up to a 1...or maybe a .5. XD
 
I give it an 8/10

It would have been 9/10


IF:

1. Soundwave talks with the vocoder effect and transforms into a robot.

2. Sideswipe should have been RED and more appearances.

- I mean when he slashed Sideways, alot of my friends who are not into Transformers were confused if that was the good guy or bad guy that just got sliced or the one doing the slicing.

3. Better dialogues for the Twin Gangsta robots.

4. Jetfire transforming to that awesome Jet to go to Egypt instead of just teleporting there...WHERE the hell did that come from and wtf moment??!!

He has an awesome jet mode, USE IT BAY
 
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