Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[BlackLantern]

because it all needs to be EXACTLY as it was and anything less is blasphemy

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, I liked his voice. People also complained that he got no screen time

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Sure. In a cheesy 80's cartoon. It works great there, where almost every other character has a cheesy voice.

Cheesy 80's cartoon? You mean like Inspector Gadget? Soundwave sounded exactly like Dr. Claw.

The synth voice is far more compelling than the "I'll get you next time Gadget" voice. G1 Soundwave sounds as if he specializes in sound. Dr Claw sounds like someone trying way too hard to sound scary. Like Cookie Monster with hoarse.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Soundwave's robo-voice worked great for the cartoon. It would've been stupid in the movie. They adapted it perfectly and even managed to get Welker to do the voice.

It really blows my mind that people complain about this.

Because it was a pointless change. There was nothing wrong with the original soundwave voice.

He sounded different and more alien than his cybertonian counter-parts. His voice sounded like a collection of voices. Perfect for a character that specializes in sound.

The new Soundwave sounds like cookie monster. Hardly an improvement.

 

[The Guard]

Like there was nothing wrong with G1 Megatron and Starscream in the context of this movie? Yeah, I'd love to see that...

First, notice I said "G1 Soundwave works really well for the cartoon it was in".

Cheesy 80's cartoon? You mean like Inspector Gadget? Soundwave sounded exactly like Dr. Claw.

Dr. Claw on his own pretty much always sounded more intimidating and scarier than Soundwave ever did with the vocoder over that voice.

The synth voice is far more compelling than the "I'll get you next time Gadget" voice.

"Compelling"? That's laying it on a little thick, don't you think?

Cookie Monster?

G1 Soundwave sounds as if he specializes in sound.

Whereas movie Soundwave actually, you know, does.

And he doesn't have to look like a giant tapedeck to get that point across.

Dr Claw sounds like someone trying way too hard to sound scary. Like Cookie Monster with hoarse.

And yet, G1 Soundwave IS Dr Claw with a vocoder over it. What would that be, I wonder, someone trying doubly hard, both to sound intimidating and scary AND like a *****e?

Could they have some SOME kind of synth? Maybe. They didn't, and it worked better for the movies and these versions of the characters than the vocoder would likely have.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

because it all needs to be EXACTLY as it was and anything less is blasphemy

Not all changes are improvements.

and in the case of Bayformers very few of them are.

 

[SsM]

Yeah, I liked his voice. People also complained that he got no screen time

Here I go again....

Spoiler

Soundwave was in the movie?!

 

[Balthus Dire]

Because it was a pointless change. There was nothing wrong with the original soundwave voice.

Go back and watch any clip from a G1 episode featuring Soundwave, and then tell me that his G1 voice would've actually worked without any sort of modification in the movie.

It wouldn't. So they got Welker...the actual voice of Soundwave...to make it just a little different. Good Lord.

 

[SUPER SAIYAN D]

Most of Bayformers improvements are a giant F^^K U to the fans of G1. Just my opinion fellas. I don't need any speeches about "OMG, the changes were needed for the movie " or " The cartoon was sooo cheesy." I like the live action movie sure enough, but I refuse to ride Bay's D--k.

 

[BlackLantern]

Not all changes are improvements.

and in the case of Bayformers very few of them are.

and Im sure that keeps Bay up at night, while he laughs from his gold mansion, banging some supermodel on a bed made of tiger pelts

but seriously, for me it was entertaining....granted one too many dick jokes, but I can deal with it

 

[AnorexicBatman]

I'm upset we didn't get even one trash talk scene between Starscream and Soudwave

Soundwave: SOUNDWAVE SUPERIOR! STARSCREAM INFERIOR!
Starscream: Oh shut up!

 

[Balthus Dire]

and Im sure that keeps Bay up at night, while he laughs from his gold mansion, banging some supermodel on a bed made of tiger pelts

Michael Bay is Conan??

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

And Dr. Claw on his own pretty much always sounded more intimidating and scarier than Soundwave ever did with the vocoder.

Dr.Claw is scary??? Maybe to an 8 year old.

And why does a sound specialist of the decepticons have to be scary? He specializes in communication not eating children.

"Compelling"? That's laying it on a little thick, don't you think?

not at all. Like I said Soundwave sounded like he had a mixture of voices which matches his character perfectly. He was also the only character with a synthesized voice which fit his single-minded loyalty to Megatron. The voice wasn't simply tacked on to sound scary to eitght year olds with no consideration of characterization.

Whereas movie Soundwave actually, you know, does.

And he doesn't have to look like a giant tapedeck to get that point across.

yeah where not debating the alt form just the voice.

And yet, G1 Soundwave IS Dr Claw with a vocoder over it. What would that be, I wonder, someone trying doubly hard?

Do you have proof the G1 soundwave sounds like dr. Claw. Though I'm not usre what that proves. They sound completely different.

Could they have some SOME kind of synth? Maybe. They didn't, and it worked better for the movies and these versions of the characters than the vocoder would likely have.

I disagree. The synthesized voice still suits the character because he specializes in synthesizing comminications not capturing Inspector Gadget.

 

[BlackLantern]

Most of Bayformers improvements are a giant F^^K U to the fans of G1. Just my opinion fellas. I don't need any speeches about "OMG, the changes were needed for the movie " or " The cartoon was sooo cheesy." I like the live action movie sure enough, but I refuse to ride Bay's D--k.

oh so you expect Bay to ride your ****?? what about the fans of Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, and Transformers Animated...do they have a cause now as well??

news flash...there will never be a Beast Wars movie...stop it with the online petitions...(yes they do exist)

 

[Sarge 2.0]

TF2 is hardly the first lacking integrity....I think the lot of you are upset because it happened to something you all care about...I highly doubt Snakes on a Plane or Mega Shark vs Giant Octopus were made with art in mind

Did I say that it was? I said that not all films have artistic integrity, not "Transformers 2 is the first movie without artistic integrity ever". There have been movies lacking in artistic integrity since the dawn of filmmaking. Duh.

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Go back and watch any clip from a G1 episode featuring Soundwave, and then tell me that his G1 voice would've actually worked without any sort of modification in the movie.

It wouldn't. So they got Welker...the actual voice of Soundwave...to make it just a little different. Good Lord.

The problem is he sounds like an Inspector Gadget villain not Soundwave rendering Welker's involvement pointless.

The whole point of getting a voice actor from G1 is for the character to sound like something from G1.

It would be like getting Welker for an Inspector Gadget movie and him sounding like Soundwave.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Why is this such a big deal? He had three freaking lines in the movie and he's Frank Welker, Voice God. Calm the **** down.

 

[The Guard]

dr.claw is scary??? Maybe to an 8 year old.

Which ironically, is about the age you'd have to be to find a silly computer voice compelling.
Read what I write.
always sounded more intimidating and scarier than Soundwave ever did with the vocoder.
I said that he sounded scarier than Soundwave's vocoder voice.
I did not say I was kept up nights because of the voice.

and why do all the the sound specialist of the decepticons have to be scary? He specializes in communication not eating children.

What does eating children have to do with sounding scary?
The larger, warrior Decepticons in this version of the lore are clearly meant to be intimidating and scarier than most versions. What is the point of having a bunch of scary ones and one weird sounding *****e?

not at all. Like I said Soundwave sounded like he had a mixture of voices which matches his character perfectly. He was also the only character with a synthesized voice which fit his single-minded loyalty to Megatron. The voice wasn't simply tacked on to sound scary to eitght year olds with no consideration of characterization.

How does a synthesized voice imply he was single mindedly loyal?
No, the voice wasn't just tacked on, it was used because he was called "Soundwave" and they ran out of silly voices with the other Decepticons.
How is him sounding like a computer anything approaching compelling?

yeah where not debating the alt form just the voice.

Aww, no fair.

Do you have proof the G1 soundwave sounds like dr. Claw. Though I'm not usre what that proves. They sound completely different.

I don't know, the fact that you can hear the Dr Claw voice under the vocoder pretty clearly whenever he speaks in G1, and that when the vocoder isn't used on a few rare occasions, it's clearly similar to the voice we heard in the movie?

I disagree. The synthesized voice still suits the character because he specializes in synthesizing comminications not capturing Inspector Gadget.

I want to see someone put that sound to the movie version of the character. We'll see how well it works then.

 

[The Guard]

So, should we also complain about Peter Cullen's slightly different voice since it doesn't sound exactly like his G1 voice most of the time?

 

[Saint]

I know what your issues with the movie are. That doesn't tell me how the story could have/should have been much better. I'd like someone to proffer a basic few comments about what kind of story they would have preferred to see, as a sequel to TRANSFORMERS, other than "Shia Lebouf And The Matrix of Leadership". The only person who has done so, you guessed it, based their story on REVENGE OF THE FALLEN's basic story.

There's a difference between having problems with stupid humor coming in every so often (which I think everyone does here, on some level), or wanting a better execution of character and whatnot, and actually knowing what would make a better story.

I keep asking what people would like to see because no one can apparently tell me. I have yet to see anyone explain even a basic, simple storyline would have been better than this one. I'm sure there is one. I just haven't seen anyone come up with one.

You misunderstand. I didn't say the basic story was a problem. I said it was incomplete, and it was. They have an outline. The outline isn't particularly good, bad, or anything (well, the Primes killing themselves for no reason was pretty stupid). It's the movie they made out of their outline that's stupid, largely because they never really bothered to get past the "outline" stage.

Moreover, your expectation that anyone should be able to "do better" is silly. That's not a qualification to voice criticism. It's an unreasonable request, anyway: writing is a process. I don't know about you, but I can't dispense premises on command like a gumball machine. Certainly not good ones. But if someone asked me to script a 200 million dollar movie, I certainly hope I could do better than this.

But you've been here long enough to understand that I'm not black and white, and that I don't entirely like or dislike most things.

That's not what I meant; I mean that I find you are more forgiving to mediocre films with a few virtues than you are good films with a few flaws, and that confuses me.

 

[SUPER SAIYAN D]

oh so you expect Bay to ride your ****?? what about the fans of Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, and Transformers Animated...do they have a cause now as well??

news flash...there will never be a Beast Wars movie...stop it with the online petitions...(yes they do exist)

Hell yeah !! As expensive as it is to go to the movies these days, Bay should not only ride my D--K, but suck it too ( Wait, that sounds a little gay don't it ?)

BTW, I hate Beast Wars, Armada, Energon, and Animated.

 

[Lunar_Wolf]

Most of Bayformers improvements are a giant F^^K U to the fans of G1. Just my opinion fellas. I don't need any speeches about "OMG, the changes were needed for the movie " or " The cartoon was sooo cheesy." I like the live action movie sure enough, but I refuse to ride Bay's D--k.

There is so much more to Transformers then just G1. If anything, G1 gave a giant **** you to the G1 fans when they killed off almost everyone in the 86 film just so they can sell toys.

 

[The Guard]

You misunderstand. I didn't say the basic story was a problem. I said it was incomplete, and it was. They have an outline. The outline isn't particularly good, bad, or anything (well, the Primes killing themselves for no reason was pretty stupid). It's the movie they made out of their outline that's stupid, largely because they never really bothered to get past the "outline" stage.

Ah. I think I said this last time, and I don't remember your answer particularly well. What's incomplete about this story?

Moreover, your expectation that anyone should be able to "do better" is silly. That's not a qualification to voice criticism. It's an unreasonable request, anyway: writing is a process. I don't know about you, but I can't dispense premises on command like a gumball machine. Certainly not good ones. But if someone asked me to script a 200 million dollar movie, I certainly hope I could do better than this.

I didn't expect you to do better. I asked for a basic idea.

If you can condemn what exists as bad, that suggests you know what would be good. And that doesn't just go for you, but for everyone.

That's not what I meant; I mean that I find you are more forgiving to mediocre films with a few virtues than you are good films with a few flaws, and that confuses me.

Examples?

 

[roach]

Most of Bayformers improvements are a giant F^^K U to the fans of G1. Just my opinion fellas. I don't need any speeches about "OMG, the changes were needed for the movie " or " The cartoon was sooo cheesy." I like the live action movie sure enough, but I refuse to ride Bay's D--k.

I have been a fan since the toys came out. I had an aunt who worked for Hasbro and me and my brothers tested the toys before they came out. I practically owned all of them. I ddint not see any change that made me seem like the filmmakers was giving me the middle finger. I learned to deal with change when Optimus died and Hot Rod took his spot. I learned to deal when a new cartoon came out that made Optimus Prime a gorilla(sure we found out later it wasnt the real one but we didnt know that at the time).
Cant we have more than one interpretation of Transformers????

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Which ironically, is about the age you'd have to be to find a silly computer voice compelling.
Read what I write.
always sounded more intimidating and scarier than Soundwave ever did with the vocoder.
I said that he sounded scarier than Soundwave's vocoder voice.
I did not say I was kept up nights because of the voice.

Oh please you don't need to be eight years old to find G1 Soundwave's voice compelling. His voice is outer-worldly.

Dr.Claw sounds like cookie monster, so you'd actually have to be younger than eight to find him scary. Maybe three.

What does eating children have to do with sounding scary?
The larger, warrior Decepticons in this version of the lore are clearly meant to be intimidating and scarier than most versions. What is the point of having a bunch of scary ones and one weird sounding *****e?

Yes the Transformers are giants but that doesn't mean they're monsters. They are living machines who have militarized. Where and why they have to have sharp teeth, gravely voices, and other such nonsense is a mystery. They're mechanic soldiers, not boogie monsters. This is sci-fi not Nightmare on Elm Street.

Making the bad guys scary monsters is just lazy writing. Decepticons have varied humanistic personalities. They're not goblins.

How does a synthesized voice imply he was single mindedly loyal?
No, the voice wasn't just tacked on, it was used because he was called "Soundwave" and they ran out of silly voices with the other Decepticons.
How is him sounding like a computer anything approaching compelling?

The voice is monotone and robotic. The way a machine slave would talk. It is a creative way to conceive a machine would talk. It is distinguished from all other sci-fi robot voices. Way better than cookie monster in Bayformers.

I don't know, the fact that you can hear the Dr Claw voice under the vocoder pretty clearly whenever he speaks in G1, and that when the vocoder isn't used on a few rare occasions, it's clearly similar to the voice we heard in the movie?

Soundwave doesn't sound anything like Dr. Claw whose voice is gravely and coarse.

I want to see someone put that sound to the movie version of the character. We'll see how well it works then.

There were plenty of skeptics who opposed Peter Cullen's involvement in the first Bayformers. That worked out better than anyone imagined.