Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

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I have a love/hate relationship with the movie...there were MANY great scenes...mixed with some really bad scenes. I'm not sure if the good or bad outweigh each other or if it's pretty equal.

Maybe it's like Return of the Jedi for me...the great scenes make me want to watch it and "survive" the bad scenes.
 
He said "Its like" in the vain that he has the same feelings with the film.
 
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How dare you compare this to Return Of The Jedi?

Because Boba Fett get's killed like a punk just because of a silly moment with Han Solo.

Ewoks defeat the Empires most elite soldiers with rocks and sticks.

Chewbacca does a Tarzan call while swinging onto an AT-ST, there he and some Ewoks manage to subdue soldiers who are wearing helmets by hitting them on said helmets with sticks.

It had A LOT of silly moments....a lot of moments I hated...and yet plenty of great moments too.
 
i think a lot of people found Ewoks funny. but at the end of the day they loved the moments with Vader and Luke.
 
Getting off topic, but that final battle between Vader and Luke with the dolly shot behind the stairs as they fight is one of my favourite scenes of all time. That music sends chills down my spine.

Best lightsaber fight out of all 6 films.
 
I remember a time when directors didn't make movies to fit the audience level of thinking and or entertainment values, but forced us to dive into their worlds regardless with such depth of movies as E.T., Flight Of The Navigator, Indiana Jones, Blade Runner, Total Recall, Robocop, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Ghost Busters, Back to The Future, Goonies, Gremlins, Jurassic Park, 007...etc. All movies with very high value of creativity and none were remakes or adaptations of old movies or cartoons. All these movies were in with the times but made memorable characters and moments never to be duplicated.

The last major BO movie where the director forced the audience into their world and not the other way around where they cater their direction towards what the audience may think is HIP or in fashion was "THE MATRIX" which in a movie since was borrowing ideas here and there but remained original.. Made tons of money but remained extremely smart and had layers of depth still discussed today.

Speed Racer had more thought provoking ideas and ideals than Transformers though many slept on such a charismatic movie with such high entertainment value.

Casino Royale was when a director gets out the safe zone and goes the distance making a movie HE felt was important to the character and respected universe of that theme. Quantum Of Solace is when the studio decides to cater to the audience which was still a good movie, but was sheer WOW moment type entertainment and not a fully fleshed out FILM.

Everything meant something in movies of old, but movies like Transformers and even the last Indie which have great IDEAS, but too many forced characters and concepts to add. Random scenes to make the dumb founded and nullified "LIL WAYNE" generation say "cool".


As much as many hated the 2003 HULK and claimed the new one was more entertaining prove my theory. Ang Lee didn't cater to the audience and made an engaging drama which had some silly scenes u can tell the studio thought a summer block buster MUST have. If Ang was given FULL control we wouldn't have had Hulk dogs etc and remained with an epic drama that hulk was meant to be. The new one took out any idea of a fleshed out universe and assumed the audience was up on things and just started the M. Bay style of motion pictures.

Funny enough that the first Hulk made just as much as the newer one and for such a long dramatic take on a comic book icon, wasn't too shabby and critics acknowledged it with high regard. Where as the newer Hulk felt crammed with quick Summer block buster quips.

We are now in an age where creative geniuses as Michael Jackson are mourned more than celebrated by the world because we know the end of a great era has officially announced it's self where the current music, movies, and sports are not as engaging, creative, INNOVATIVE, and enthralling as they once were.

This is an excellent post, which I fully agree with.

The modern take on the "Summer Blockbuster" by Hollywood studio's seems to equal-LAZY, lazy story telling, thanks to atrocious scripts, poor character development (again lazy) and remakes (lazy). The creativeness we seen at the start of the popcorn movie era seems to have been lost. There pretty much ain't any likability to modern hollywood blockbusters anymore. Maybe I'm being nostalgic, maybe my opinion is wrong but this is how I see it.

CGI is the main issue, its seems to me the studio's want to dazzle the public with out of this world effects hoping it distracts from the point that the movies are pretty shallow and weak on the actually entertainment factor. I'm quickly getting fed up with OTT CGI overload.

Transformers-ROTF is a prime (no pun) example of the feel and look of the modern blockbuster. Its lazy film making with something completely unlikable about it. IMO of course.

"Creativity" seems to be a lost skill in the process of making blockbusters at present.

Lets look at character development with a cracking script and story, then use CGI/effects to enhance that foundation (all the above quoted movies have this), then we "all" might actually start enjoying the big summer movie experience again.

P.S. I also wish that we could get over the obsession of GIANT ROBOTS/Machines trying to destroy mankind. Transformers 1/2, Matrix 2/3, Terminator Salvation, WOTW etc etc....

Just my opinion though ;-)
 
Getting off topic, but that final battle between Vader and Luke with the dolly shot behind the stairs as they fight is one of my favourite scenes of all time. That music sends chills down my spine.

Best lightsaber fight out of all 6 films.

The music during that scene is great too. "A Jedi's Fury" playing in the background fit so well with the footage.
 
I remember a time when directors didn't make movies to fit the audience level of thinking and or entertainment values, but forced us to dive into their worlds regardless with such depth of movies as E.T., Flight Of The Navigator, Indiana Jones, Blade Runner, Total Recall, Robocop, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Ghost Busters, Back to The Future, Goonies, Gremlins, Jurassic Park, 007...etc. All movies with very high value of creativity and none were remakes or adaptations of old movies or cartoons. All these movies were in with the times but made memorable characters and moments never to be duplicated.

The last major BO movie where the director forced the audience into their world and not the other way around where they cater their direction towards what the audience may think is HIP or in fashion was "THE MATRIX" which in a movie since was borrowing ideas here and there but remained original.. Made tons of money but remained extremely smart and had layers of depth still discussed today.

Speed Racer had more thought provoking ideas and ideals than Transformers though many slept on such a charismatic movie with such high entertainment value.

Casino Royale was when a director gets out the safe zone and goes the distance making a movie HE felt was important to the character and respected universe of that theme. Quantum Of Solace is when the studio decides to cater to the audience which was still a good movie, but was sheer WOW moment type entertainment and not a fully fleshed out FILM.

Everything meant something in movies of old, but movies like Transformers and even the last Indie which have great IDEAS, but too many forced characters and concepts to add. Random scenes to make the dumb founded and nullified "LIL WAYNE" generation say "cool".


As much as many hated the 2003 HULK and claimed the new one was more entertaining prove my theory. Ang Lee didn't cater to the audience and made an engaging drama which had some silly scenes u can tell the studio thought a summer block buster MUST have. If Ang was given FULL control we wouldn't have had Hulk dogs etc and remained with an epic drama that hulk was meant to be. The new one took out any idea of a fleshed out universe and assumed the audience was up on things and just started the M. Bay style of motion pictures.

Funny enough that the first Hulk made just as much as the newer one and for such a long dramatic take on a comic book icon, wasn't too shabby and critics acknowledged it with high regard. Where as the newer Hulk felt crammed with quick Summer block buster quips.

We are now in an age where creative geniuses as Michael Jackson are mourned more than celebrated by the world because we know the end of a great era has officially announced it's self where the current music, movies, and sports are not as engaging, creative, INNOVATIVE, and enthralling as they once were.

Damn, that was BRILLIANT !!!! I agree with everyting you said 100% !!!!
 
I'll agree that Hollywood sucks right now, but I will respectfully disagree on 2003 HULK being anything more than a boring piece of crap.
 
This is an excellent post, which I fully agree with.

The modern take on the "Summer Blockbuster" by Hollywood studio's seems to equal-LAZY, lazy story telling, thanks to atrocious scripts, poor character development (again lazy) and remakes (lazy). The creativeness we seen at the start of the popcorn movie era seems to have been lost. There pretty much ain't any likability to modern hollywood blockbusters anymore. Maybe I'm being nostalgic, maybe my opinion is wrong but this is how I see it.

CGI is the main issue, its seems to me the studio's want to dazzle the public with out of this world effects hoping it distracts from the point that the movies are pretty shallow and weak on the actually entertainment factor. I'm quickly getting fed up with OTT CGI overload.

Transformers-ROTF is a prime (no pun) example of the feel and look of the modern blockbuster. Its lazy film making with something completely unlikable about it. IMO of course.

"Creativity" seems to be a lost skill in the process of making blockbusters at present.

Lets look at character development with a cracking script and story, then use CGI/effects to enhance that foundation (all the above quoted movies have this), then we "all" might actually start enjoying the big summer movie experience again.

P.S. I also wish that we could get over the obsession of GIANT ROBOTS/Machines trying to destroy mankind. Transformers 1/2, Matrix 2/3, Terminator Salvation, WOTW etc etc....

Just my opinion though ;-)

I don't think anyone involved in making the transformers movie possible deserve to be called lazy

not one

without getting too much into a retort

I believe terminator and the matrix about about artificial intelligence

and transformers and wotw are about aliens (star trek too)

how many films are about pesky evil humans?
not the biggest movies of the past year
 
it takes months for CGI effects to be fully rendered, Optimus Prime had more than 50 different people working on him....I don't think they are lazy
 
This is an excellent post, which I fully agree with.

The modern take on the "Summer Blockbuster" by Hollywood studio's seems to equal-LAZY, lazy story telling, thanks to atrocious scripts, poor character development (again lazy) and remakes (lazy). The creativeness we seen at the start of the popcorn movie era seems to have been lost. There pretty much ain't any likability to modern hollywood blockbusters anymore. Maybe I'm being nostalgic, maybe my opinion is wrong but this is how I see it.

CGI is the main issue, its seems to me the studio's want to dazzle the public with out of this world effects hoping it distracts from the point that the movies are pretty shallow and weak on the actually entertainment factor. I'm quickly getting fed up with OTT CGI overload.

Transformers-ROTF is a prime (no pun) example of the feel and look of the modern blockbuster. Its lazy film making with something completely unlikable about it. IMO of course.

"Creativity" seems to be a lost skill in the process of making blockbusters at present.

Lets look at character development with a cracking script and story, then use CGI/effects to enhance that foundation (all the above quoted movies have this), then we "all" might actually start enjoying the big summer movie experience again.

P.S. I also wish that we could get over the obsession of GIANT ROBOTS/Machines trying to destroy mankind. Transformers 1/2, Matrix 2/3, Terminator Salvation, WOTW etc etc....

Just my opinion though ;-)

but they're successful....wildily successful...and Hollywood, especially in these tough times, are all about "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" Creativity doesn't pay the rent, 400 Million dollar gross in 6 days does
 
I don't think anyone involved in making the transformers movie possible deserve to be called lazy

not one

without getting too much into a retort

I believe terminator and the matrix about about artificial intelligence

and transformers and wotw are about aliens (star trek too)

how many films are about pesky evil humans?
not the biggest movies of the past year

Don't think you are getting my point about being "Lazy". I'm not talking about the amount of hard graft or the absolute literal meaning...but anyway.

As for Aliens/robots/A.I, well thats being slightly pedantic. Again, considering you didn't understand what I meant by "lazy", I'm not surprised with this response.
 
Tell that to guys like Nolan, Snyder and Jackson...
Their CREATIVITY does pay the rent...

It's an ethical issue really...
Bay takes the low road...
 
I remember a time when directors didn't make movies to fit the audience level of thinking and or entertainment values, but forced us to dive into their worlds regardless with such depth of movies as E.T., Flight Of The Navigator, Indiana Jones, Blade Runner, Total Recall, Robocop, Terminator, Predator, Star Wars, Ghost Busters, Back to The Future, Goonies, Gremlins, Jurassic Park, 007...etc. All movies with very high value of creativity and none were remakes or adaptations of old movies or cartoons. All these movies were in with the times but made memorable characters and moments never to be duplicated.

I didn't know those were all summer releases, kudos

don't really see how those are any more "creative" than the "summer" fare this year
but thats just me.

Speed Racer had more thought provoking ideas and ideals than Transformers though many slept on such a charismatic movie with such high entertainment value.

thought provoking ideas?
I liked speed racer for what it was attempting,the Wbros can be thought provoking when they want to they've proven that, speed racer was a simple movie about a kid doing laps around a zanny track in a flashy car chasing the memory of his brother with caricatures of a family as supporting characters

the idea of the the all spark, and the creatures it gives life too debating for the freedom of other sentient life has more "thought" too it than speed racer.


Casino Royale was when a director gets out the safe zone and goes the distance making a movie HE felt was important to the character and respected universe of that theme. Quantum Of Solace is when the studio decides to cater to the audience which was still a good movie, but was sheer WOW moment type entertainment and not a fully fleshed out FILM.

martin campbell(golden eye) can make a cool/good movie whom ever did QOS the guy from monsters ball I believe was out of his element.
but you may be onto something

Everything meant something in movies of old, but movies like Transformers and even the last Indie which have great IDEAS, but too many forced characters and concepts to add. Random scenes to make the dumb founded and nullified "LIL WAYNE" generation say "cool".

it's safe to say the newer movies have something for everyone
I've yet to see indy4 but it can't be all "dumb"

and by older movies you can't possibly be talking about all films released more then 10 years ago..


As much as many hated the 2003 HULK and claimed the new one was more entertaining prove my theory. Ang Lee didn't cater to the audience and made an engaging drama which had some silly scenes u can tell the studio thought a summer block buster MUST have. If Ang was given FULL control we wouldn't have had Hulk dogs etc and remained with an epic drama that hulk was meant to be. The new one took out any idea of a fleshed out universe and assumed the audience was up on things and just started the M. Bay style of motion pictures.

Funny enough that the first Hulk made just as much as the newer one and for such a long dramatic take on a comic book icon, wasn't too shabby and critics acknowledged it with high regard. Where as the newer Hulk felt crammed with quick Summer block buster quips.

this is really all I wanted to respond to
I fought for the first hulk(the novel is a must read) I see the point you are trying to make but at the same time it could be said that Mr. Lee

proud and confident after all the critical praise he was receiving ala previous films, made a movie too wrapped in it's own attempt at being intrinsic that it couldn't connect with it's audience
the people that made hulk what he is today didn't do it to see hulk punching clouds in live action.

the newer hulk proved one thing, the hulk is not as interesting as he used to be.

you can't just compare movies like that and then claim they fall into your theory

that's like saying TDK made more then Iron man because it was more serious
well then how did Iron man make more then Batman Begins?

there are other factors at play

both hulks made about the same amount of money does that mean Angs was better?
if anything if angs was so good the sequel would have made twice as much.(sequels do that)

We are now in an age where creative geniuses as Michael Jackson are mourned more than celebrated by the world because we know the end of a great era has officially announced it's self where the current music, movies, and sports are not as engaging, creative, INNOVATIVE, and enthralling as they once were.

compared to the 17th century all art has "sold out"

ten years ago hollywood was doing what it's doing now, releasing 2 gambles for every 6 films

sometime they pay off sometimes you get lady in the water.
 
Tell that to guys like Nolan, Snyder and Jackson...
Their CREATIVITY does pay the rent...

It's an ethical issue really...
Bay takes the low road...


Because he decided to make different films?? That's such a ridiculous argument. So every director in Hollywood should be just like Darren Aronofsky? Why, because he makes thoughtful films? That makes him "better"?

Michael Bay makes action films where **** blows up. That's what he likes, that's what he's good at, and that's what he's known for. Just because they aren't Oscar worthy masterpieces that make you cry yourself to sleep at how "beautiful" they are doesn't make him less of a film maker. It's a career choice.

Not everyone has the same tastes and not everyone wants to make the same types of movies. It's hardly a "low road". Give me a break.
 
If you think Bay is such an idiot, I dare you to rig an action scene like he does. I hate that argument, but I feel it is nessesary here.

Directing Action is one of the hardest things to do. Esp action on this scale.
 
Don't think you are getting my point about being "Lazy". I'm not talking about the amount of hard graft or the absolute literal meaning...but anyway.

As for Aliens/robots/A.I, well thats being slightly pedantic. Again, considering you didn't understand what I meant by "lazy", I'm not surprised with this response.

I understood it perfectly

I just hope you appreciate how much work goes into these films but all parties involved

yes even the writers, it's so easy for us to sit here and say ridiculous things like that but I'm in the industry and when you animate a character at 24 frame a second you don't really feel like seeing some snobs on forums talking about how lazy flim makers are.

as far as what I believe you meant, I still wouldn't call Transformers lazy.
creative laziness when it comes to big films is a loose concept at best

what's so lazy about knowing what your audience wants and giving it to them
would you call the people behind 40 year old virgin "lazy" because they made a simple film that played well to it's audience?
damn them for not making it 40 year old virgin meets blade runner

Transformers ROTF has alot to it, with alot of money at stake which mean execs have a tight noose around the writers necks
it's not the most engrossing story but like 40 year old virgin, it has an audience and it entertains them.

I would love to see how the writer of obama's speeches does at a comedy show

or how richard pryor's writers do at a public adress

you don't need to make something overly smart just to impress critics, it needs to entertain it's audience first and foremost.

I could write a lazy TF script if you really need a demonstration of the fact.

pedantic or not, to say they are all simply movies about robots is wonderfully general.
(would you put iron man in that pool as well?)
 
Tell that to guys like Nolan, Snyder and Jackson...
Their CREATIVITY does pay the rent...

It's an ethical issue really...
Bay takes the low road...

if it wasn't for that low road, the working man would only have classical symphony to listen to

say good bye to the simple hyms of Springstein
 
Because he decided to make different films?? That's such a ridiculous argument. So every director in Hollywood should be just like Darren Aronofsky? Why, because he makes thoughtful films? That makes him "better"?

Michael Bay makes action films where **** blows up. That's what he likes, that's what he's good at, and that's what he's known for. Just because they aren't Oscar worthy masterpieces that make you cry yourself to sleep at how "beautiful" they are doesn't make him less of a film maker. It's a career choice.

Not everyone has the same tastes and not everyone wants to make the same types of movies. It's hardly a "low road". Give me a break.

agreed.....

ethics?? really??? is that the conversation we're having now?? so you didn't like the movie...fine...so based on your opinion of the film or other films directed by Michael Bay, he is an unethical person??? are you ****ting me?? Taking a bribe...yes thats unethical, Cheating on your significant other...yes thats unethical....making a movie you don't like is a personal taste issue

helpful hint: just because YOU don't like a movie, doesn't make it a BAD movie
 
If you think Bay is such an idiot, I dare you to rig an action scene like he does. I hate that argument, but I feel it is nessesary here.

Directing Action is one of the hardest things to do. Esp action on this scale.
please lets not start with the ''then do it yourself'' :csad:
 
I didnt like The Godfather. Sue me. But I dont think it's a BAD movie in anyway shape or form. It's a fantastic movie...I just dont like mafia films is all.
 
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