Revenge of the Fallen Transformers: ROTF User Review Thread

[CelticPredator]

please lets not start with the ''then do it yourself''

Nope. I will say this. Why? Because, I dont know why people trash action directors for doing amazing action.

 

[Firm]

Nothing amazing, not bad.
Going in to the cinema I had a clear vision in my head "this is not an inteligent movie, it's action - don't expect amazing writing, it's just a fun movie", I was right. Orderd my popcorn, payed for the ticket, sat down and started watching. Loved the beginning, loved the action scenes, loved Megan, Bee and even Shia wasn't annoying. This movie had some stupid/ridiculous scenes but what can you expect? It's Michael Bay + Transformers. It was enjoyable, over the top, in some parts senceless but I really had fun watching it

 

[nintendo nerd]

Nope. I will say this. Why? Because, I dont know why people trash action directors for doing amazing action.

Yes, we had amazing action. But a terrible story. IMO. TF 1 did have a decent story.

 

[Nathan]

The problem is really that he had too much control. I'm reading right now an old Q&A from the writers of the Movie, where they say Sunstreaker and Sideswipe where supposed to have the roles of the Twins. But bay axed Sunstreaker and had the idea with Skids and Mudflap. Just let him film all the explosions, but keep him the **** away from the script.

 

[Marvin]

The problem is really that he had too much control. I'm reading right now an old Q&A from the writers of the Movie, where they say Sunstreaker and Sideswipe where supposed to have the roles of the Twins. But bay axed Sunstreaker and had the idea with Skids and Mudflap. Just let him film all the explosions, but keep him the **** away from the script.

personally I'm not a fan of the twins tho I can see there appeal from the younger perspective

honestly I can't see those scenes where the twins were present and walking around with shia being deep character pieces that would have saved the film had it been sideswipe and sunstreaker in their stead.

it no doubt would have been more simpleton robot talk the likes of which Iron hide never ceases to amaze us with

all it really would have improved is the devastator scene, but hey, michael loves the kids
and the kids love slapstick, you can't rip off everyone's face.

 

[Saint]

Except that since he'd no longer have anything to do with the autobots, he'd no longer, after spending the film with them, have anything to do with them, and not be a committed part of their future, so something would have changed, yes? I mean, instead of having a bunch of transforming robot warriors around him, he'd have none. That strikes me as a bit of a difference in one's existence.

Which would amount to one thing: in the six seconds that serve as the film's denouement, Sam would be standing alone instead of standing with Optimus. The promise of change to come is worth something, sure, but you've been trying to sell me on the relevance of Sam's story in the body of the film--but besides that six seconds, it isn't there. That conflict does not drive the film, and it probably should have.

I feel that his decision to become involved in the Transformers conflict is the beginning of his character development, and the ongoing increasing degrees of involvement he undergoes are his character developing more and more into the person who is a part of the Autobots world.

If I expected any level of competent follow through, that might be enough for me. But I don't.

Also, even had Sam ultimately decided that he wanted nothing more to do with the Autobots or their war, he would still have undergone character development as a person, wouldn't he, as he tests his limits, discovers what he's capable of, etc?

I'm not sure I follow you entirely.

I don't think this is a semantic trap. I believe people have a choice in life as to what their actions are. I believe there are good choices and bad choices and gray areas, but I do believe people have a choice in terms of their actions. Sam didn't know the stakes at the beginning, he only knew the Decepticons wanted him for something. After Prime's death, Sam didn't have to find out what, or the extent of that, and he certainly didn't have to go on a globetrotting quest of unraveling clues to raise Prime from the dead. He could have just waited for the Decepticons to come for him, or hidden and hoped they wouldn't find him, or run. Like many people do when adversity strikes. But he didn't. He chose not to.

But not necessarily as a matter of principle. It could have easily been a matter of practicality. He already new he had information that was important somehow, and he knew that if the Decepticon's wanted it, it was probably to do something that wouldn't be good for him in the long run.

As far as I can tell, even though I know you meant "It didn't show enough", you basically just told me "Showing things is not showing things", because apparently for you, not showing enough to satisfy you...isn't showing anything at all.

I meant exactly what I said: if you show someone a tree, and you show someone paper, you haven't shown that person that paper is made from trees. You've shown them something, but not enough to actually qualify as showing them that paper comes from trees. You've only told them that. That's how the film feels to me.

 

[craigdbfan]

The problem is really that he had too much control. I'm reading right now an old Q&A from the writers of the Movie, where they say Sunstreaker and Sideswipe where supposed to have the roles of the Twins. But bay axed Sunstreaker and had the idea with Skids and Mudflap. Just let him film all the explosions, but keep him the **** away from the script.

And someone in the boards said (forget who) to stop milking the writer strike.

If Bay didn't have so much time to sit around and tweak with the script we could have gotten more Sideswipe.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm reading right now an old Q&A from the writers of the Movie, where they say Sunstreaker and Sideswipe where supposed to have the roles of the Twins.

Damn. That would've been so ****in' cool.

Where are you reading this?

 

[Nathan]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/236275-botcon-2009-movie-q-session.html

 

[Godman]

predator had f.... Arnold in the jungle fighting an alien. it was meant to entertain people.
and in 20 years some people will say the same for TF.

give me one plot hole in Predator and something in the movie that served no purpose but to better the movie? It had humor but it was not an action comedy. It was a action thriller which transformers should have been action SCI FI. It has as much humor as rush hour for real. Hell even as much as Bad Boys and those are sitcom actors turn hollywood. Transformers was never to be that. It actually has some depth to it in the comics and cartoon.

My point again is give me something that is just plain stupid in Predator that was not great to the story arch??? Predator was not a stupid movie and was not written as so.

 

[BlackLantern]

it makes me just a little happy on the inside knowing that you "real" Transformers fans will never truly get what you want....you can go on and on about the comics did this, the cartoon did that....but at the end of the day, what Hasbro says goes....its their property and when their 2 films have now made a combined $1 Billion dollars....no one cares about the .1% angry internet fanboys who call Bay the devil....go in your backyard and make a fanfilm with your action figures...the Academy is waiting

 

[knowsbleed]

I consider myself a "real" Transformers fan... posters who knew me from the first movie's followings know how much I ranted about Bay... but oh well. I have to live with what we have and what we have seemed pretty enjoyable to me this time around. I've come to accept and even like what Bay has created for us... though of course not completely. It's just another incarnation of the Transformers... a franchise that has been changing for the past 25 years and is now stronger than ever thanks to these movies.

But that's just plain ol' being a big meano, BL. I'll reserve a punch in the nuts for you when I see you.

 

[Marvin]

I consider myself a "real" Transformers fan... posters who knew me from the first movie's followings know how much I ranted about Bay... but oh well. I have to live with what we have and what we have seemed pretty enjoyable to me this time around. I've come to accept and even like what Bay has created for us... though of course not completely. It's just another incarnation of the Transformers... a franchise that has been changing for the past 25 years and is now stronger than ever thanks to these movies.

But that's just plain ol' being a big meano, BL. I'll reserve a punch in the nuts for you when I see you.

well said dude

just another incarnation, bays incarnation for this decade, that's all

 

[BlackLantern]

sorry then knowsbleed...and you're right...there have been MANY different incarnations and this is just one...but it seems to be super important to some people so it MUST be taken seriously....Im surprised Gore Vidal wasn't commissioned to write the script

 

[knowsbleed]

Well, it would be nice if it could be handled with tongue in cheek humor and still be a serious sci fi flick. The potential is there... but the director doesn't want, nor really need, to go that route. He wanted big fun... and that's what we got. Though a little heavy on the military propaganda (and I'm in the military).

I wouldn't mind a Star Trek type movie that is both fun and smart though. I still do believe that there is enough Transformers lore to formulate a smart script without making it too serious for non-fans to like.

 

[Marvin]

I just don't get what the big deal with making a straight up TF is

it's only as big as it is because the producers made it as appealing to as many people as they have
big enough to make as much as it did(without actor deaths)

I mean is TF really that much better then hulk as far as character lore?
because hulk was played straight and it did so so

meh, I think it could be better but it doesnt' keep me up as night the way it seems to others

I actually believe it's because the cool guy with the nice car that called us nerds in high school took over the property and made it his own

if only it was Raimi.

 

[knowsbleed]

I don't even see it as a Bay vs the fans type deal anymore... now it's just a "this is Transformers now" situation. I'm anxious to see if they bring more into the 3rd movie as they brought more into this movie than the first one. Or will it have At World's End-itis?

 

[BlackLantern]

raimi?? why?? so in the third film he can ass rape the franchise beyond recognition??

 

[knowsbleed]

I'd seriously give my left nut for Abrams to direct the 3rd.




I doubt that anybody would want to barter though.

 

[Marvin]

raimi?? why?? so in the third film he can ass rape the franchise beyond recognition??

because his movies look so bad the the stories shine through, and that's what TF needs right now

 

[Marvin]

I'd seriously give my left nut for Abrams to direct the 3rd.


I doubt that anybody would want to barter though.

he's pretty much the only person who could pull it off

then again, he wrote armageddon
and that funky superman script.

 

[BlackLantern]

the 402 Million its made so far don't indicate it needs any "shining through"...you all can be as cynical as you want about box office and how money doesnt = quality, but this thing is making ****loads of money....its making cocaine cartel money...I heard Bay is going to buy a jetpack....made of platinum

 

[knowsbleed]

he's pretty much the only person who could pull it off

then again, he wrote armageddon
and that funky superman script.

I loved Armageddon


and he's not credited for SR.

 

[Marvin]

I loved Armageddon


and he's not credited for SR.

it served it's purpose, but it's the film I believe bay gets it the worst for

an no, not SR
the other superman that sent production back to the drawing board, the one where he carried his suit in a can or worms or somthing

 

[Balthus Dire]

the other superman that sent production back to the drawing board, the one where he carried his suit in a can or worms or somthing

Hahaha what?? I must hear more of this...