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Ultimate Captain America

I guess I didn't think he was a dick all the time. I need to re read Ultimates. Maybe because I was in the Army, I like Ultimates Cap because he's more like a soldier.
 
I guess I didn't think he was a dick all the time. I need to re read Ultimates. Maybe because I was in the Army, I like Ultimates Cap because he's more like a soldier.


My brother gives the exact same reason why he dislikes him so much.
 
I'd buy an ultimate Cap book...I love him because he's such a flawed character. Yeah, he's a total a**hole, but can you really blame the guy? He was froze for 60+ years and brought out in a time he doesnt understand where things are completely different. He's like an old man. I'm sure most of you have heard one of your grandparents say something racist, or sexist, etc. and written it off because that's just how things were in there day. Ultimate Cap is the same thing.
 
Except he isn't racist, or sexist, or an a**hole. But he obviously hates the French.
 
I'd buy an ultimate Cap book...I love him because he's such a flawed character. Yeah, he's a total a**hole, but can you really blame the guy? He was froze for 60+ years and brought out in a time he doesnt understand where things are completely different. He's like an old man. I'm sure most of you have heard one of your grandparents say something racist, or sexist, etc. and written it off because that's just how things were in there day. Ultimate Cap is the same thing.

Thank you. Someone who gets it. I did always wonder though, if Cap was slighlty shocked at the sight of an African-American general.
 
Except he isn't racist, or sexist, or an a**hole. But he obviously hates the French.

That part was off to me. A lot of arm chair historians like to call the French in WWII cowards or pansies...but the people that were actually there had a different opinion of them. But I do love the scene when he says, "Do you think this A on my head stands for France?"
 
I would by the book I would love to see what they do with Ultimate Cap in his own series.
 
I would buy it! I haven't read a lot about ult. Captain America but he sounds kinda interesting to me!
 
I'd buy an ultimate Cap book...I love him because he's such a flawed character. Yeah, he's a total a**hole, but can you really blame the guy? He was froze for 60+ years and brought out in a time he doesnt understand where things are completely different. He's like an old man. I'm sure most of you have heard one of your grandparents say something racist, or sexist, etc. and written it off because that's just how things were in there day. Ultimate Cap is the same thing.

Only he's 250 lbs. of asskicking muscle.:o
 
this is off topic but is it just me or did Captain America in civil war seem to be a lot more like ultimate cap than 616 cap?
 
What would you guys think of a solo Cap book in the Ultimate universe? I like what they did with the character in the Ultimates and I am always down for new Cap titles, especially since he is currently um...well, you know. I'd read it for sure. Would anyone else care?

I'd like to see Ultima Cap beat up DC's Jason Todd. Even better, All Star Batman. It's a battle of the mean guys.
 
Except he isn't racist, or sexist, or an a**hole. But he obviously hates the French.

Exactly. I'd be more supportive of the whole "Cap is an *******" mood if he kept the ideals of his generation rather than just say he does. It would be interesting to see a racist, sexist gung-ho Cap in modern times. But he's dating a Japanese woman. He's never said anything against women being on the team or fighting along side them. He's never had a problem with taking orders from a black man.
 
this is off topic but is it just me or did Captain America in civil war seem to be a lot more like ultimate cap than 616 cap?
Civil War was written by Mark Millar, same guy who wrote Ultimates.

I like both versions of Captain America. Ult. Cap is bitter and mean, and it makes for an amusing contrast. Plus he's willing to kill. If there's one thing that's always bothered me about 616 Cap, it's that whole "I've never killed an enemy" thing. It's like-- "Really? You fought the Nazis in WWII, and at no point were you ever ordered to kill an enemy soldier or leader? Never had to use a gun? But you were always on the front lines in combat? Whatever."
 
I'd definitely buy it. 616 Cap is the Captain America that we all want Captain Ameirca to be: the true patriot and poster boy for everything that is good and right in the world. He fights evil, doesn't take life, and makes everyone feel safer. Ultimate Cap is the Cap that would actually exist if what had happened to him happened to him. As people have said, he's brought back to life out of his time, he's going to be slightly jarring with the world. And he's a born soldier, someone who had such a heavy burden and pressure on him during WW2 that he would have been a very driven and single-minded soldier. He'd have had to be. So he would come off as a dick sometimes. But he's not supposed to be perfect in real life, only on the battlefield.
 
marvel should try an ultimate captain america mini series first and if it works go with it:ninja:
 
That part was off to me. A lot of arm chair historians like to call the French in WWII cowards or pansies...but the people that were actually there had a different opinion of them. But I do love the scene when he says, "Do you think this A on my head stands for France?"

I guess that's difference between those who were there, and those who just read about it.
 
That part was off to me. A lot of arm chair historians like to call the French in WWII cowards or pansies...but the people that were actually there had a different opinion of them. But I do love the scene when he says, "Do you think this A on my head stands for France?"

First off, by it's nature, all historians are arm-chair. When guys try to write the history that they're making, they're usually called dictators.

How many here at the Hype have actually been to war? (There are actually a couple that I know of.) Doesn't mean you can't comment. I've argued with my brother about Iraq. Just because he was there doesn't mean that his opinion is the be all end all. (Which is why I don't buy the argument of Bush or Clinton not being in the military making them unfit to lead.) That being said, I would be stupid not to give my bro's account more credence than my own or that of your run of the mill columnist. Which is why I give a little credibility to guys like McCain and Kerry. And that's all I'll say, lest this discussion lures celldog from wherever he's lurking.
 
Sensational.

I'm talking about the opinions of people who watched the French fight and die for their own freedoms versus the opinions of people who say the French are pansies because they don't like them. And yes, I say anyone who has been to war's opinion on war is much more valid than someone who has not.
 
We're talking about a guy whose ideals are still steeped and rooted in the 30s and 40s,so he's bound to be a dick.

But a solo book would definitely work only it was written by Millar,which is highly doubtful given his upcoming slate in 2008 and his goal to work on more creator owned stuff once he's done at Marvel.
 
That part was off to me. A lot of arm chair historians like to call the French in WWII cowards or pansies...but the people that were actually there had a different opinion of them. But I do love the scene when he says, "Do you think this A on my head stands for France?"

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