Ultimate Marvel

[fifthfiend]

Purportedly, the Trapster.

Also probably Stilt-Man because I mean come on, stilts.

 

[The Overlord]

Purportedly, the Trapster.

Also probably Stilt-Man because I mean come on, stilts.

See but with trapster you can do what Timm did with clock King, change his gimmick, switch it from glue to death traps. Death traps are big after the Saw movies.

Stilt-Man..............works better as a joke character.

 

[The Question]

See but with trapster you can do what Timm did with clock King, change his gimmick, switch it from glue to death traps. Death traps are big after the Saw movies.

That's a pretty superficial way of improving a character. I mean, change his gimmick, and what really changes besides the gimmick? He's still the same person. Plus, switching to death traps is such a massive change that you might as well use a different character (like Arcade, who's gimmick is already deathtraps). Really, if you want to change The Trapster's gimmick, have it be a logical extension of his current gimmick: Expand the adhesive angle to make him an expert on chemical weapons in general. Have him use a combination of adhesives, acids, and explosives to do whatever he's trying to do. And simultaneously work on his personality. I mean, he's tougher in a fight now. Huzzah. But unless you take at least a little time to explain who he is and how he thinks, nothing's really improved. He's just as bland a character as he was before, except now lacking the novelty value of being kind of pathetic.

 

[fifthfiend]

Hey you know what would actually be kind of neat? Is sort of a loosely affiliated organization of all these oddly specialized villains as sort of an independent contractor outfit. So you'd have like one guy that say, Norman Oborne calls and Norm's like "well **** nothing for it but I need a dude who's handy with a glue gun" and Trapster Pot Pete shows up and he's like "yeah boss I'm your guy, just show me what needs gluin'." Or the Kingpin is sitting there being like "Man that **** is just hella high up there, we gonna need us a dude with stilts" and they call up the agency and Stilt-Man is like "**** yeah I got you covered on some stilts!"

 

[The Overlord]

That's a pretty superficial way of improving a character. I mean, change his gimmick, and what really changes besides the gimmick? He's still the same person. Plus, switching to death traps is such a massive change that you might as well use a different character (like Arcade, who's gimmick is already deathtraps). Really, if you want to change The Trapster's gimmick, have it be a logical extension of his current gimmick: Expand the adhesive angle to make him an expert on chemical weapons in general. Have him use a combination of adhesives, acids, and explosives to do whatever he's trying to do. And simultaneously work on his personality. I mean, he's tougher in a fight now. Huzzah. But unless you take at least a little time to explain who he is and how he thinks, nothing's really improved. He's just as bland a character as he was before, except now lacking the novelty value of being kind of pathetic.

First of all how is being pathetic a novelty, unless you are a comic relief character.

This is the Ultimate Universe, not the 616 universe, so your point is irrelevant, Ultimate arcade has nothing to do with death traps.

So what, its the Ultimate universe, he wouldn't be the same character in the first place, if want to read about the 616 Trapster, be my guest, but why would Ultimate trapster be the same? Is there any reason why they should be the same?

DCUA Clock King is way different from DCU Clock King, but which one is the better character?

 

[The Question]

Hey you know what would actually be kind of neat? Is sort of a loosely affiliated organization of all these oddly specialized villains as sort of an independent contractor outfit. So you'd have like one guy that say, Norman Oborne calls and Norm's like "well **** nothing for it but I need a dude who's handy with a glue gun" and Trapster Pot Pete shows up and he's like "yeah boss, I'm your guy, just show me what needs gluin'." Or the Kingpin is sitting there being like "Man that **** is just hella high up there, we gonna need us a dude with stilts" and they call up the agency and Stilt-Man is like "**** yeah I got you covered on some stilts!" Fit these guys in somewhere between main-threat villainy and nameless mooks and they might actually be semi-interesting.

I've been thinking for a while that a lot of these villains with lame or limited use gimmicks would work well on a villain team that was modeled after "Ocean's 11." Everyone has specific jobs to do in the overal plan, not simply going in and beating up super heroes.

 

[The Overlord]

I've been thinking for a while that a lot of these villains with lame or limited use gimmicks would work well on a villain team that was modeled after "Ocean's 11." Everyone has specific jobs to do in the overal plan, not simply going in and beating up super heroes.

What does any of this have to do with Ultimate marvel?

 

[fifthfiend]

What does Ultimate Marvel have to do with the fact that yo momma's a ho?

 

[The Overlord]

What does Ultimate Marvel have to do with the fact that yo momma's a ho?

That's very mature, go play with dollies little girl, The adults are talking.

 

[The Question]

So what, its the Ultimate universe, he wouldn't be the same character in the first place, if want to read about the 616 Trapster, be my guest, but why would Ultimate trapster be the same? Is there any reason why they should be the same?

Well, there's no point in calling him The Trapster if you completely change the character. He should bear some resemblence to 616 Pete. The chemical weapons expert angle is an extension of the character as he is now, and would seem like less of a Saw rip off/stand in for Arcade.

DCUA Clock King is way different from DCU Clock King, but which one is the better character?

But his gimmick was an extension of the original character: Obsession with time. They just did it better in DCAU. Also, as for who is the better character, that is arguable. The regular Clock King actually has a pretty decent backstory, even though it wasn't used very well.

What does any of this have to do with Ultimate marvel?

Nothing, really. I was just responding to fifthfiend's idea.

 

[fifthfiend]

The adults are talking.

There's adults on the Hype?

Are they not aware that this is the Hype?

 

[Blader5489]

And since when do little girls with dollies say "your momma's a ho"?

 

[The Overlord]

Well, there's no point in calling him The Trapster if you completely change the character. He should bear some resemblence to 616 Pete. The chemical weapons expert angle is an extension of the character as he is now, and would seem like less of a saw rip off/stand in for Arcade.
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I don't see why, Ultimate Arcade has no association with death traps, so Ultimate trapster wouldn't be a rip off him, heck Ultimate arcade bears little similarity to 616 arcade and Ultimate Sinister is vasty different from his 616 counter part, so there is a prescient for such changes.

But his gimmick was an extension of the original character: Obsession with time. They just did it better in DCAU. Also, as for who is the better character, that is arguable. The regular Clock King actually has a pretty decent backstory, even though it wasn't used very well..

The back story for tockman was pretty stupid, hasn't he heard of getting a second opinion?

At least temple seemed insane, suffering from an extreme form of OCD, instead of being an idiot.

Plus which one is more compentent?

Nothing, really. I was just responding to fifthfiend's idea.

Well then perhaps this should be its own topic then, in instead of derailing this thread.

 

[The Overlord]

And since when do little girls with dollies say "your momma's a ho"?

I'm calling him a child, because he made childish statements.

There's adults on the Hype?

Are they not aware that this is the Hype?

So acting like a foolish and a belligerent 12 year old is okay here? News to me.

 

[fifthfiend]

And since when do little girls with dollies say "your momma's a ho"?

Dude, kids grow up fast these days.

EDIT:

So acting like a foolish and a belligerent 12 year old is okay here? News to me.

See? I just aged like 6 years!

Well then perhaps this should be its own topic then, in instead of derailing this thread.

I again direct your attention to this is The Hype?

One of us is clearly misinformed about how things work around here, and I don't think it's me.

 

[fifthfiend]

Anyway before this takes up any more time let's just go ahead and say that the tangent to which Overlord so vociferously objects is an Ultimate idea for an Ultimate agency employing the Ultimate Paste Pot Trapster and Ultimate Stilt-Man all in that universe whose name I forget*. There you see? Totally on-topic and related.



*Ultimately forget.

 

[The Overlord]

Dude, kids grow up fast these days.

EDIT:


See? I just aged 6 years!



I again direct your attention to this is The Hype?

One of us is clearly misinformed about how things work around here, and I don't think it's me.

here's an idea, get some good manners and stop resorting to such childish insults, because you are just derailing the thread at this point.

I'm quite done talking to you in the mean time and please stop wasting everyone's time.

 

[The Question]

I don't see why, Ultimate Arcade has no association with death traps, so Ultimate trapster wouldn't be a rip off him, heck Ultimate arcade bears little similarity to 616 arcade and Ultimate Sinister is vasty different from his 616 counter part, so there is a prescient for such changes.

Yes. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best way to do things.

The back story for tockman was pretty stupid, hasn't he heard of getting a second opinion?

At least temple seemed insane, suffering from an extreme form of OCD, instead of being an idiot.

Plus which one is more compentent?

Fugate is more competent, but competence doesn't meant he's a better character. Tockman's story is fairly human. He thought he was going to die, tried to help his sister, got ****ed over, and she ended up dying instead of him. He didn't get a second a opinion. Not everyone does. He doesn't have to be a genius to be a good character or a good villain. In fact, some of the best villains in fiction got to where they were after a series of horrible choices that led them down a self destructive path.

 

[fifthfiend]

here's an idea, get some good manners and stop resorting to such childish insults, because you are just derailing the thread at this point.

I'm quite done talking to you in the mean time and please stop wasting everyone's time.

Oh man, I :heart: you like you just have no idea.

Please, don't ever change.

 

[The Overlord]

Yes. But that doesn't necessarily mean it's the best way to do things.

No, not always but sometimes. 616 Sinister was convoluted, he just annoying after a while, with all his convoluted schemes, that end just making X-men continuity even more convoluted. that's why I'm glad they went with a different direction with Ultimate Sinister.

Regardless a precedent for completely changing some characters in the UU has been set, so its fair game.

Fugate is more competent, but competence doesn't meant he's a better character. Tockman's story is fairly human. He thought he was going to die, tried to help his sister, got ****ed over, and she ended up dying instead of him. He didn't get a second a opinion. Not everyone does. He doesn't have to be a genius to be a good character or a good villain. In fact, some of the best villains in fiction got to where they were after a series of horrible choices that led them down a self destructive path.

Still personally, i don't like when some does something stupid, that could of being avoided with an ounce of common sense. that's how a lot movies get made, where characters do stupid things, instead of doing the obvious thing that would solve their problems.

If a doctor told most people they were dying, most people would seek a second opinion, only an idiot wouldn't. Tockman is an idiot, which means he is not much of a threat at all. I just don't characters like that.

 

[The Question]

Still personally, i don't like when some does something stupid, that could of being avoided with an ounce of common sense. that's how a lot movies get made, where characters do stupid things, instead of doing the obvious thing that would solve their problems.

If a doctor told most people they were dying, most people would seek a second opinion, only an idiot wouldn't. Tockman is an idiot, which means he is not much of a threat at all. I just don't characters like that.

That's not true at all. He made a few mistakes in one area of his life. That doesn't mean he can't be dangerous.

 

[fifthfiend]

So wait - what does Clock King have to do with Ultimate Marvel, exactly?

Okay naw, just funnin' you.

Seriously though who says everybody gets a second opinion? I'm sure a lot of people just say hey as far as I know my doctor knows his ****, he wouldn't tell me I'm gonna die if I'm not gonna die.

Who even says someone has the money to pay for a second opinion? Opinions aren't cheap when they're a doctor's opinion; if you're a person on an already-stretched budget like CK presumably was (what with the sick-sister situation and whatever related bills) you aren't gonna have the money to go buying redundant medical advice even if you did think it might be a good idea.

Side note: I just looked up Clock King's background? Dude that kind of just makes Green Arrow look like an *******, right there.

 

[The Overlord]

That's not true at all. He made a few mistakes in one area of his life. That doesn't mean he can't be dangerous.

I have a problem with that concept though, it reminds of too many bad movies, where the problem in the movie could have been solved in a few minutes, if any characters had common sense and done something obvious. Instead the characters don't do the obvious thing, they act even more stupid and do more stupid things, just to prolonging a conflict in the movie to the point where it gets tedious and by that point you have lost all interest in the characters. tockman is like one of those characters, from a bad movie like that. Its just not good characterization.

So wait - what does Clock King have to do with Ultimate Marvel?

Okay naw naw, just funnin' you.

Seriously though who says everybody gets a second opinion? I'm sure a lot of people just say hey as far as I know my doctor knows his ****, he wouldn't tell me I'm gonna die if I'm not gonna die.

Who even says someone has the money to pay for a second opinion? Opinions aren't cheap when they're a doctor's opinion; if you're a person on an already-stretched budget like CK presumably was (what with the sickly-sister situation and whatever related bills) you aren't gonna have the money to go buying redundant medical advice even if you did think it might be a good idea.

Let me ask this, if you were told you have six months to live by a doctor, do you know anyone who wouldn't want a second opinion? as for money, he has the money to make clock themed weapons, but not enough money to get a second opinion?

 

[fifthfiend]

Sure, I know a lot of people who might say well the doctors know what they're doing, I guess I'm ****ed. Can't say for sure, not knowing anyone who is going to die in six months. But yeah a lot of people just tend to, you know, trust that their doctor isn't ****ing up. Hell a lot of people might consider demanding a second opinion to be just kind of silly and desperate and trying to avoid reality; how many cases do you seriously think there are where a doctor tells a dude he's got six months to live and some other doctor isn't gonna tell him pretty much the exact same thing?

 

[The Overlord]

Sure, I know a lot of people who might say well the doctors know what they're doing, I guess I'm ****ed. Can't say for sure, not knowing anyone who is going to die in six months. But yeah a lot of people just tend to, you know, trust that their doctor isn't ****ing up.

That's stupid though, doctors are still human and I have heard stores about doctors screwing up all the time.

Almost everyone I know would seek a second opinion on such a important thing.
Its just the most obvious and logical thing to do.