Age of Ultron Ultron! We Would Have Words With Thee! Official Thor/Chris Hemworth Thread

[Silvermoon]

So....Thor loses MJOLNIR....?!?!

Wow. Wondering how that comes about. Looks like we get Thor minus Mjolnir

Where has it been said he loses Mjolnir? (or are you just speculating?)

 

[mc7791]

My overall problem with Thor that he looks to be as powerful as he should be in the Avengers. I did not get that feeling from TDW. I want to see how Ultron handles Thor. I want to see more of Thors true power. We saw some of it in Thor 1 and Avengers but I want to see more.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Thor's power has underwhelmed me in all of these movies. I hope that changes because I feel his character has a hard time standing out among the pack.

 

[Just_Human]

Thor's power has underwhelmed me in all of these movies. I hope that changes because I feel his character has a hard time standing out among the pack.

I agree

I think we'll see much more of his power in AOU and Thor 3 because **** is gonna get extermely serious

Final version of Ultron is nearly undestructible so you know Thor is gonna have to try everything

In Thor 3 if we get Raganork, I expect Thor to go apecrap on everybody

 

[Lobo]

I need to see Surtur in Thor 3. Wish they'd have gone with Enchantress and Executioner for part 2.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I agree

I think we'll see much more of his power in AOU and Thor 3 because **** is gonna get extermely serious

Final version of Ultron is nearly undestructible so you know Thor is gonna have to try everything

In Thor 3 if we get Raganork, I expect Thor to go apecrap on everybody

I sure hope so.

 

[mc7791]

I sure hope so.

me too

 

[MissStreelight]

Where has it been said he loses Mjolnir? (or are you just speculating?)

Not sure exactly where the OP got that idea, but maybe it's a scene in the AoU trailer? At 1:09 Mjolnir is seen falling from Thor's hand onto the ground. I was wondering what that meant when I saw it.

 

[cherokeesam]

Where has it been said he loses Mjolnir? (or are you just speculating?)

Thor spends most of the trailer without Mjolnir.

The Quinjet scene: Thor without his hammer; Cap without his shield; Banner without his Hulk. Iron Man nowhere in sight, and probably butting heads with his former comrades Civil War-style by this point. (Just guessing that Hawkeye is piloting the jet.)

In a ruined building, presumably in Sokovia: Cap, Thor, Widow and Hawkeye shown. The shield and hammer are present, but Thor is shown dropping Mjolnir for whatever reason.

Shirtless Thor in the water has no hammer. There's lightning, yeah, but is *he* summoning it, or someone else...? And has Thor been shown to have the ability to summon electricity *without* the hammer?

Thor chokes out Tony in Avengers Tower. No hammer.

"The last battlefield" --- broken Cap shield. Fallen Thor. No hammer.

For the record, I don't think any of this means he physically *loses* Mjolnir. Instead, I think we're going to see Wanda, as a villain, get inside the heads of the Avengers and manipulate their darkest fears, anxieties and misgivings. It would explain why Banner seems to be having separation episodes from Hulk, or losing control over his changes; why Cap may be experiencing flashbacks to WWII; why Natasha could be having memories (good or bad...?) about her youth as a Russian ballerina; why Tony Stark seems to be reliving his "sabbatical" at Harley's garage in Tennessee from IM3. So maybe Wanda causes Thor to have doubts about his worthiness to wield Mjolnir, and part of the storyline involves the Avengers having to learn to literally believe in themselves again when all hope is lost.

 

[Loki882]

We only see his one hand in that shot. He could have it in the other hand, or it could be lying on the ground just offscreen, etc.

 

[cherokeesam]

We only see his one hand in that shot. He could have it in the other hand, or it could be lying on the ground just offscreen, etc.

Sure it could. Or maybe not.
What's the purpose of that shot? Cap's shield broken. Thor fallen. Having Thor without the hammer would simply reinforce the theme of the heroes (allegedly) broken and defeated. That theme would also be reinforced by the trailer prominently featuring Thor dropping Mjolnir in slo-mo.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Thor spends most of the trailer without Mjolnir.

The Quinjet scene: Thor without his hammer; Cap without his shield; Banner without his Hulk. Iron Man nowhere in sight, and probably butting heads with his former comrades Civil War-style by this point. (Just guessing that Hawkeye is piloting the jet.)

In a ruined building, presumably in Sokovia: Cap, Thor, Widow and Hawkeye shown. The shield and hammer are present, but Thor is shown dropping Mjolnir for whatever reason.

Shirtless Thor in the water has no hammer. There's lightning, yeah, but is *he* summoning it, or someone else...? And has Thor been shown to have the ability to summon electricity *without* the hammer?

Thor chokes out Tony in Avengers Tower. No hammer.

"The last battlefield" --- broken Cap shield. Fallen Thor. No hammer.

For the record, I don't think any of this means he physically *loses* Mjolnir. Instead, I think we're going to see Wanda, as a villain, get inside the heads of the Avengers and manipulate their darkest fears, anxieties and misgivings. It would explain why Banner seems to be having separation episodes from Hulk, or losing control over his changes; why Cap may be experiencing flashbacks to WWII; why Natasha could be having memories (good or bad...?) about her youth as a Russian ballerina; why Tony Stark seems to be reliving his "sabbatical" at Harley's garage in Tennessee from IM3. So maybe Wanda causes Thor to have doubts about his worthiness to wield Mjolnir, and part of the storyline involves the Avengers having to learn to literally believe in themselves again when all hope is lost.

Given that every time someone talks about her past, it's with a negative connotation. Like the whole "red in my ledger" thing. So it's probably bad.
But good for her characterization, because this is more or less a side character, who's never had a solo movie, who's going to have their past finally revealed to audiences.

I sort of hope we get the same with Bruce, since the continuity with TIH seems skewed. Scarlet Witch messing with him could be what gives Whedon a chance to solidify MCU Bruce's history a bit.

Now since we're speaking of an unstable Bruce and a Thor that doesn't feel worthy, I'm thinking Ultron does this to them early on, maybe right after the party scene.

The likes of Hulk and Thor can completely trash a lot of what the MCU has to offer in terms of threat. So until Ultron gets his vibranium form, keeping Thor and Bruce in a messed up state would be his top priority. I'm wondering if that would mean Steve, Tony, Nat and Clint are the first ones to work their way out of the Scarlet Witch induced funk, with our heavy hitters being the ones that spend the most time in mental purgatory (because that's where Wanda is concentrating the most), and coming back to their senses just in time to smash robots in the finale.

 

[cherokeesam]

Given that every time someone talks about her past, it's with a negative connotation. Like the whole "red in my ledger" thing. So it's probably bad.
But good for her characterization, because this is more or less a side character, who's never had a solo movie, who's going to have their past finally revealed to audiences.

I sort of hope we get the same with Bruce, since the continuity with TIH seems skewed. Scarlet Witch messing with him could be what gives Whedon a chance to solidify MCU Bruce's history a bit.

Now since we're speaking of an unstable Bruce and a Thor that doesn't feel worthy, I'm thinking Ultron does this to them early on, maybe right after the party scene.

The likes of Hulk and Thor can completely trash a lot of what the MCU has to offer in terms of threat. So until Ultron gets his vibranium form, keeping Thor and Bruce in a messed up state would be his top priority. I'm wondering if that would mean Steve, Tony, Nat and Clint are the first ones to work their way out of the Scarlet Witch induced funk, with our heavy hitters being the ones that spend the most time in mental purgatory (because that's where Wanda is concentrating the most), and coming back to their senses just in time to smash robots in the finale.

Or, to take it a bit further, maybe JUST Nat and Clint.
Look at it this way: Ultron and Wanda make sure that the two heaviest hitters, Thor and Hulk, are decommissioned with uber-angst. Cap (who loses his shield at some point; but he's still a super-soldier, so) and Tony are already starting to butt heads pre-Civil War. Hell, Tony might already be off the reservation in exile, either self-imposed or voted out by the team. Wouldn't it be deliciously ironic if it's left to the two "NORMAL" heroes -- Natasha & Clint -- to bring the team back together and figure out how to defeat Ultron?

 

[Bren]

Just on a side note - I wish Mjolnir (when dropped) just landed and stayed put - the 'bouncing' kinda seemed off.

 

[ThePhantasm]

Reasonable theory.

Also, in all of the shots in which I can't see a character's body below the waist, I assume they've lost their pants.

 

[CoherentChaos]

Or, to take it a bit further, maybe JUST Nat and Clint.
Look at it this way: Ultron and Wanda make sure that the two heaviest hitters, Thor and Hulk, are decommissioned with uber-angst. Cap (who loses his shield at some point; but he's still a super-soldier, so) and Tony are already starting to butt heads pre-Civil War. Hell, Tony might already be off the reservation in exile, either self-imposed or voted out by the team. Wouldn't it be deliciously ironic if it's left to the two "NORMAL" heroes -- Natasha & Clint -- to bring the team back together and figure out how to defeat Ultron?

t: That would actually be very great, and in line with what we've heard about Clint and Nat getting a pretty good focus this time around.

Buuut...

I still think that in order to make it to Pietro and Wanda and get them to join their cause, they may need Steve. Steve's sort of in the middle in terms of physical threat (he did struggle with Loki, so I imagine an 8 foot tall vibranium Ultron is not something he wants a 1 on 1 with), so he'd be a nice super powered buffer to assist Nat and Clint into getting where they need to be, and the symbolism he carries may be what sways the twins to their side. Basically, yes, Nat and Clint are bad ass, but I don't see them reasonably getting very far without at least someone wielding an indestructible shield.

Plus, we have a nice shot of Cap being saved by Pietro, and Cap jumping over cars on a street that looks similar to the streets Widow is seen driving on with Cap's shield on her motorcycle.

I dunno, all that gives the vibe that we're going to get a sequence where it's just the regular humans and the one super soldier being totally outclassed but doing their best to succeed in what basically amounts to a desperate mission to free their team from Wanda's influence so that they can have a chance at the head honcho.

But that's just a feeling. It's what I feel is the direction this is going in. Either one of us could be correct there. I wouldn't complain at all if it was just Clint and Nat. I'd just be biting my nails the entire time because they'd be completely over their heads.

 

[ciscostudent561]

I never was a fan of SW being able to mentally tamper with the Hulks mind nevermind even Thor.

 

[Raiden]

Thor's power has underwhelmed me in all of these movies. I hope that changes because I feel his character has a hard time standing out among the pack.

Yeah, I think Marvel has been downplaying Thor's powers so his teammates won't look too puny next to him. But they really need to make Thor as powerful as he really is.

 

[CoherentChaos]

I never was a fan of SW being able to mentally tamper with the Hulks mind nevermind even Thor.

I'm still kind of weirded out by it too, but I suppose the Hulk and Thor need some kind of weakness. Plus Thor has been fooled by the Enchantress before, so he is susceptible to mental f***ery.

But because they're probably going to have to incapacitate the heaviest hitters somehow so that Ultron doesn't get stomped before getting his vibranium, I'll be okay with Wanda having that kind of power.

I'm not even sure that has been confirmed yet. Not sure what's just a rumor anymore. But it seems like a logical step for the movie to take.

Anyways, as to Thor's power, I'm thinking the best way to justify his poor power showing post Thor 1, is that he's sooooo powerful that it's actually a detriment. He has to hold waaaaay the hell back in fear of completely leveling a city he's supposed to protect, or to avoid team killing. The most powerful feat we've seen from him was the Jotunheim buster, and that was when he was still arrogant. And even then, he was aware enough to give his companions a head start before he unleashed it.

In Avengers and even Thor 2, he just hasn't had the chance or justification to let loose like that. He's going to put himself at a severe disadvantage to avoid harming those that aren't his enemy. I just hope he gets Ultron nice and isolated at some point, so he can let loose some earth shattering lightning blast or Mjolnir strike.

 

[BigThor]

guaranteed thor is summoning lightning in that shirtless scene

Dude if Thor summons lighting without Mjolnir I might literally start foaming at the mouth.

 

[First Avenger]

Loved seeing plenty of Thor in the teaser,maybe he won't be underused as we al think he will be XD.

 

[BigThor]

guaranteed thor is summoning lightning in that shirtless scene

Loved seeing plenty of Thor in the teaser,maybe he won't be underused as we al think he will be XD.

I was thinking the same thing, we can only hope.

 

[HKpowerup]

But they really need to make Thor as powerful as he really is.

I don't think that's necessary, as he is already shown to be VERY powerful, more so than or the same as Hulk.

He was owning all the frost giants without breaking a sweat, and destroyed a huge chunk of Jotunheim land in the first movie. He fought Hulk in Avengers and only suffered a slight nose bleed at worst. He destroyed multiple leviathans and many of the Chitauri in that massive lightning blast too. And look how durable he was, swiftly recovering from a huge beating from Kurse, one of the most powerful beings so far in the MCU (third only to Odin and Thanos), in The Dark World.

Personally for me, I'm happy with the way Thor is portrayed. If they buff Thor to comic book levels, they need to buff the others too or else he's so powerful there will be no need for him to have to rely on the Avengers.

Just my 2 cents, cheers.

 

[Loki882]

NONE of the characters are as powerful as their CB counterparts (except for maybe Cap). That's because them being as uber-ridiculously powerful as they are in the comics wouldn't work as well in a movie.

 

[HKpowerup]

NONE of the characters are as powerful as their CB counterparts (except for maybe Cap). That's because them being as uber-ridiculously powerful as they are in the comics wouldn't work as well in a movie.

Exactly.

And I think you're right about Cap. We saw some insane durability for someone of Cap's level in Winter Soldier.