Drama USA_White Collar Series Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

I've enjoyed this season just as much as the first. The plots aren't really what I watch White Collar for in the first place. Neal and Peter's chemistry is, and that's been just as excellent straight through this season as it was in the first.

 

[Trainwreck2100]

I've enjoyed this season just as much as the first. The plots aren't really what I watch White Collar for in the first place. Neal and Peter's chemistry is, and that's been just as excellent straight through this season as it was in the first.

i'd like tiffany amber thiessan to spend less time in front of a green screen though,

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, those segments were terrible. But her character hasn't ever really contributed a whole lot to the series, to be honest. They should have an episode where something gets stolen from a big function she put together and the FBI has to investigate.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Neal and Peter's chemistry is, and that's been just as excellent straight through this season as it was in the first.

That's what annoys me. After everything that happened in season one and the premiere. I just don't buy that Peter would have iced Neal out to this point, at least regarding the music box investigate. Fowler I can see.

Reminds me of that BTAS ep were Batman was chasing Zuko and when Robin finds out he was pissed.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I can see it. It's exactly as Peter said: he wanted to protect Neal. Neal tends to fly off the handle and lose all sense of proper judgment where Kate is concerned, and that was when she was alive. I can imagine how chilling some of the possible outcomes that played out in Peter's head of his telling Neal about the music box must've been now that Neal's got the added problem of desperately wanting vengeance/closure after her death. That'd be the equivalent of waving a bottle of whiskey in front of a recovering alcoholic's face. Any ill-conceived revenge plots = more jail time for Neal, probably beyond what Peter would be able to help him with again. That's basically Peter's greatest fear about Neal at this point.

 

[Doctor Jones]

[BLACKOUT]Ep 11(tentatively) in January[/BLACKOUT]

Oh, ok then. Cool!

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I can see it. It's exactly as Peter said: he wanted to protect Neal. Neal tends to fly off the handle and lose all sense of proper judgment where Kate is concerned, and that was when she was alive. I can imagine how chilling some of the possible outcomes that played out in Peter's head of his telling Neal about the music box must've been now that Neal's got the added problem of desperately wanting vengeance/closure after her death. That'd be the equivalent of waving a bottle of whiskey in front of a recovering alcoholic's face. Any ill-conceived revenge plots = more jail time for Neal, probably beyond what Peter would be able to help him with again. That's basically Peter's greatest fear about Neal at this point.

Obviously as a dramatic point, Neal possibly shooting Fowler was always going to happen.

But has Peter ever seen a 80s revenge flick? Telling the grieving party to stay at home while the authorities do their work is asking for trouble. At least with Neal at his side, he, Diana, and Mozzie could keep a closer eye on him.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Eh, it's easy to rationalize it away when we know all of the facts. We realized Neal wouldn't fly off the handle because we watched him patiently gathering information on Kate's death on his own for weeks. Peter didn't have that knowledge until just recently, so he believed it might be better if Neal didn't know the music box was still within arm's reach. Granted, it may have been an ill-conceived move (especially continuing to lie to Neal after Neal flat-out asked him about the music box), but it was understandable in the context. His concern overpowered his rational decision-making; Neal, after all, is as much Peter's blind spot as Kate is Neal's.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Eh, it's easy to rationalize it away when we know all of the facts. We realized Neal wouldn't fly off the handle because we watched him patiently gathering information on Kate's death on his own for weeks. Peter didn't have that knowledge until just recently, so he believed it might be better if Neal didn't know the music box was still within arm's reach.

Nope. Peter knew in the premiere that Neal was investigating the explosion from jail with Mozzie. So yeah, he's just going to stop now that he's out. (eyerolls at Peter)lol

Granted, it may have been an ill-conceived move (especially continuing to lie to Neal after Neal flat-out asked him about the music box), but it was understandable in the context. His concern overpowered his rational decision-making; Neal, after all, is as much Peter's blind spot as Kate is Neal's.

I guess that's also part of the problem. Peter never believed Kate was innocent so why would he now? There was no discussion of why he didn't simply think she got killed while manipulating Neal.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

That was a pretty good finale.

I had figured that Fowler was blackmailed over his wife's death. Not sure about the Patchwork Man storyline with the music notes.

 

[Paradox1]

Good Finale though they really had me for a minute with Alex but then they had to do that to you know who and now I'm like NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Matt]

Gotta admit, White Collar always brings its A-game with its finales.

Anyone else thinking there's a chance that [blackout]Mozz is actually dead?[/blackout]

It would definitely be a bold move and would really define the show. Though I'm thinking it was [blackout]A sting op by Peter. The premiere will reveal that some time passed between the apartment and the shooting, enough to ensure Mozz's safety and set up the shooter.[/blackout]

 

[TheComicbookKid]

It would definitely be a bold move and would really define the show. Though I'm thinking it was [blackout]A sting op by Peter. The premiere will reveal that some time passed between the apartment and the shooting, enough to ensure Mozz's safety and set up the shooter.[/blackout]

[BLACKOUT] Considering Peter didn't even know Mozzie was a possible target, I'm not sure how he could have set a sting. Plus Patchwork Man took the notes from Mozzie's pocket so if he had met Peter, he would have given it to him.
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[Hunter Rider]

That finale was awesome, easily the most intense episode in the shows history, we've never seen Neal's cool slip before and the threat was much higher than ever before.

I loved how things came full circle with Neal playing his oldest con routine on the FBI in order to get to Alex, slick stuff and was I the only one left wanting more "Catwoman" Alex?

The scene where Neal goes after Fowler was superbly edited, ratcheting up the tension to the max before the money shot, Peter trying to talk Neal down was probably the most dramatic moment the two have had together and really showed their relationship beyond the banter and buddy stuff.

The episode may well be a game changer for the show if they don't bottle the ending, as much as I love Mozzie that ending raises the bar for the show and ups the stakes.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Well, the ending shocked me. Twice with Alex then with Mozzie.

Great finale all around. I loved the sequence of Neal getting to Fowler. I want to do the throw the gun around the metal detector and catch it trick.

I also loved the use of the "How Do You Like Me Now" song.

 

[Matt]

[BLACKOUT] Considering Peter didn't even know Mozzie was a possible target, I'm not sure how he could have set a sting. Plus Patchwork Man took the notes from Mozzie's pocket so if he had met Peter, he would have given it to him.
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It could've been a plant. Again, we don't know how much time passed between Neal's apartment and Mozzie's shooting. There's a chance that it was enough time for Peter to slap a vest and blood pack on him and set up a sting op. That would be my guess.

That finale was awesome, easily the most intense episode in the shows history, we've never seen Neal's cool slip before and the threat was much higher than ever before.

I loved how things came full circle with Neal playing his oldest con routine on the FBI in order to get to Alex, slick stuff and was I the only one left wanting more "Catwoman" Alex?

The scene where Neal goes after Fowler was superbly edited, ratcheting up the tension to the max before the money shot, Peter trying to talk Neal down was probably the most dramatic moment the two have had together and really showed their relationship beyond the banter and buddy stuff.

The episode may well be a game changer for the show if they don't bottle the ending, as much as I love Mozzie that ending raises the bar for the show and ups the stakes.

The Peter/Neal relationship continues to be this show's tentpole. It is easily one of the most touching on television today.

But Alex....Neal needs to get over Kate and get with Alex so she can be a regular. t:

Well, the ending shocked me. Twice with Alex then with Mozzie.

Great finale all around. I loved the sequence of Neal getting to Fowler. I want to do the throw the gun around the metal detector and catch it trick.

I also loved the use of the "How Do You Like Me Now" song.

It seems like each finale we get to see Neal go rogue and do something awesome. In the first mid-season finale he had his awesome escape from the judge's chambers. In the season finale he robbed the embassay, and now this. Neal going rogue in finales = win. t:

 

[Hunter Rider]

It could've been a plant. Again, we don't know how much time passed between Neal's apartment and Mozzie's shooting. There's a chance that it was enough time for Peter to slap a vest and blood pack on him and set up a sting op. That would be my guess.

I really hope not, I want the stakes raised and if this supposed pro hit man failed to confirm the kill then they are already inept and the ending is a con.

The Peter/Neal relationship continues to be this show's tentpole. It is easily one of the most touching on television today.

But Alex....Neal needs to get over Kate and get with Alex so she can be a regular. t:

Agreed, they are one of my all time favourite buddy buddy duos.

Indeed! Neal has been through enough, he needs some comfort sex and Alex is just dying to provide it for him. t:

 

[Matt]

Indeed.

I hope its not a con. I honestly am hoping that Mozz doesn't make it. It would raise the stakes infinitely. One thing that makes me wonder if he will is the way Alex and Neal parted. Mozz is Neal's connection to the criminal underworld. Now that he can have regular contact with Alex, he may not need Mozz to fill that role. Still, it seems kinda cruel to take Mozz from him (and the viewer).

 

[Hunter Rider]

I think you could be onto something there, the show could probably use another woman as Elizabeth is really in the background and Diane, while great, doesn't offer any potential chemistry with Neal. Adding Alex as Neal's new contact back into the underworld fraternity is an ideal move.....I will miss Mozzie though.

 

[Matt]

Mozz dying could also give Neal a new sense of purpose. So far, Neal has been catching criminals not because its the right thing, but because it keeps him out of jail. Mozz's death could be the thing that puts Neal on the path to doing the right thing for the right reason.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Yeah that seems like it could well be a catalyst to furthering Neal's character arc, plus Neal's drive to catch who is behind the music box mystery will not only intensify but become more relatable for the viewer as we never really knew the Kate character at all, where Mozzie was a fan favourite.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I can't believe what I'm reading.t:

Alex is not going to help the FBI in any way unless her life is in danger. Mozzie may not trust J Edgar Hoover but he will always help Neal.


Mozzie will be back next ep.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I can't believe what I'm reading.t:

Alex is not going to help the FBI in any way unless her life is in danger. Mozzie may not trust J Edgar Hoover but he will always help Neal.


Mozzie will be back next ep.

She's not helping the FBI she's helping Neal since it's failry obvious she has a thing for him, plus the show could do with a bit of spice in that department

If Mozzie is back the finale will have been a waste of time.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

She's not helping the FBI she's helping Neal since it's failry obvious she has a thing for him, plus the show could do with a bit of spice in that department.

Alex has never done anything that didn't help her in some way. That's why I like her. If too many people from Neal's old live can just waltz into the new one, then the entire will he/won't he return to crime becomes silly.

If Mozzie is back the finale will have been a waste of time.

Oh you mean like Peter being ev... or Diana stealing the box on her own for nefario... oh wait.

Hell, even Fowler turned out to be a total wimp. Where's the loveable jerk that set up that jewel thief and had a judge in his pocket.

 

[Matt]

Yeah that seems like it could well be a catalyst to furthering Neal's character arc, plus Neal's drive to catch who is behind the music box mystery will not only intensify but become more relatable for the viewer as we never really knew the Kate character at all, where Mozzie was a fan favourite.

I still have my doubts if Kate is really dead. If she's not, and if she is working with Fowler's boss, then we need something that really makes Neal hate her. Otherwise he will continue to see what he wants to see (she's being blackmailed, she's being lied to, etc). If Kate is really a baddie, she needs to do something to make the audience and Neal hate her. Ordering Mozz's death could be just that.