Venom now has a stand alone film, according to the studio.

[Spider-ManHero12]

so has it been confirmed if this is a spinOff of SPIDEY3 or a whole new venom, or not even the eddie brock Venom, like that new venom... anyone know?

Nope, hardly anything has been confirmed yet. Only thing that has been confirmed is that this film will be coming out.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

I don't know, it traveled across space in a meteor so perhaps this version can live as long as no one throws a pumpkin bomb at it.

LOL

 

[Cagefighterkip]

Nope, hardly anything has been confirmed yet. Only thing that has been confirmed is that this film will be coming out.

oh ok --
if they do this right, it could be awesome. but im afraid this'll be like ELEKTRA. a very violent adult oriented character in a light PG13 movie. i just feel it wont work out; especially if they give it the LETHAL PROTECTOR edge yknow? if they try to make him a hero...

 

[Booznian]

Wolverine Spin off.
Magneto Spin off.
Venom Spin off.

Okay, take it slow guys, take it in slow.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

oh ok --
if they do this right, it could be awesome. but im afraid this'll be like ELEKTRA. a very violent adult oriented character in a light PG13 movie. i just feel it wont work out; especially if they give it the LETHAL PROTECTOR edge yknow? if they try to make him a hero...

Well, the Lethal Protector edge may be the only route to take if Carnage was to be in the film. I'm not really a big fan of Anti-Hero Venom, but if it's gonig to make the film good, then I am 100% supporting it. Afterall, I am a huge Venom fan.

 

[Booznian]

Wolverine Spin off.
Magneto Spin off.
Venom Spin off.

Okay, take it slow guys, take it in slow.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

Wolverine Spin off.
Magneto Spin off.
Venom Spin off.

Okay, take it slow guys, take it in slow.

you forgot the Silver Surfer spinoff and rumored Juggernaut spinoff

 

[The Joker]

Wolverine Spin off.
Magneto Spin off.
Venom Spin off.

Okay, take it slow guys, take it in slow.

The difference between them being that Wolverine and Magneto have interesting stories to tell, and can work as solo characters.

Venom cannot. He was created as an enemy to Spidey, and that's the only way he works.

 

[Blader5489]

Venom cannot. He was created as an enemy to Spidey, and that's the only way he works.

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that most of those solo Venom stories came out during the 90s, an era that nearly killed the comic industry with its complete lack of quality. "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" was a recent solo Venom story, and it was easily the character's best. So it's certainly possible to create a good story for a Venom spin-off.

As long this spin-off is more "Last Temptation" than "Lethal Protector," it might be a decent flick.

 

[Warhammer]

Perhaps, but couldnt the same thing be said about Blade? Blade was created solely as an enemy to Dracula in the old Tomb Of Dracula comic, yet went on to headline a three movie franchise.

It can be done. I honestly believe every single Marvel hero or villain can be done on the big screen, with the right people behind it.

Blade's backstory was rewritten, though. Not his motive. They didn't change him from a hero to a villain. They will do exactly that to Venom. Change his essential character.

Oh well, I still believe that if this film does become confirmed, it will rot in development hell just as it's predecessor did (The script was horrible!).

Well, hell; The WB can't even get Wonder Woman, Flash, or Green Lantern off the ground. Let's not put the cart before the horse here. t:

It should focus on how Venom has created the perfect ham and cheese sandwich, and Carnage steals the sandwich and eats it. Thus Venom chases Carnage through the city, blood, death and hilarity follow.

The difference between them being that Wolverine and Magneto have interesting stories to tell, and can work as solo characters.

Venom cannot. He was created as an enemy to Spidey, and that's the only way he works.

I agree.

I'll even throw this out there. Even though Doctor Doom is my favorite villain in all of comics, I wouldn't even want him to have a solo movie. It shouldn't work that way.

 

[The Joker]

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that most of those solo Venom stories came out during the 90s, an era that nearly killed the comic industry with its complete lack of quality.

Exactly my point. A general lack of quality all around. Especially from those solo Venom stories, with all that anti-hero BS! We all know why they went with that. The stalking Spidey thing got stale. Wasn't going anywhere. And, when a personal conflict doesn't progress, it gets boring.

So, they came up with that anti-hero bushwah as an excuse to keep him around. Venom is a one note character. He really doesn't have much replay value in stories.

"The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" was a recent solo Venom story, and it was easily the character's best. So it's certainly possible to create a good story for a Venom spin-off.

But, that story was based off him having cancer, and Aunt May being sick in the hospital from the Civil War storyline etc.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Not necessarily. Keep in mind that most of those solo Venom stories came out during the 90s, an era that nearly killed the comic industry with its complete lack of quality. "The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock" was a recent solo Venom story, and it was easily the character's best. So it's certainly possible to create a good story for a Venom spin-off.

As long this spin-off is more "Last Temptation" than "Lethal Protector," it might be a decent flick.

The Last Temptation of Eddie Brock is a great story, but we have to see Eddie brock as Venom in the film. Besides, starting off from nowhere wouldn't make sense. As I said, Lethal Protector Venom is defenitley what this film is leaning towards, and as long as it has a good story, etc, I don't have a problem with it.

 

[Visionary]

Venom is a one note character. He really doesn't have much replay value in stories.

True, but let's face it, if you think that Marvel isn't going to find away to make more money off of Venom geeks, you don't know Marvel.

 

[Blader5489]

But, that story was based off him having cancer, and Aunt May being sick in the hospital from the Civil War storyline etc.

Those are circumstances. The basic story of Eddie wrestling for control with the symbiote, being haunted by it, could still be done, especially in the aftermath of SM3.

That's what I mean when I say it should be more "Last Temptation" than "Lethal Protector"--it should focus on Eddie's tortured psyche, which manifests itself as Venom, not be any of that ridiculous "I was innocent, once" crap.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Venom was underused really in "Spider-Man 3" still was cool to see him but his death was disappointing. As I see it a solo film might be cool but than again we've seen this before with "Electra." The other question is would Topher return for a Venom movie. Personally, I think it's cool but the only way to do a Venom movie right would be to make it a hard PG-13 or R and introduce Carnage as the villain.

 

[Lantern Venom]

The difference between them being that Wolverine and Magneto have interesting stories to tell, and can work as solo characters.

Venom cannot. He was created as an enemy to Spidey, and that's the only way he works.

Not at all. Venom works because he's such a wild card. He's too brutal and impetuous to really be a hero. He's got too much heart to really be a villian. There is a plethora of stories that can be written with a character like that.

Venom was underused really in "Spider-Man 3" still was cool to see him but his death was disappointing. As I see it a solo film might be cool but than again we've seen this before with "Electra." The other question is would Topher return for a Venom movie. Personally, I think it's cool but the only way to do a Venom movie right would be to make it a hard PG-13 or R and introduce Carnage as the villain.

Grace has said he is not coming back. It's a good thing because the movie would be dead in the water with him as the lead.

 

[NinjaTurtleFan]

Grace has said he is not coming back. It's a good thing because the movie would be dead in the water with him as the lead.

I don't know I liked Grace's Brock but his Venom wasn't anything spectacular. I understood Raimi was going for a mirrored-image of "This is what Peter's life would be if he was Eddie Brock/Venom" but I want a guy who can be nasty as Brock and is equally nasty as Venom. If Topher could bulk up and look like Brock from the old comics I'd be fine with that, it mostly was Topher's Brock was a mix of Ultimate Brock and old Brock. I want old Brock if they make a solo movie, big, muscular, real badass guy, someone who could kill you with or without the symbiote suit.

 

[AIRWOLF]

You know, I think it would be better if they focussed the movie about Spider-Man and Venom conflict. As in name it "Spider-Man: The Alien Crisis" or something along that line rather than "Venom". Have Venom as the central focus of the movie, the main threat, but as well tell the story through Spider-Man's and Eddie's perspective; starting from where Spidey began his day with the alien suit. How Eddie felt about Spider-Man and Peter Parker as separate entities, what went around in his mind generally. How Eddie functioned after becoming Venom? How Spider-Man dealt with this problem of meeting his nemesis? This way, not much would need to changed and story could still go a little deeper by having the movie narrated through both individuals.

Heck, I would accept if they made an animated movie out of this. It would be better this way, Spider-Man standalone movie; not pertaining to Sam's movies. If Sony has rights to those characters, they can do it I suppose.

 

[The Joker]

Those are circumstances. The basic story of Eddie wrestling for control with the symbiote, being haunted by it, could still be done, especially in the aftermath of SM3.

But, in the aftermath of SM-3, he would not wrestle with it or be haunted by it. He loved it. He wanted it. He died for it, for goodness sake.

The reason he was being haunted by it in 'Last Temptation' is because he rejected it by selling it off because he was dying of cancer. He then went and slit his wrists.

Why would he be haunted by it after SM-3?

Not at all. Venom works because he's such a wild card. He's too brutal and impetuous to really be a hero. He's got too much heart to really be a villian. There is a plethora of stories that can be written with a character like that.

Rubbish. None of the solo stories they tried with him have ever worked. Ever. Ae you honestly trying to tell me that you bought the whole "I must protect the innocent" crap?

That he suddenly went from murderous vendetta against Spidey to self appointed hero? Even teaming with Spider-Man on several occasions?

It was ridiculous. Venom never worked as a character on his own. Ever. For the simple reason that his entire existence, his creation, is based on hating Spider-Man. Even the roots for that were piss weak in the comic books.

Even Sam Raimi said he found the character to be extremely weak the more he researched him.

 

[Lantern Venom]

But, in the aftermath of SM-3, he would not wrestle with it or be haunted by it. He loved it. He wanted it. He died for it, for goodness sake.

The reason he was being haunted by it in 'Last Temptation' is because he rejected it by selling it off because he was dying of cancer. He then went and slit his wrists.

Why would he be haunted by it after SM-3?



Rubbish. None of the solo stories they tried with him have ever worked. Ever. Ae you honestly trying to tell me that you bought the whole "I must protect the innocent" crap?

That he suddenly went from murderous vendetta against Spidey to self appointed hero? Even teaming with Spider-Man on several occasions?

It was ridiculous. Venom never worked as a character on his own. Ever. For the simple reason that his entire existence, his creation, is based on hating Spider-Man. Even the roots for that were piss weak in the comic books.

Even Sam Raimi said he found the character to be extremely weak the more he researched him.

Yes, I loved it and it wasn't ridiculous.. It was always part of his character. In his first full story and his subsequent escape from the Vault, we saw him mourning the deaths of two guards. It wasn't long before he stopped in the middle of a fight w/ Spidey to save a baby. He also made references to not working with other villians because his hatred was a personal vendetta against Spidey alone. That is an extremely complex character.
As far as Raimi is concerned, he is a doofus who's blind allegiance to golden age villains only cost SM3 it's most compelling character ( aside from Spidey ) and storyline.

 

[AIRWOLF]

Rubbish. None of the solo stories they tried with him have ever worked. Ever. Ae you honestly trying to tell me that you bought the whole "I must protect the innocent" crap?

That he suddenly went from murderous vendetta against Spidey to self appointed hero? Even teaming with Spider-Man on several occasions?

It was ridiculous. Venom never worked as a character on his own. Ever. For the simple reason that his entire existence, his creation, is based on hating Spider-Man. Even the roots for that were piss weak in the comic books.

Even Sam Raimi said he found the character to be extremely weak the more he researched him.

Joker, you're right about most of the stuff you have mentioned here, but however, the character could still tweaked enough to work. That was a rubbish excuse on Sam's part to not find Venom interesting. Just like Sandman, he wasn't much of a multi-dimensional character. But Sam managed to fill the blanks for Sandman, without changing the man from what he was; a petty thief and he worked for the movie; and you know this to be true; Sam's personal bias toward the character (Venom) had much to do with it. The way you state your opinion, there would be no way to ever make Venom interesting. You have entrapped him with your argument about how he should be what he is. If they don't change him, he would never work in any movie and perhaps even in comics, he would remain the stale character he is, as you mentioned.

As you said before, his Anti-Hero stuff was bushwah, well tell me something that might work for Venom. You didn't like the idea of an anti-hero. But then if Venom was to shift his focus from Spidey to say Carnage, that wouldn't work as well now would it? Because the same argument will raised again; that his sole target is supposed to be Spider-Man and his destruction. If they don't change the character, then what should they do? Forget about his movie for a second, just think about his Comic version. Even in comics he isn't that interesting than he used to be in his first couple of appearances. You yourself mentioned that his "stalking" was getting old and because of that they came up with Anti-Hero BS? Well Venom is supposed to be a psychopathic murderer, now what's so bad about making him a delusional person who thinks he is doing good when he is doing evil. Think about it.

 

[Jick]

like I said in 2 or 3 other threads like this...as long as this movie has nothing to do to SM3...I'm ok.

 

[The_Beav]

We are living in times where creativity is waining. Movies and TV full of spinoffs, sequels and prequels.

Perhaps Venom will be like killing two birds with one stone. It could be a spinoff to Spiderman and a prequel to what the symbiote was before Peter Parker. And if that does not disgust you, maybe they'll make him a child and Carnage some galactic overlord chasing him down.

Remember, no matter how bad they might make it, it could be far worse (I hope).

 

[The Joker]

Yes, I loved it and it wasn't ridiculous.. It was always part of his character. In his first full story and his subsequent escape from the Vault, we saw him mourning the deaths of two guards.

You mean the two guards he killed so he could escape to try and kill Spidey?

He also made references to not working with other villians because his hatred was a personal vendetta against Spidey alone.

Exactly my point!

He only works as an enemy to Spider-Man. That's his entire basis for being. He doesn't work solo.

That is an extremely complex character.

No, it really isn't.

As far as Raimi is concerned, he is a doofus who's blind allegiance to golden age villains only cost SM3 it's most compelling character ( aside from Spidey ) and storyline.

Raimi made Venom more compelling than he ever was in the comic books, by giving him genuine reasons for hating Peter. Not the ludicrous crap the comic books spewed.

"Spider-Man caught a serial killer. And even though we never met, and he doesn't even know me, I hate him. He ruined my life. He has to die!!!!!!"

LOL!

Joker, you're right about most of the stuff you have mentioned here, but however, the character could still tweaked enough to work.

And what tweak would that be?

That was a rubbish excuse on Sam's part to not find Venom interesting. Just like Sandman, he wasn't much of a multi-dimensional character. But Sam managed to fill the blanks for Sandman, without changing the man from what he was; a petty thief and he worked for the movie

Sam was spot on about Venom. Spot on. He saw the character for exactly what he is.

As for Sandman, what did he radically change about him [aside from the Uncle Ben crap]? Sandman was a layered character in the comic books. He turned good for years in the comic books. Joined Silver Sable. Even fought with the Avengers.

Showed care for families and children. For example, when Ock reformed the Sinister Six, he had to threaten to kill the family Sandman was boarding with in order to make him co-operate.

So, giving him his own family in the movie was not a huge leap for the character at all.

Brock was completely changed, because his comic book counterpart is piss weak. He was a photographer, not a reporter. He actually KNEW Peter Parker, and Peter did actually get Brock fired. There was a real actual connection between them. And, then there was the Gwen Stacy thing.

The way you state your opinion, there would be no way to ever make Venom interesting.

Because there is no way.

You tell me what would make him interesting without radically changing him. What would make him a multi-dimensional character with some soul, that could carry a movie that people would want to sit and watch for 2 hours?

As you said before, his Anti-Hero stuff was bushwah, well tell me something that might work for Venom.

Nothing. That's why I know this movie will fail. Venom's story was done and dusted in SM-3.

All this spin off is, if it even happens, is just a shameless, shallow money maker. Nothing more.

You didn't like the idea of an anti-hero. But then if Venom was to shift his focus from Spidey to say Carnage, that wouldn't work as well now would it?

Carnage has even less dimension than Brock. So no. Two shallow characters in conflict?

Yuck.

Because the same argument will raised again; that his sole target is supposed to be Spider-Man and his destruction. If they don't change the character, then what should they do?

Don't make the movie

 

[Jick]

Raimi made Venom more compelling than he ever was in the comic books, by giving him genuine reasons for hating Peter. Not the ludicrous crap the comic books spewed.

haha, what?
I have to disagree here, man. you're so wrong in this point.
Raimi totally screwed Venom.
by genuine reasons for hating Peter you mean being fired from his job because of trying to frame Spidey and for being dumped by the girl he wasn't even dating?
that's crap.
the right thing was in the comics. just see:
in the movie he was fired because he framed Spidey. Peter was just defending himself, his carrer. his image. in the comics Brock was fired because he was trying to hide the identidy of Sin-Eater (for their own motives), and gave a false Sin-Eater to the Globe. Spider-Man delievered the right one because it was the right thing to do. it was nothing personal to Brock.
in the movie he was saying that Spidey took his girl from him. bull*****. a girl he wasn't even dating. in the comics he had a wife. not just some girl he liked. a wife. and he lost her because of that, too.
in the movie he had.....NOTHING else. just those dumb reasons. in the comics he also had cancer, and was dishonored by his father. his life was a real piece of cr@p. he was working on cheap gossip magazines, trying to utter loath Spider-Man. his was miserable.
see? in the comics his hatred was really well developed, had strong reasons.
but in the movie it was just that bs.