Venom now has a stand alone film, according to the studio.

[The Joker]

3) Now onto the movie Venom. Before I saw the movie, I was against this. I was against Topher Grace being cast as Venom. But then I decided, why not give him a chance. Who the hell am I to complain, right? I'm just a faceless person on the internet. And guess what? I was impressed! My only complaints is Eddie/Venom should have had a little more screen time development, but maybe a Spider-Man 3.1 will fix that. But I do think it improves on Venom. First off, we get a good origin. Instead of that secret wars junk, we get an alien who arrived to earth via meteorite to start a list. We see prior interaction between Brock and Parker, we see Peter humiliate and ruin Eddie Brocks career, in front of everyone, and to top it off, steal the girl he is obsessed with.

This post is a thing of beauty and a joy forever!

Anyway as I said in another thread.....

Movie Version is better

He was.

Brock just needed more screen time. But, the principle of the character and the motivations against Spidey were much better than what the comics offered.

 

[Blader5489]

I would've liked to see the way Venom was originally planned to be, for better or for worse.

He was originally planned to be Vulture.

 

[Lantern Venom]

LOL! And, that's stupid element number one to Brock right there. Suddenly getting revenge on the man who supposedly ruined his life is not a focus. The very reason for his creation is not a priority.

Translation: The writers got bored with their boring, cliche feud, and had to make some drastic changes to an already stale character.

You know it. I know it. We all know it.

What I know is that Venom transitioned into an anti-hero. I saw it coming in 1989. It was the next logical step from a wild-card character.


It makes zero sense. To focus your hatred on an exterior tormentor whom you believe destroyed everything you hold dear, then to suddenly just drop it, makes no sense.

He didn't just drop it. He and Spidey clashed several times before making fragile peace with one another than of course, didn't last. If Ann hadn't been there to make Eddie see reason for only a few seconds, even that wouldn't have happened.

As for compelling, it couldn't be more boring. Which is why Lethal Protector was cancelled. Sales were crap for it. It's down as one of the worst periods in the 90's comics.

The Lethal Protector wasn't canceled. It was the 6 issue mini-series that was followed by numerous other minis like The Hunger, The Enemy Within, The Madness, Separation Anxiety and eventually an 18 issue Venom series. Venom sustained as a non-Spidey character for the better part of ten years. That is fact.


And this is why you keep proving my point. You keep restating the BS that was going thru his mind. We know he made a ridiculous, implausible connection to Spider-Man.

That's why it's lame. That's why it's unbelievable. That's why it lacks any basis or substance. A feud based on delusional fantasy.

Who's "we"? Venom has always had a large fanbase. Obviously, not everyone agrees with you. Moreover, the intricate delusions of a man like Eddie Brock, based on a professional slight, and being fed by an alien spurned by Peter Parker is a direct connection whether you want to admit it or not.


That is nothing. It is absurd, unbeliavable, ridiculous logic. Why didn't he seek a vendetta on the fool who provided him with the wrong source for his story? Why didn't he blame him for ruining his life? He was the one who wronged him. He's the one he had dealings with. Not Spidey. That would have made some sense.

What kind of moron lays blame on the good guy who catches a serial killer?

A mentally ill one. You didn't catch that? Wow.

You got no sense this guy had emotional issues? How about telling everyone that he's going to marry a girl who he only shared a coffee with?
How about a guy who describes having a coffee as "An amazing, amazing night".

He was transparent and laughable. The Animated Series did more in 5 minutes to establish Eddie Brock's relationship with Spider-man as long-nursed grudge that would lead to their blood feud.



LOL! Movie Brock had his issues. And the fact that we were shown he was cocky and underhanded, let the audience know that when he was going to be exposed, he would not take it well at all. And he had the grounds to hate Peter for it.

We were not fed a ridiculous story about a moron who makes a vendetta with a complete stranger over nothing.

It was rubbish. Had Raimi wanted to do the job right, he would have taken the time to establish Brock & Parker's heated relationship in Spidey 1 & 2. It wouldn't have taken much time. Obviously, he didn't want Venom so when he was forced to put him in the movie, he went with a thrown-together story in which Eddie just happened to be at the same church where Peter was taking off the symbiote. If that isn't a convenient plot device, I don't know what is. LOL!



In fact, why don't you list to me what radical effects Venom has had on Peter's life. What would be different in Peter's life now if Venom never existed? We know if Ock and Goblin were never around, Captain Stacy, Gwen Stacy, Harry etc would still be alive.

But what about Venom? What impact has he had on Peter? Absolutely nothing. At least in the movies his actions resulted in killing Harry. Raimi made him more of a threat than he ever was in the comics.

There is a reason that Spiderman has always referred to Venom as the villain that makes him lose the most sleep. He showed up at Pete's home and terrorized his wife. He stalked Parker around city. He showed up at Aunt May's home an threatened her. Maybe you can't understand the psychological toll that took on Spidey but it was obivous to me. He always screwed with Peter's head. That's the hallmark of a great villain.
Later on, he helped Peter stop the Maximum Carnage onslaught and defeat an entire race of symbiotes. I'd say those are pretty big events in Spidey's life.



The motivation was baseless. That's what you cannot seem to grasp. There was no motivation to blame it on Spider-Man. None whatsoever.

What you can't seem to grasp is that Venom was two entities, both nursing a vendetta against Parker. Remember that little thing called the "Secret Wars"? I'd say Parker and the symbiote were pretty close for awhile. LOL!


Obviously, you haven't. Read Marvel Knights #1-12. He actually sold it off to a gangster, and then slit his wrists.

Yes, I have. Your point? Do you have one?

Joker sees himself as a performance artist. And Gotham City is his stage. The inhabitants are his audience. His schemes always involve him flaunting himself as to what he can do.

"It's a chance for my greatest show ever, Harley. I cannot disappoint the masses".

It's never about the killing. He finds it fun, and enjoys it, but it is not his focus. It's a means to an end.

Carnage doesn't kill with any particular style or theme. He doesn't deliberately kill in front of an audience. He doesn't announce his schemes on TV for everyone to hear like it's a show coming to town. He doesn't have a specific goal for this killing.

He just likes to kill. Joker and Carnage are apples and oranges.

Once again, I never said their styles were similar, only their ultimate goal. The Joker is a gleeful mass murder just like Carnage.

 

[The Joker]

What I know is that Venom transitioned into an anti-hero. I saw it coming in 1989. It was the next logical step from a wild-card character.

You're the only one I've ever seen claim they saw that coming.

He didn't just drop it. He and Spidey clashed several times before making fragile peace with one another

Yes, he did.

Once their feud got stale, the writers brought in Carnage, and hey presto, Spidey and Venom fighting side by side.

The Lethal Protector wasn't canceled. It was the 6 issue mini-series that was followed by numerous other minis like The Hunger, The Enemy Within, The Madness, Separation Anxiety and eventually an 18 issue Venom series. Venom sustained as a non-Spidey character for the better part of ten years. That is fact.

You're not getting the point. They all sold very poorly. And in the case of the Venom series, it was cancelled. They're down as some of the worst stories spawned from the 90's.

Ask anywhere if you doubt me. Look it up.

A mentally ill one. You didn't catch that? Wow.

Ah, so the cliche "He's just crazy" is the defence for the poor motivations against Spidey?

Wow indeed.

He was transparent and laughable. The Animated Series did more in 5 minutes to establish Eddie Brock's relationship with Spider-man as long-nursed grudge that would lead to their blood feud.

The 90's animated series followed same suit as the movie. Spidey stopped Brock from ruining Conner's life by exposing him as The Lizard. Thus, humiliating him in front of Jameson.
Then, when Brock lied about Spider-Man raiding John Jameson's shuttle, and denying Rhino's presence there, Spidey told Jameson the truth, and was backed up by John. Brock got fired for that, and Jameson announced on the News that Brock was a liar, thus ruining his reputation.

Brock was an underhanded character in the 90's cartoon, who had real connections to Spider-Man. That's what people want to see. Not this emotional, delusional BS you're talking about.

Brock just being crazy just doesn't cut it.

Who's "we"?

Every Venom fan who's stepped into this thread so far, save for you and Jick. They see the flaws of the character's motivations. Unlike you, you claim it to be compelling literature.

Fair enough, that's your opinion. But, no offence, you certainly haven't backed up that opinion very well.

It was rubbish. Had Raimi wanted to do the job right, he would have taken the time to establish Brock & Parker's heated relationship in Spidey 1 & 2. It wouldn't have taken much time.

That is one thing I will agree with. Brock could have done with more screen time. But, the motivations of the character were solid.

Obviously, he didn't want Venom so when he was forced to put him in the movie, he went with a thrown-together story in which Eddie just happened to be at the same church where Peter was taking off the symbiote. If that isn't a convenient plot device, I don't know what is. LOL!

The Spidey movies are full of plot conviences. That's not the point we're discussing here.

There is a reason that Spiderman has always referred to Venom as the villain that makes him lose the most sleep. He showed up at Pete's home and terrorized his wife.

Big deal. Green Goblin has done that and worse. Doc Ock actually lived in the Parker home at one point, ended up trashing it, and caused Aunt May to have a stroke.

He stalked Parker around city. He showed up at Aunt May's home an threatened her.

Been done by Ock and Gobby. And they did it better. They put Peter's loved ones thru the mill. May in hospital. May buried alived. Black Cat in hospital on life support. Peter's baby killed etc.

And your defence is Brock's stalking and idle threatening? Amateur night in dixie compared to the big boys.

Maybe you can't understand the psychological toll that took on Spidey but it was obivous to me.

Yes, you seem to be able to see things in the character alot of us missed. I'm not saying Venom never put the frighteners on Peter. Of course he did.

But, it was no more special or stand out than what Goblin and Ock have inflicted on him in the past. They were worse, because they crossed the line.

Later on, he helped Peter stop the Maximum Carnage onslaught and defeat an entire race of symbiotes. I'd say those are pretty big events in Spidey's life.

Nothing extraordinary there. Nothing that had any kind of dramatic effect on Peter's life. Nothing that made him learn any great lessons as a hero etc.

Maximum Carnage was just an empty action fest with a bunch of villains and heros thrown together in a random royal rumble.

What you can't seem to grasp is that Venom was two entities, both nursing a vendetta against Parker. Remember that little thing called the "Secret Wars"? I'd say Parker and the symbiote were pretty close for awhile. LOL!

LOL indeed. Because Brock's grudge was baseless. I know the symbiote hated him for the rejection. That you can buy. But, not Brock's.

Simple as that.

Yes, I have. Your point? Do you have one?

Well, if you read them, then you would have recalled Brock selling off the symbiote because he was dying of cancer.

Something you said you did not recall.

Once again, I never said their styles were similar, only their ultimate goal. The Joker is a gleeful mass murder just like Carnage.

But, Joker's ultimate goal is not mass murder

Do I have to list a string of stories for you where he had an actual goal that was not just killing people?

 

[Lantern Venom]

You're the only one I've ever seen claim they saw that coming.

I guess the people you talked you weren't picking up the clues.

Yes, he did.

Once their feud got stale, the writers brought in Carnage, and hey presto, Spidey and Venom fighting side by side.

Nope. Amazing Spidey #375- Spidey helped Venom out but it still took Ann to make Venom see reason. That's hardly a "drop".


You're not getting the point. They all sold very poorly. And in the case of the Venom series, it was cancelled. They're down as some of the worst stories spawned from the 90's.

Secondary characters can rarely get their own books and when they do, it's not ten years worth. Venom was able to do that because he is a special character.



Ah, so the cliche "He's just crazy" is the defence for the poor motivations against Spidey?

Brock was mentally ill and people with serious MI often have illogical targets. His delusions were fed by the symbiote. That's hardly cliche'.


The 90's animated series followed same suit as the movie. Spidey stopped Brock from ruining Conner's life by exposing him as The Lizard. Thus, humiliating him in front of Jameson.

Nope. TAS was closer to the comic. It established a history between the two. It wasn't a shallow cliche'. Check it out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3lJMM-zDKY



Brock just being crazy just doesn't cut it.

Maybe it doesn't for you but an elaborately psychological storyline does for me.


Every Venom fan who's stepped into this thread so far, save for you and Jick. They see the flaws of the character's motivations. Unlike you, you claim it to be compelling literature.

Fair enough, that's your opinion. But, no offence, you certainly haven't backed up that opinion very well.

I have yet to hear a decent argument on why Sam & Blowpher's Venom was compelling. It was a shabby, illogical story with horrid acting. The training montage in the link I gave you speaks volumes about Brock's spiral into madness. But that scene couldn't be there with the moronic "mirror image" angle and a B-movie actor from a silly sit-com.




Well, if you read them, then you would have recalled Brock selling off the symbiote because he was dying of cancer.

Something you said you did not recall.

I think you have me confused with someone else. Brock sold the symbiote after seeing Passion the Christ. He did it to get money for charity. After it bonded with Fortunato, Brock slit his wrists when the symbiote caused more death.



But, Joker's ultimate goal is not mass murder

Do I have to list a string of stories for you where he had an actual goal that was not just killing people?

Suffering not his only goal but it's his main goal. My best friend from college is a Joker nut. I probably haven't read as much as you have but I have read more Joker stories over the last 15 years than I can possibly count.

 

[The Joker]

I guess the people you talked you weren't picking up the clues.

Maybe there was no clues to pick up. And, some people were just seeing what they wanted to see.

Nope. Amazing Spidey #375- Spidey helped Venom out but it still took Ann to make Venom see reason. That's hardly a "drop".

Of course it is. A few words from the wife [who dumped him] convinced him to cool it with the man he claims ruined everything in his life, and swore bloody vengeance on?

Cliche to the max.

Secondary characters can rarely get their own books and when they do, it's not ten years worth. Venom was able to do that because he is a special character

I'd agree, if it wasn't 10 years worth of poor stories.

The only thing that makes him special is that he's probably the only character who's consistently proven he cannot work solo.

Brock was mentally ill and people with serious MI often have illogical targets. His delusions were fed by the symbiote. That's hardly cliche'.

Of course it's cliche. "He's crazy, so it doesn't have to make sense". You're trying to dress up the fact that he was a delusional crazy.

None of this, repeat, none of it negates the fact the whole base of his hatred for Spidey is based on NOTHING! Absolutely nothing.

Worst personal vendetta ever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3lJMM-zDKY

Yes.......what specifically am I supposed to be looking at here? All the conflicts he had with Spidey prior to becoming Venom? Like how he had conflicts with Peter in the movie? How they had a real connection in the cartoon and the movie, and Brock didn't dream it all up.

Maybe it doesn't for you but an elaborately psychological storyline does for me.

I'm glad Hollywood didn't see Brock's story that way

I have yet to hear a decent argument on why Sam & Blowpher's Venom was compelling.

You have heard it. Like any good feud between two characters, it was a vendetta based on genuine conflict.

Not delusional fantasy. As I mentioned before, it's why all the best comic book feuds are between characters who have an actual history/connection.

I think you have me confused with someone else. Brock sold the symbiote after seeing Passion the Christ. He did it to get money for charity. After it bonded with Fortunato, Brock slit his wrists when the symbiote caused more death.

Eddie sold the symbiote because he was dying of cancer. It was the prospect of death that finally made him get rid of it. So, he made a last ditch effort at redemption before dying.

Suffering not his only goal but it's his main goal. My best friend from college is a Joker nut. I probably haven't read as much as you have but I have read more Joker stories over the last 15 years than I can possibly count.

Ok, time for a few lessons on Joker.

A Death in the Family: Joker's scheme is to make enough cash to establish his resources by selling a missile to Iraq.
The Laughing Fish: Joker tries to cash in by patenting the fish in Gotham by making their faces look like his.
Batman #1: Joker targets the wealthy of Gotham for their fortunes.
Batman Dark Detective: Joker tries to force the people of Gotham to pay him not kill them by electing him as their Govenor.

Do I need to go on? Joker enjoys murder to be sure. And he enjoys chaos. But, it is not his ultimate goal.

I think you're simply trying to lump Joker into the same category as Carnage based on the fact that they're the biggest killers in Spidey and Batman's rogues gallery. Despite the fact that one only enjoys murder, while the other uses murder, and enjoys it, but it is a means to an end.

If there's one Batman villain who's like Carnage, it's Zsasz. Zsasz is psychotic serial killer who simply lives for the kill. All he does is slaughter people. Just like Carnage.

 

[Keymaker]

You don't see WB pitching ideas for Joker or Lex Luthor having their own movies.

A Joker film would be cool, though.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

A Joker film would be cool, though.

No it wouldn't.

 

[thejon93]

I just hope this doesn't turn into a mindless actioner when it can focus morally on the character of Eddie Brock Jr. a bit more apart from the symbiote and the character of Venom himself.

 

[Arcturus]

Also, in addition to my earlier post I want to say that I also liked how Venom was portrayed in the Spider-Man animated series of the 90's. I think that was a great incarnation of my favorite villain.

Regardless;

As for the supposed Venom movie. I will say this. Naturally, being a Venom fan I am excited. Hearing that they've been talking to 'A' list writers is a plus. However, my concern is Venom was destroyed at the end of SM-3. They used his main plot line, the destruction of Spider-Man. And he died trying to do so. As far a I'm concerned, Venom is a Spider-Man villain and should remain that! I can't see what they're going to do. Perhaps some secret agency wants to capture Venom and study the symbiote or something. Perhaps Venom will try to find salvation and fight Carnage. I can write a list of possible idea's, but at the end of the day, thats what they are, ideas.

I've been a fan of Venom for years. My joy of Venom is about his insane vengeance against Spider-Man/Peter Parker. I like the idea of alien symbiotes, being a fan of science fiction and horror, I view it as a perfect combination. I'm also a fan of Carnage, less then Venom but I like the character. The skittle symbiotes, Toxin (I don't mind this character, a bit underwhelming though) and every other symbiote are unnecessary IMO. I've explained why I like Venom in far greater detail in the past, but this post is starting to get too lengthy.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I am apprehensive about this film. I hope it's a successful film should it be produced. But right now, it's way too early to know anything for sure, so I'll wait until there is some more concrete information.

 

[Visionary]

Eddie Brock didn't die...those were the cab driver's bones.

*runs away*

 

[Arcturus]

^

Lmfao!

 

[thejon93]

Eddie Brock didn't die...those were the cab driver's bones.

*runs away*

That makes sense, LET`S MAKE A THREAD ON IT

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

I'm a huge Venom fan, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be in denial about this film if it's bad. Now, obviously because of films like Elektra, there defenitley will be concerns about a Venom spin-off film. Think of it this way though, each character in the Marvel Universe is different in alot of ways. Elektra was poorly handled and was quite boring, but that doesn't go for every spin-off film that will be made. I mean it's without a doubt possible, but then again, it might be fantastic. Wolverine might be a good and enjoyable film, but it might not. You see what I'm saying? All of these spin-off films have what it takes to be very good, but what you do with that is what can make a good or bad film. If it doesn't stay close to the source material or have aspects from the source material, then there's a good chance it will fail. Basically, this film has as good as a chance of being great as Wolverine and Magneto does.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Of course it is. A few words from the wife [who dumped him] convinced him to cool it with the man he claims ruined everything in his life, and swore bloody vengeance on?

Cliche to the max.

And the fact that Spiderman helped him was a poor reason for Brock to listen to Ann, in your estimation?



Yes.......what specifically am I supposed to be looking at here? All the conflicts he had with Spidey prior to becoming Venom? Like how he had conflicts with Peter in the movie? How they had a real connection in the cartoon and the movie, and Brock didn't dream it all up.

I'm glad Hollywood didn't see Brock's story that way


What TAS did, like it's comic book counterpart, is establish Eddie Brock's hatred of Spidey as one that had flourished over years. That gives us a real sense that Eddie is maniacal. TAS also showed Eddie bonded with the symbiote for some time, training and preparing for Spidey. That established him as not only legitimately insane but capable of using his powers.
What Raimi did with Blowpher Venom was give us the stupid fake photo angle and a few days later, Venom and Spidey are fighting. Not only was the long-time grudge element removed but so was the preparation. Weak.Weak.Weak.= just like Blowpher's biceps.


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In short, a Venom movie should be made for Venom fans. That means the real, classic Venom. Raimi gave us his lazy version. There is no way that transparent character can carry it's own movie.

 

[The Joker]

And the fact that Spiderman helped him was a poor reason for Brock to listen to Ann, in your estimation?

Let me put it to you this way: Brock hates Spider-Man and wants to kill him because he believes he is responsible for losing his job, his wife leaving him, and his father disowning him etc, right?

Why would Spidey helping him make him put a stay of execution on Spidey, when Spidey is doing good deeds every single day? Brock is not blind, is he?

He must hear of Spider-Man saving people's lives on a day to day basis, constantly bringing down criminals, super villains etc. Are these the actions of a bad man who ruins people's lives?

This is why I find it cliche.

What TAS did, like it's comic book counterpart, is establish Eddie Brock's hatred of Spidey as one that had flourished over years. That gives us a real sense that Eddie is maniacal. TAS also showed Eddie bonded with the symbiote for some time, training and preparing for Spidey. That established him as not only legitimately insane but capable of using his powers.
What Raimi did with Blowpher Venom was give us the stupid fake photo angle and a few days later, Venom and Spidey are fighting. Not only was the long-time grudge element removed but so was the preparation. Weak.Weak.Weak.= just like Blowpher's biceps.

Mate, I have already stated that the one flaw I find with SM-3's take on Venom was the lack of Brock screen time. He most definitely could have done with more development. I have never disputed that.

What we're talking about here is motivation for hating Spider-Man. And, in the TAS, Eddie and Spidey's paths crossed. Several times, in fact. Eddie was underhanded in his journalistic duties. Just like in the movie. Spidey crossed Brock, fouling up his Lizard story, and exposing his lies about the Rhino space shuttle incident.

You see what I'm talking about? The writers didn't base Brock's hatred on nothing. They made them have an actual connection. That's why it worked. That's why it was a believable and good feud.

Look at all the instances Brock is recalling to himself while he's pumping those weights. He's not conjuring them up out of thin air. It's genuine stuff.

As for your comments about Topher Grace's physical weakness, well, I can understand why you're upset over that. It's a dramatic departure from the physical appearance of Brock in the comic books. And, certainly not fair after the perfect physical casting of all the other villains in the Spidey movies.

Personally, I didn't mind it, as it reminded me of Ultimate Venom alot. Another version of the character who also was given an actual connection and history with Peter prior to becoming a villain.

I guess Raimi was trying to get the mirror image of evil Spider-Man across by casting a Brock of the same physical type as Peter.

 

[The Joker_1000]

There was nothing wrong with that either, as I feel it worked for the type of universe he created in his movies.

 

[Lantern Venom]

Let me put it to you this way: Brock hates Spider-Man and wants to kill him because he believes he is responsible for losing his job, his wife leaving him, and his father disowning him etc, right?

Why would Spidey helping him make him put a stay of execution on Spidey, when Spidey is doing good deeds every single day? Brock is not blind, is he?

He must hear of Spider-Man saving people's lives on a day to day basis, constantly bringing down criminals, super villains etc. Are these the actions of a bad man who ruins people's lives?

This is why I find it cliche.

Fixed delusions usually result in the person rationalizing about the object of their distaste. The person suffering the delusion often thinks they see someone ( in this case Spidey ) for "who they really are" and the rest of the world is oblivious to the person's ( the object of the delusion ) true nature. It doesn't matter that nothing actually happened between Brock & Parker. To Venom, his perception makes his view of Spidey as real as any other experience. It took the surprise of seeing Ann to make Brock see clearly, if only for a few seconds.


Mate, I have already stated that the one flaw I find with SM-3's take on Venom was the lack of Brock screen time. He most definitely could have done with more development. I have never disputed that.

At least we can agree on that. Brock was originally scripted into the first Spiderman. Just a couple of short scenes in the first two movies, ala Dr. Conners, could have established the Brock-Parker rivalry.

What we're talking about here is motivation for hating Spider-Man. And, in the TAS, Eddie and Spidey's paths crossed. Several times, in fact. Eddie was underhanded in his journalistic duties. Just like in the movie. Spidey crossed Brock, fouling up his Lizard story, and exposing his lies about the Rhino space shuttle incident.

You see what I'm talking about? The writers didn't base Brock's hatred on nothing. They made them have an actual connection. That's why it worked. That's why it was a believable and good feud.

Look at all the instances Brock is recalling to himself while he's pumping those weights. He's not conjuring them up out of thin air. It's genuine stuff.

Once again, it's real in Eddie's mind. In the Last Temptation of Eddie Brock, he mentally reviews why all the things that went wrong in his life are Spidey's fault. He even mentions his cancer and states something like, "I'm not sure how that's Parker's fault yet but I'm working on it." ( That line made me laugh so hard I couldn't breathe ). The first rule of treating mental illness is that you can't talk someone out of a delusion. Some times they are more reasonable than others and medication/therapy can help but if the delusion is fixed, it's fixed.

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Overall, I thought SM3, apart from Brock/Venom & Gwen Stacey's small role, was fine. It wasn't on par with 1 & 2 but it had it's moments. Admittedly, Venom's movie incarnation made me so angry because he had been my favorite character for almost 20 years. Needless to say, I had certain expectations that were not met. Had I viewed SM3 as I did Ghost Rider, with only a very basic knowledge of the mythos, it might not have meant as much to me. If ( that's a big IF ) a Venom solo movie happens, my expectations will be doubled because I feel Marvel owes a debt to the hardcore Venom fans. If Venom gets screwed over a 2nd time on the silver screen, I'm going to have to start eating brains.

 

[Hectorminator]

Venom doesn't deserve his own movie. What he deserves is to come back and kick Spider-Man's ass in his!

Seriously, Elektra sucked. Don't let this be Elektra.

I'm sick of Marvel saying that some B-list character (Venom was B-list as far as Spider-Man 3 goes, not the comics) will do cooler and better stuff in thier own movie. Why no Galactus? "Uh, we're saving him for a Silver Surfer movie..." Why wasn't Nick Fury the one asking for Reed Richards' help in FF2? "Uh, we're saving him for a Nick Fury movie..." STOP IT!!!!!! If you're gonna go half-assed with a character, don't even bother! I mean, I can't think of a better occasion to see Galactus than when he attacks Earth in a live-action movie!

You wanna make it up to the fans, Marvel? Bring back Venom in the next Spidey movies, have him kill Gwen Stacy, have him fight Carnage, have him join the Sinister Six, whatever!!! Just give him his time to shine as a villain in Spider-Man, not as a joke in "Venom."

 

[X-Rated]

That RED WRITING is killing my eyes. I feel like I'm reading the Bible on what Jesus thoughts about this issue with Venom.

WWJD

 

[shogunrua]

Venom doesn't deserve his own movie. What he deserves is to come back and kick Spider-Man's ass in his!

Seriously, Elektra sucked. Don't let this be Elektra.

I'm sick of Marvel saying that some B-list character (Venom was B-list as far as Spider-Man 3 goes, not the comics) will do cooler and better stuff in thier own movie. Why no Galactus? "Uh, we're saving him for a Silver Surfer movie..." Why wasn't Nick Fury the one asking for Reed Richards' help in FF2? "Uh, we're saving him for a Nick Fury movie..." STOP IT!!!!!! If you're gonna go half-assed with a character, don't even bother! I mean, I can't think of a better occasion to see Galactus than when he attacks Earth in a live-action movie!

You wanna make it up to the fans, Marvel? Bring back Venom in the next Spidey movies, have him kill Gwen Stacy, have him fight Carnage, have him join the Sinister Six, whatever!!! Just give him his time to shine as a villain in Spider-Man, not as a joke in "Venom."

I see your point man, but don't you think that maybe if the writer and the director can handle and do a great movie then B-list character or not, the movie will be enjoyable? Agreed Elektra was a crappy movie, but in my point of view not because Elektra was used in Daredevil or because she's an overall B/C list character, but because all the movie is just crap, I'm sure if she was handled the right way that movie could have been good.

Another example (some of you will surely disagree with me) with the ghost rider movie: for me he's a B-list character, but the movie was quite fun and enjoyable (but with his rating, there's a lot of the potential of the character that disappeared), much more than the first tim story "fantastic four" movie (who clearly are A-list characters) or less boring than "Hulk".

I agree with you, Venom really deserved his great shot against Spider-Man (I don't think anybody will disagree with teh fact that he is one of the most well known Spidey villain), he didn't have it.

That's why I think a Venom movie isn't such a bad idea, because he can be developped properly and with carnage as a villain and the proper rating (let's face it, the only villain who could work on a Venom movie is Carnage) there's great material to have at least an awesome action flick. And another point would be to have Carnage on the big screen without "corrupting" the Spider-Man movies, so the carnage fans would be happy as would be those who don't want Carnage in a Spidey movie.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

More news on Venom Spin-Off film. I really hope the Symbiote won't bond to a new host. Also, it's good to know the film will be worked on shortly.

http://bulletins.myspace.com/index....&MyToken=de34e395-6827-4edf-9cd5-21c03b01e70e

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

IESB broke the news last week that a Venom film is moving into production, spinning off from Spider-Man 3.

We took a little ribbing from an incredulous Devin over at CHUD who ran our scoop against his better judgment.

Fear not, Devin! We have top-secret sources close to the project but you needn't take our unsubstantiated word for it. I caught up with Remington Scott, a visual effects supervisor from the third Spider-Man film at last night's VES awards. When the topic of the Venom film came up, Scott's reply was, "Wait, you know about that?"

We certainly do.

Scott wouldn't go into any details on the project, only adding that he'd have to let us know whether or not his technical skills were going to be attached.

To Devin's credit, I think he had one of the best reviews of Spider-Man 3 to hit the net and I agree wholeheartedly with his defense of the film and views on the Topher Grace version of Venom. (Robert's against me 100% on this, by the way. He hates him some Spider-Man 3)

Suffice to say, though, the Venom film is definitely happening and happening soon. We've yet to get word on whether or not we're somehow going to get Eddie Brock back or if the Symbiote will end up merged with a new host (my money's on the latter) but as soon as the news breaks, look for it here at IESB.

 

[Cagefighterkip]

lets have some fan art here; some fan posters for the VENOM movie...

 

[Spiderine]

IESB broke the news last week that a Venom film is moving into production, spinning off from Spider-Man 3.

We took a little ribbing from an incredulous Devin over at CHUD who ran our scoop against his better judgment.

Fear not, Devin! We have top-secret sources close to the project but you needn't take our unsubstantiated word for it. I caught up with Remington Scott, a visual effects supervisor from the third Spider-Man film at last night's VES awards. When the topic of the Venom film came up, Scott's reply was, "Wait, you know about that?"

We certainly do.

Scott wouldn't go into any details on the project, only adding that he'd have to let us know whether or not his technical skills were going to be attached.

To Devin's credit, I think he had one of the best reviews of Spider-Man 3 to hit the net and I agree wholeheartedly with his defense of the film and views on the Topher Grace version of Venom. (Robert's against me 100% on this, by the way. He hates him some Spider-Man 3)

Suffice to say, though, the Venom film is definitely happening and happening soon. We've yet to get word on whether or not we're somehow going to get Eddie Brock back or if the Symbiote will end up merged with a new host (my money's on the latter) but as soon as the news breaks, look for it here at IESB.

Merged with someone else? Eddie Brock Sr perhaps.