Comics Wait a minute, im a lil confused...

[kguillou]

Okay, i just finished catching up on daredevil, and at the end of "the devil takes a ride" arc, matt murdock releases Kingpin from jail and kingpin is outta the country mourning his dead wife and potentially becoming a changed man. Now, when exactly is this whole "Back in Black" story happening? because in Amazing Spiderman, Kingpin's still in jail and nothing has changed. So either the continuity between daredevil and Spiderman is really messed up OR Daredevil's story happens at the end of "Back in Black" meaning that Spidey definitly doesn't kill kingpin? Could someone help me out?

 

[Joker]

Back In Black takes place before Daredevil, at least this part does...but, that doesnt mean in between issues the stuff from Daredevil cant happen, and Fisk cant get out, and then Peter cant kill him.

 

[kguillou]

But that still doesn't make sense, cuz if "back in Black" takes place before Daredevil then that means that we already have the resolution to "back in black" to some extent. Cuz in Daredevil Kingpin is just fine and he ends up moving outta the country with his U.S. citizenship revoked. Meaning that Spidey couldn't have killed him or crippled him or whatever.

 

[crivelliman]

Awesome. I'm sure the continuity will fit seamlessly in with Sins Past, the Other, and the first two issues of Back in Black.

 

[Joker]

here's a rough timeline...

1. Kingpin in prison, has aunt may shot.

2. Kingpin released from jail by Matt Murdock, leaves country.

3. Kingpin back in the country in current Runaways arc, no longer living here officially, but still running things from afar.

4. End of Back in Black, with Kingpin still in country.


it's not that hard, and it makes perfect sense.

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

you know i was wondering the same thing and trying to figure out in what order did these events take place.. but then i realized it and the answer is pretty simple.

it's marvel and the idiots that run the place.

are we really surprised they can't keep up with continuity? i mean you would think since it's a meaningful arc they would at least be on top of it right? especially if it's something currently going on. but no, i gave up on marvel ever getting continuity right. i wouldn't even be surprised if they mess up continuity in one issue. that's marvel for you.

 

[kguillou]

well i'm glad i'm not the only one. It doesn't make any sense. How can kingpin be outta the country in Daredevil and still in Jail in Spiderman? If Daredevil's story takes place after "back in black" then we already have the outcome of kingpin's fate. It cant take place before because Kingpin's in jail during "back in black", so...i'm confused marvel.

 

[Joker]

*sigh*...I just explained the continuity of it to you ******s, you just dont want to listen to it, even though it all makes perfect sense...look, one more time...

1. Kingpin is in jail.

2. Matt Murdock breaks out of jail and leaves the country.

3. Civil War breaks out, Spider-Man unmasks. Kingpin orders a hit on Spider-Man and his family. May is shot. Back in Black begins.

3. Matt Murdock returns to the country, Kingpin released from jail, sent out of the country.

4. Kingpin, even withouth being an American citizen, is still running all the crime in new york, and vists often (as seen in the last 2 issues of Runaways).

5. Whatever the conclusion of Back In Black is.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LISTEN, MORONS.

 

[3dman27]

i have one more question joker i always thought that fisk WAS an american citizen, how can he be deported from his OWN country?

 

[Guybrush]

In order to get released from prison he renounced his own citizenship.

 

[Joker]

yeah, that was all gone over in Daredevil.

 

[3dman27]

thanks

 

[kguillou]

Alrite my apologies The Joker, i didn't know Kingpin was also in the current runaways arc too. The continuity just didnt make sense to me. I guess the rest of "Back in Black" will take place after Daredevil's story. So how does Kingpin come back to the country with his citizenship revoked, does he sneak in somehow?

 

[JJJ's Ulcer]

He jumps the border? *shrug*

 

[Joker]

he gets a passport and comes in on buisness? you dont have to be a citizen to go somewhere, that's what "vacations" are

 

[YourBrokenAmp]

*sigh*...I just explained the continuity of it to you ******s, you just dont want to listen to it, even though it all makes perfect sense...look, one more time...

1. Kingpin is in jail.

2. Matt Murdock breaks out of jail and leaves the country.

3. Civil War breaks out, Spider-Man unmasks. Kingpin orders a hit on Spider-Man and his family. May is shot. Back in Black begins.

3. Matt Murdock returns to the country, Kingpin released from jail, sent out of the country.

4. Kingpin, even withouth being an American citizen, is still running all the crime in new york, and vists often (as seen in the last 2 issues of Runaways).

5. Whatever the conclusion of Back In Black is.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LISTEN, MORONS.

There's really no need to call names you know, but since you insist... I believe you are the one that's the ****** and MORON, so listen up.

In ASM#539, which is the issue right after May gets shot, there's an editor's note that says this story takes place before Darvedevil #93. If you recall, in Daredevil #93 is when Matt Murdock sets Kingpin free and his citizen is revoked. So according to Marvel what's currently going on in ASM takes place before Kingpin is set free, which of course makes no sense, but we're dealing with Marvel here keeping continuity, and we all now that never works. Although I do agree with your explanation that that's how the events SHOULD HAVE taken place since they obviously make more sense, I'm sorry to inform you that you're incorrect.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LISTEN...

I'm sure you'll come back with some explanation that ASM#539 happens, then Daredevil #93, and then ASM#540.. which I guess would make sense, but you can clearly tell that ASM#539 and #540 take place right after each other. Kingpin is still in his prison cell when Peter talks to him on the phone at the end of ASM#540. Unless of course Kingpin was freed then came back and put back in prison, which would be an explanation Marvel would give. I better stop and not give them any ideas.

 

[Shin-Natsume]

you know, i have NO idea what you are all talking about. but i have a question...

maybe im wrong, but wasnt it a while ago when the kingpin turned blind? like...
superpowers. open your eyes and see nothing?

 

[Joker]

There's really no need to call names you know, but since you insist... I believe you are the one that's the ****** and MORON, so listen up.

In ASM#539, which is the issue right after May gets shot, there's an editor's note that says this story takes place before Darvedevil #93. If you recall, in Daredevil #93 is when Matt Murdock sets Kingpin free and his citizen is revoked. So according to Marvel what's currently going on in ASM takes place before Kingpin is set free, which of course makes no sense, but we're dealing with Marvel here keeping continuity, and we all now that never works. Although I do agree with your explanation that that's how the events SHOULD HAVE taken place since they obviously make more sense, I'm sorry to inform you that you're incorrect.

IT ALL MAKES SENSE WHEN YOU LISTEN...

I'm sure you'll come back with some explanation that ASM#539 happens, then Daredevil #93, and then ASM#540.. which I guess would make sense, but you can clearly tell that ASM#539 and #540 take place right after each other. Kingpin is still in his prison cell when Peter talks to him on the phone at the end of ASM#540. Unless of course Kingpin was freed then came back and put back in prison, which would be an explanation Marvel would give. I better stop and not give them any ideas.

all that note meant is that those issues take place before he's let out, time can indeed pass in between issue you know


and kingpin being blind was settled a long time ago, he got experimental surgery in Europe and got his eyes fixed.

 

[Lt. Figgnuts]

Man, I didn't think it was that difficult to wrap my head around.

Whether you love it or you hate it, Civil War and Amazing Spider-Man both took place concurrently, which events of one issue occasionally flowing into another.

So why can't we accept that something like that is happening here?

 

[kguillou]

Listen, my initial point was, IF "Back in Black" does indeed take place before Daredevil #93, then we already know the fate of Kingpin. We know that he will be freed and move outta the country. Meaning that Spiderman doesnt kill kingpin. That was the problem I was having. Does anybody understand?

 

[Jack O Lantern]

But Daredevil may not be taking place after BBack in Black but during, meaning the Kingpin can always return to the country before the conclusing of the story.

 

[wolvie2020]

Listen, my initial point was, IF "Back in Black" does indeed take place before Daredevil #93, then we already know the fate of Kingpin. We know that he will be freed and move outta the country. Meaning that Spiderman doesnt kill kingpin. That was the problem I was having. Does anybody understand?

Lol, I get the point of what you're saying man

Why isn't anyone listening to he man's main point? He did start the thread after all...

While I'm fine about the whole continuity thing too, (to be honest, I really don't see the point of the fuss in it. I actually thought the continuity was done really well, before and after I read this thread.) But I do see kguillo's point.

One of the most serious aspects to this story is that Peter is dead set on killing the culprit, and if we're following continuity, Kingpin's not going to die, which takes out a heavy chunk of mystery as to the end of the story.

Although, we still have yet to reach the end, maybe there'll be an ending past the current issues of Runaways and the end of the DD/Kingpin story?

Alls I know is, the DD story rocked, and this story rocks. It's damn good that FINALLY Kingpin and Spidey are head to head again. Has everyone forgotten that the Kingpin was originally SPIDEY'S archnemesis!

He was even in the '67 series! for crying out loud! DD didn't get too involved with him till the 80's! lol

 

[kguillou]

Thank you thank you, Wolvie. Thats all i was trying to say. I'm sure all the continuity will work out in the end ( i hope) but i was just saying that since according to daredevil kingpin is gone to start a new life in some other country, that it would indicate that Peter does not kill him. But yea i loved the DD story and this Back in Black looks like its gonna be explosive, Kingpin has officially moved up on Spidey's enemy list to top 5.