Was Sandman even a big character in the comics or animated show?

[3dman27]

Sandman did not appear on the 90's animated show because at the time he was set to appear along side electro in the cameron flick.However when it fell through electro did make one appearance but still no sandman. The only major villain not to appear.

he was replaced by HYDRO MAN in thefantastic four90'S TAS frightful four appearance for the same reason

 

[batman7289]

we cant have a big time villian in sm3.. there are too many villains gg2,sandman, and venom at the end..

 

[SamuraiSon6]

agreed^ sandman will be visual eye candy for spidey to exchange beatings with until the plot comes full circle with the other villians

 

[HCpride]

we cant have a big time villian in sm3.. there are too many villains gg2,sandman, and venom at the end..

if only the green goblin was gonna be in it....

 

[ShinyBlackSuit]

From listening to the DVD commentaries in Spider-Man 2, Sam and Avi were very pleased with the performance of Alfred Molina and his turn as Doc Octopus, and credited that great performance due to the fact that the audience can see the actor's face while he acted and could make a connection with him. Most villians are masked, so I believe Raimi chose the Sandman and a strong actor like Church to play the role to duplicate the success of Molina in SP2.

Even though the Lizard has been already established in the film's lore, there really isn't a whole lot of communication going on between a man-Lizard and a webhead while they duke it out.

 

[Venom Drool]

im not sure but i think he might get killed by getting a bite from venom not sure though. sandman is awesome he looks awesome in cgi.

a bite from venom?

lol

 

[blitz]

From listening to the DVD commentaries in Spider-Man 2, Sam and Avi were very pleased with the performance of Alfred Molina and his turn as Doc Octopus, and credited that great performance due to the fact that the audience can see the actor's face while he acted and could make a connection with him. Most villians are masked, so I believe Raimi chose the Sandman and a strong actor like Church to play the role to duplicate the success of Molina in SP2.

Even though the Lizard has been already established in the film's lore, there really isn't a whole lot of communication going on between a man-Lizard and a webhead while they duke it out.

thats a good conclusion.

 

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

I hope they leave another cliffhanger at the end. Maybe showing the symbiote still lives (if venom is not defeated) or even better something to set up Lizard in the next one.

 

[BxB402]

From listening to the DVD commentaries in Spider-Man 2, Sam and Avi were very pleased with the performance of Alfred Molina and his turn as Doc Octopus, and credited that great performance due to the fact that the audience can see the actor's face while he acted and could make a connection with him. Most villians are masked, so I believe Raimi chose the Sandman and a strong actor like Church to play the role to duplicate the success of Molina in SP2.

Even though the Lizard has been already established in the film's lore, there really isn't a whole lot of communication going on between a man-Lizard and a webhead while they duke it out.

Most of the Spidey villains are not masked. i can name a bunch that if incorporated into a movie would not be masked. With obvious nod to Ock and Sandman, there are also Vulture, Scorpion, Rhino, Black Cat(not technical villain, but ya know) Kraven, Morbius..and prolly a few more i am forgetting. Some of those would require some fascial prosthetics but not enough to sacrifice any emotion facial movement as a value. I also agree, Molina was the perfect choice for Ock.

 

[newwaveboy87]

I think Sandman's one of the classic villians. I think it's his character that takes him down a notch or two in some people's eyes (including writers). Maybe it's because his back story is that he's more or less a thug that people seem to underestimate him.

He could easily have went the way of the Rhino who is also underused because people just don't consider them worthy. Not every villain should be an evil genius.

On a side note, I hope they don't use the storyline about Venom poisoning Sandman with his bite. I'd hate to see another Spidey film where the bad guy apparently dies.

i think Sandman was a really good choice for the franchise. i would've been happy if they put Sandman in just for pure eye candy and kept Venom for the villian-with-ties-to-hero story. why? because Spidey is a superhero and superheroes take down ALL villians, not just ones personally connected to them.

but, his involvement in Ben's death should prove interesting.

 

[BxB402]

i think Sandman was a really good choice for the franchise. i would've been happy if they put Sandman in just for pure eye candy and kept Venom for the villian-with-ties-to-hero story. why? because Spidey is a superhero and superheroes take down ALL villians, not just ones personally connected to them.

but, his involvement in Ben's death should prove interesting.

i agree, i am interested in seeing what hsi role will be in that. It's already known Sandman was involved in crime syndicates of soem sort or a gang in one way or another. I suspect the dude that "shot" ben is one of his lackeys. Maybe Sandman was just there and gave the death order and flew off as the guy fled to meet up with him later with the cash. Something along those lines. I Doubt sandman will be the one that physically killed ben. But i may be wrong. its hard to tell, easy to speculate.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

i think Sandman was a really good choice for the franchise. i would've been happy if they put Sandman in just for pure eye candy and kept Venom for the villian-with-ties-to-hero story. why? because Spidey is a superhero and superheroes take down ALL villians, not just ones personally connected to them.

but, his involvement in Ben's death should prove interesting.

same here.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Was Sandman even a big character in the comics or animated show?

No .

 

[3dman27]

As The Black Cat Felicia Hardy DOES Wear a mask

 

[Gigo]

this is s'posed to be a more "human" movie, about the darkness of self. Sandman is one of the more "human" villains. He has a house not a lair, and it's in a crappy part of town. He screws up, he fails, he makes mistakes that aren't tied to his only character flaw. He changes his mind. He is a dynamic character, he is a truely "marvel" villain.

Why wouldn't you want to use him? Because there are cooler villains? Venom is there for the cool factor, Sandman is there because he's perfect for the story.

Doc Ock isn't the coolest spidey vilain ever either IMO, but for a movie about how "we are what we make ourselves" can you think of a better villain? Maybe the lizard, but you could go so many ways with the lizard Sam may have something else planned that suits him better.

 

[November Rain]

what's wrong with taking a mediocre villain and flinging them into the limelight?

besides the movieverse is different to the comics as it has already been established, there's no reason why his effects in the films can't catapult him into the big league in the comics due to a raised public interest into Clint.

overall it's a decent business plan me thinks.

 

[Weapon M]

He wasn't even that big in the 60's. Mysterio and the Vulture were bigger and greater threats to Spidey than he was.

Sandman's only infamous moment is when he joined the Sinister Six. He's a C-list villain at best. He turned good for years and fought with the Avengers and Silver Sable.

I'm guessing Sam picked him for the visuals of his powers, and that he's a break from the scientist villains.

I agreed with you till you said that Sandman was a C list at best... He was a second rate villain a C rate villain would be Mastermind or somethnig like that.

Sandman is amongst the top tier of villains but he isnt a nemesis. He's one of the more popular villains in the Spiderman universe. There have been numerous times they have crossed paths. Since the 60's since the first Spiderman Comics.

 

[The Joker]

From listening to the DVD commentaries in Spider-Man 2, Sam and Avi were very pleased with the performance of Alfred Molina and his turn as Doc Octopus, and credited that great performance due to the fact that the audience can see the actor's face while he acted and could make a connection with him. Most villians are masked, so I believe Raimi chose the Sandman and a strong actor like Church to play the role to duplicate the success of Molina in SP2.

And they are so right. I am soooooooooooooooo glad Ock is not a masked villain. Molina's facial expressions when doing his villainous deeds were class. Definitely a huge plus towards his performance.

What was Dafoe's most effective/memorable scene in SM-1?? The mirror scene most people will say. Why?? Because we can see his face expressing and emoting. It's not hidden behind that ridiculous looking mask he had to wear.

Doc Ock isn't the coolest spidey vilain ever either IMO

Oh I beg to differ He and GG have had the biggest impact on Spidey's life more that ANY other villain. And they do with style.

His greatest arch enemies. Bar none. And that's a fact.

I agreed with you till you said that Sandman was a C list at best... He was a second rate villain a C rate villain would be Mastermind or somethnig like that.

Huh?? A C-list villain is a mastermind?? Rhino is a C list villain and he's as dumb as a post. Sandman is not the sharpest knife in the drawer either.

He's C-list because he's simply a thug with powers, with no aspirations greater than petty theft.

Sandman is amongst the top tier of villains but he isnt a nemesis. He's one of the more popular villains in the Spiderman universe. There have been numerous times they have crossed paths. Since the 60's since the first Spiderman Comics.

I never saw him as very popular. In fact I don't think I've ever seen anyone express love or excitement about any of his stories, save for the Sinister Six ones. I don't think thats because he was in them.

Nobody gave a damn when Marvel turned him good for years. Nobody missed his villainous antics.

Retire Ock, the Goblins, even Shocker or Rhino, and fans b1tch about it. People are still demanding the Hobgoblin return to regular continuity. He hasn't been seen in years.

 

[Khonshu]

this is s'posed to be a more "human" movie, about the darkness of self. Sandman is one of the more "human" villains. He has a house not a lair, and it's in a crappy part of town. He screws up, he fails, he makes mistakes that aren't tied to his only character flaw. He changes his mind. He is a dynamic character, he is a truely "marvel" villain.

Why wouldn't you want to use him? Because there are cooler villains? Venom is there for the cool factor, Sandman is there because he's perfect for the story.

Doc Ock isn't the coolest spidey vilain ever either IMO, but for a movie about how "we are what we make ourselves" can you think of a better villain? Maybe the lizard, but you could go so many ways with the lizard Sam may have something else planned that suits him better.

I also like the parallels between Sandy's powers and Venom's powers. Between the two of them, there's a whole lotta "morphin'" going on. Should be a cool comparison between the grit of Sandman and the liquid of Venom...

 

[Duende Verde]

Sandman did have an appearance in the animated series from the 1960's

http://www.scifilm.org/tv/spiderman/spiderman1-5-2.html

Sandman was also in the Spider-Man series from 1981 and "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends".

 

[i-n-z-a-n-e]

Interesting, didn't know he was in the 60's (only seen about 2 episodes lol) but he definitly was not in the 90's Spiderman TAS.

 

[Mike059jig]

He wasn't in the 90's TAS...they had some BS hydro man that look just like the sandman or something like that.....but I think this is a great choice for a villian..they probably might incorporate him as a construction worker that works for Harry obsborn and blames harry for turning into sandman I guess

 

[Spider-Fan83]

Sandman was in the Spider-Man series from 1981 and "Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends".

ya, I liked him in that spidey friends episode

 

[Gigo]

I know he wasn't in the 90's cartoon due to legal reasons or something. Cheers!!!

that "legal reason" would be Niel Gaiman's Sandman series. While the Marvel character pre-dates the DC/Vertigo one he never had his own book, nor was he ever refered to as one of the major forces behind making comics a legitimate medium, not just for kids.

Either DC beat them to the legal punch and TM'ed the Sandman name before Marvel could, or Marvel saw how well recieved the Sandman books were and decided not to mess with it at the height of it's popularity.

considering how well the series did you KNOW someone is sitting on the movie/tv rights for it. I'm betting in the credits for SM3 they will refer to THC's character as "The Sandman" and not "Sandman"

 

[Cyclops]

As a Lee/Ditko villain (And the third super-villain Spider-Man ever faced) I think Sandman deserves the cinematic recognition he's getting.

Then again, I think all of the major Lee/Ditko villains deserve some sort of recognition on film.