sandman and harry might now be secondary villains

[TacoLikeWAH]

I agree Venom will probably be a lot like Darth Vader was in Episode 3. Something that the story will be building up to but rather short lived. However expect Sony to promo the hell out of Venom, to pack the theaters. I also suspect that Venom will will live especialy if this is the last Spidey movie. New Line had talked about making a Venom movie years ago, but decided to go with Blade as their dark super hero. So I think if he can bring in the $$$ you may see a spin off.

i agreee.

but i think venom will have about half an hour because sony wnats to make money and everyone wnats to see venom and thats how theyll get it.

 

[riggs]

I don't think they'll have said "hey let's make Venom the main villain, Sandman the second vilain and Green Goblin the third". I like to think they've written a story that has these three villain essential to the plot. None of them are the main villains - they're all just part of the story and will play their roles as and when they're needed to progress the story.

 

[DACrowe]

Here is my feeling:

Venom: Main villain, albeit less screentime, it is a build up as he is evil Spider-Man/Peter Parker and the symbiote is helping him personify this and the symbiote will get more screen time than any villain in this movie (as will MJ I bet)

Sandman: Main brawler. He'll have three fights with Spider-Man and more screentime than the other villains.

Harry Osborn/Green Goblin II (or whatever he'll call himself): Emotional threat. He'll probably only have one clear out-and-out fight with Parker as seen in the trailer, from there they'll both barely escape the scrape but Harry can publically deride Peter and get under his skin (hit on MJ, psychological warfare) and Peter can't stop it. Symbiote Peter will finally take the fight to Harry, who despite a ninja sword will get bombed to submission. He'll then face his demons and make a choice, hero or villain?


But expect the symbiote and MJ to have more screentime than any of them, but as for the one who will appear the most, my money is on Sandman but Venom at the end will be the main threat as my guess is Sandman will go outo f the fight first and Harry will die saving Pete from pearly teeth.

Just my estimation though.

 

[Mr. Vice]

Here is my feeling:

Venom: Main villain, albeit less screentime, it is a build up as he is evil Spider-Man/Peter Parker and the symbiote is helping him personify this and the symbiote will get more screen time than any villain in this movie (as will MJ I bet)

Sandman: Main brawler. He'll have three fights with Spider-Man and more screentime than the other villains.

Harry Osborn/Green Goblin II (or whatever he'll call himself): Emotional threat. He'll probably only have one clear out-and-out fight with Parker as seen in the trailer, from there they'll both barely escape the scrape but Harry can publically deride Peter and get under his skin (hit on MJ, psychological warfare) and Peter can't stop it. Symbiote Peter will finally take the fight to Harry, who despite a ninja sword will get bombed to submission. He'll then face his demons and make a choice, hero or villain?


But expect the symbiote and MJ to have more screentime than any of them, but as for the one who will appear the most, my money is on Sandman but Venom at the end will be the main threat as my guess is Sandman will go outo f the fight first and Harry will die saving Pete from pearly teeth.

Just my estimation though.

I'm sure the movie will play out just like this.

 

[DACrowe]

And I agree with riggs when he says they'll play their roles in the story centered around Peter Parker's struggles, this time holding a relationship and finding his dark side within (last time it was balance and the first was an origin). And the villain will only be important and show up when the story calls for it. Like Doc Ock was iportant to the story of Peter as showing what happens when the geek goes wrong (as he is afraid he'll do) and right (at the beginning) but his screentime was just related to what was needed. Many fans were surprised he didn't get a lot of screentime a la Batman villains, but it worked though.

 

[shigsy2003]

Yep as far as confrontations go Sandy will win out with Harry in second. We will also get the Peter bad/MJ/Gwen triangle to take up a bit of screen time. Then we have Brock's destruction and hatred building of Spidey/Pete. Spidey's new found desire to want to kill rather than subdue and the strain on his and MJ's relationship. The almost definite firing of Brock by JJJ. Then comes the deaths and the birth of Venom. Sandy dying hopefully by bad Spidey, Harry maybe being killed by bad Spidey (if he doesn't help against Venom of course which I hope he doesn't as I would prefer a one on one fight), then Spidey having killed Harry wants to be rid of the suit and so he does at the same time Brock is in the Church (we assume then Spidey has a little problem somewhere in the movie with a loud sound) and so Venom's birth. Venom then goes on a revenge/killing spree. Tortures or maybe kills JJJ before Spidey saves him (maybe) then the kidnapping of MJ and maybe the death of her. Spidey and his fight, Spidey thinks hmmmm is is a tad stronger than me so I need to seperate him from the symbiote, loud noise and so obliges. Leaving Brock alive and taken into custody and the 'escape' of the symbiote.

Obviously the film could be the antithisis of this but this is how I would play it out. I have a funny feeling though Harry will die a hero

 

[Spade]

Obviously the film could be the antithisis of this but this is how I would play it out. I have a funny feeling though Harry will die a hero

Anticlimatic events that irritate the fanbase to no end seems to be a penchant portion of superhero films today in general. I don't think anyone is doubting if he dies at this point, just the 'how'. Stupid after-plot of cloning Peter's parents aside I think Harry's death in the comics was very poignant. When he does die, I just hope it's in a fashion befitting of the comic.

I notice that a lot of people are just assiduously putting Sandman in a "main villian" role that has no depth outside of fighting when the preview images of him with the child at his side say otherwise...

 

[batman7289]

Actually...

Sandman: Main Villain.

Harry/Goblin: Secondary Villain.

Venom: Third Wheel.

Raimi knows classics come first over popularity, and I salute him.

i salute raimi

 

[Grobb]

Eddie Brock will be in the center, Venom will do a short apperance, and I think that is enough so they will have more time to develop the whole symbiote-story for Peter...

 

[ISHMAEL]

im goin with 20-25 minutes.

and HE MUST LIVE.

HE MUST LIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[croaker]

Raimi obviously wants to make the 'Osborn Legacy' and Sandman an important part. Will that stop moviegoers from blocking out everything until Venom appears? Nope. But- jokes aside- does that mean that Venom should be in the film for more than 15 minutes? No. I trust Raimi and his ability to turn the time we see Venom into a magical experience. And no matter how much of a Venom fan I am I do not want to see this movie butchered by favoritism to any one of the three by the screenplay itself. Each one is promised to bring what they were in the comics to the big screen, and with Raimi I know that will be achieved.

Well said.

 

[superkong 500]

I think that raimi will let eddie on a cell and the symbiote loose,so when he ends his part on the franchise, the ending leaves an open possibility to develop more venom after he leaves the franchise. Anyway I think this what's going to happen.

Its gonna be more complicated than many think in terms of who will be the main villain.Sandman will be the main villain both physically in fights,and psychologically,Iam sure he'll have a profound story something related with his daughter,so he will have the most screentime villain wise,Harry will be there I think even before sandman appears in the movie. He will be like peter's stone in the shoe, all the time complicating peter's already complicated life, at the same time eddie will be I think in almost all of the movie, they will develop his story as a subplot at the beginning, then as the story develops more and he has interaction with peter, his character will evolve and interweave with the main plot,eddie will not be a vilain but a victim of the circumstances, just as harry was and still is, thesymbiote will be the bane(pun intended) of peter's life. Because will it take a toll on his life but it will create his worst nightmare in the form of venom.
Venom will be in the movie I think like for 8 to 10 minutes ,and if you think about it that's not little time specially if raimi knows how to use the time he's onscreen. Sandman will be in the final battle so will harry, so basically the main badguy at the end will be the symbiote only that at the end he will be using eddie,so from a technical POV venom will be the main villain in all the movie.

 

[Visionary]

I just really want to see this movie, I really want to see all the villains and the stories that surround thems. My peepers need to see it now.

 

[Brian-Punisher]

I wish they had just done Venom. I don't like all this "who is the main villain?"

I love Sandman. But you I'm gonna be really upset if we don't see much of Venom because of him. I'm getting the feeling that Brock will become Venom near the end, then he'll fight Spidey once, and then it's over. And then Raimi says "okay okay I did Venom. Happy now?"

 

[Visionary]

Actually, it's Venom who shouldn't be in SM3, but I'm content about seeing him very much.

 

[Warhammer]

Harry better not be a secondary villain.

In terms of storytelling and things that lead up to this movie: Harry>Venom.

 

[DACrowe]

Harry is a much more complex and richer character in the comics. Something tlels me with 3 films behind him and Brock with only one it will be similar in the movie, howwever I don't expect Harry to be the main villain (nor does anyone). It is sad, I think as the story has re-developed since Venom was thrust upon Raimi if any character could be nixed it would/should be Sandman.

If you think about it everything plot wise they're doing with Sandman (sans daughter but who wants to see Sandman rip off Lizard anyway?) can be done with Harry. YOu also don't fool with the origin which the first film nailed either though. And you could develop Venom and instead of the "villain team-up" it is just Venom at the end Spidey has to face but after a good scare for him and MJ he may seem unstoppable.

However they basically cut the second villain's part (note I didn't say secondary) which should have just been Harry into two. I think it is mostly because Sam loves Sandman. Well he'll be visually cool but I hope Harry isn't short changed. If he is merely "a stone in Peter's shoe" I'll be severely disappointed. Sure they only have a clear fight once (against one another) but I think Peter should barely survive. We're talking Harry spares him and from then on is playing psychological warfare building up that soon he will kill Peter, but in the meantime he'll hit on MJ and disgrace Parker and Spider-Man in the public (maybe he helps Brock do some of his other crap).

Then symbiote Spidey is like "**** the mind games Harry" goes to his house and beats the crap out of Harry who nearly defeated Parker earlier and all Harry could pull is a sword. By the end he is blown up in his own lair and taken to a hospital. There he makes a decision after MJ belittles him and escapes to dawn the Goblin gear one last time....

If they did Harry like that, I'd overall be happy, even if I think Sandman shouldn't have been in the equation though.

 

[Venomfan]

how is harry gonna get his powers anyway? in spiderman 2 they showed him with a vile right, but i just watched the first one again last night, and i had totally forgotten, but norman got his powers using that gas chamber, and the vile that he took was to like help catalyse or something

 

[DACrowe]

No the vile was not the catalyst. The catalyst was something else, the liquid turns into a gas when put into the machine. Perhaps....Harry just drinks it and in the end that kills him then?

 

[Arcturus]

Sandman is the main villain, especially with his "connection" to Peter. However, Rami said that all 3 villains will be worked into the script that everything works out or something. I don't remember the exact wording.

 

[shigsy2003]

Anticlimatic events that irritate the fanbase to no end seems to be a penchant portion of superhero films today in general. I don't think anyone is doubting if he dies at this point, just the 'how'. Stupid after-plot of cloning Peter's parents aside I think Harry's death in the comics was very poignant. When he does die, I just hope it's in a fashion befitting of the comic.

I notice that a lot of people are just assiduously putting Sandman in a "main villian" role that has no depth outside of fighting when the preview images of him with the child at his side say otherwise...

Well I think by saying he is the main villian we mean he will be the one to get into the most confrontations with Spidey and have the most story to tell with regards to his daughter and the Uncle Ben thing.

See Harry dying a hero while I would role my eyes and the complete lack of original I would also feel happy that he redeemed himself. I just still think Peter should kill him.

Brock will obviously need a lot of screen time as we need to see his detereoration that nicley leads to him asking God to kill Parker.

Is anyone sensing a little repetition that may occur in the film? I have a funny feeling that Harry and Parker will fight first with Spidey in normal costume and the again in symbiote costume. I think the same will happen against Sandman. But then again it will show us visually how the costume has affected him.

Hang on a minute: this may sound like a stupid and obvious answer question BUT we see Brock in the official trailer look up and say "Parker" telling us that he now knows Peter is Spidey having seen him rip of the black suit. So the seen after that is him walking in the church right? Asking God to kill him because Spidey has helped to ruin him?

 

[Eros]

No the vile was not the catalyst. The catalyst was something else, the liquid turns into a gas when put into the machine. Perhaps....Harry just drinks it and in the end that kills him then?

Dude Harry already has his powers in the movie, thus he has already "Drank" from the vile and didn't die.

 

[Venomfan]

Dude Harry already has his powers in the movie, thus he has already "Drank" from the vile and didn't die.

but that doesnt make sense, cuz norman didnt get his powers from a vial, he got his from the gas chamber

 

[The Joker]

but that doesnt make sense, cuz norman didnt get his powers from a vial, he got his from the gas chamber

If you watch the scene again, you'll see it's the vial injected into the chamber in gas form.

Obviously the chamber vaporizes the liquid.

 

[Iglius]

I think Sandman is supposed to be the main villain, but in everyone's mind, I'm sure, he will take the back seat to Venom.