Was the action that much better?

[AVP82]

I loved the psychic battle! It shows that action doesn't necessarily have to be physical, but the telekinesis sure adds to the intensity of the scene, along with Magneto pleading for Jean to stop.

 

[Darthphere]

I dont know if he was pleading it was more like STOP! Professor X blows up. "Oh man my friend died, anyway lets go Jean."

 

[AVP82]

I dont know if he was pleading it was more like STOP! Professor X blows up. "Oh man my friend died, anyway lets go Jean."

Magneto ain't a crybaby.

But the fact he yelled "No, Jean" and "Charles," unexpectedly (to me at least), it sent chills down my spine.

 

[JokerNick]

Magneto ain't a crybaby.

But the fact he yelled "No, Jean" and "Charles," unexpectedly (to me at least), it sent chills down my spine.

please don't tell me your name stands for Alien vs. Preditor

 

[Angry Sentinel]

I know it was stated somewhere around page 1 or 2, but it's worth repeating again. You all do realize you're comparing a movie that had a 200 mil dollar budget to movies that had 70 million dollar budget and 120 mil dollar budget.

Shouldn't you get more? And if so, were the scenes that much more seat gripping?

 

[zanos]

umm the cage fight was like a whole 3 sec long... and it was just a guy trying to beat up wolvie.. it wasnt what i would call "fast paced" action.. and it lacked in energy...

however, the whole grey house sequence did not.. you had storm kicking MAJOR ass and wolvie and storm as well getting the crap kicked out of them...

at the same time you have xavier and jean in an intense psychic battle... and magneto being thrown back into the kitchen... it was very intense and much more of an action scene then the "cage" match... the two are infact incompareable.

You're saying that is better than Jean versus Toad?

 

[AVP82]

please don't tell me your name stands for Alien vs. Preditor

They are my initials. I've never seen Alien vs Predator

 

[XCharlieX]

lol

Anyway about action i think people who like X3 saying bad things about the previous films just isnt right at all. I like x3 and i wouldnt dare diss the previous movies action. Superb. One must keep into acount each movie the action got bigger in sucession as well.

 

[sonicphoto]

yes, action was definatly up there in this one, golden gate bridge, the whole forst fight, the final battle, sheesh what else, teh danger room, even though it didnt last long, the concept was in there... it was alot more busy then X1 at the same length.... X2 had quality action though.... but X3 just takes the cake...

golden gate bridge is special effects not action. There is no battle there.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You're right. One scene was filmed in a gritty light with a great performance and perfectly encapsulated the characters, had suspense, and a good build up/pay off. One was a flashy brawl with characters I didn't care about.

are people really this dumb? the third movie is NOT a stand alone movie, and was NEVER suppose to be. I, from day one, have looked at it as a continuation of X2.. its what happens next and follows through with the two major plots spun and hinted at in X2.. PHOENIX AND WAR... the real plot of X3 was not Dark Phoenix, and not THE CURE.. it was WAR. The cure is was the last straw.. THE LAST STAND or (straw) so to speak. If you didnt care about any of the characters in X3 then you didnt care about them in the first 2... and as for the new characters, Angel, Beast, and Kitty... how the hell couldnt u care about them? they were all so loveable.. and in my opinion the best and most powerful additions to the X-men. Now the villains... like juggernaut... psylocke.. callisto.. quill... etc.. should we care about them? no.. there villains and not very drawn out. and not ment to be. I do agree psylocke shouldnt have been used if she was treated the way she was but thats besides the point.

what is juggernauts most defining features? hes unstopable, a big guy and power force, and super strong... those are the most important things, not that hes Xaviers half brother...

and quill? please like he even needed the screen time he got...

callisto.. was fine for me, as long as shes not dead. was came off to me as a leader... in if theres an X4 i truely believe X3 is before the morlocks are formed

but i cared for all the x-men, hell even magneto for his regret for xavier and regret for jean as well as him becoming human

i felt for jean and her torment between her 2 personalities and pain for the death she caused

i felt for mistique being shunned from magneto

I really dont see how someone could say they didnt care for the characters

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You're saying that is better than Jean versus Toad?

jean vs toad? lol more like jean levitates toad and then gets spit on.. that was it.

jean had more action lifting the guards and slamming them into a wall in X2...

 

[The Kid]

It's weird watching x2 again after x3. Xavier tells scott and logan at the end that "jean was hesitant about her powers feeling that in some way she was left behind." And now I think, "well you made it that way."
lol aww... it's a trip.

 

[skruloos]

are people really this dumb? the third movie is NOT a stand alone movie, and was NEVER suppose to be.

No. But within the confines of the story, you have to create scenes that still further your emotions with the character. Each individual scene must give us a protagonist we root for and an antagonist to root against (whether that be another character or situtaion). It has nothing to do with going off the previous films. It has to do with continuing characterizations. You don't just stop expanding on your characters. As your story grows so should your characters.

If you didnt care about any of the characters in X3 then you didnt care about them in the first 2...

But I did care about them. I cared about them from X1 until X3.

I really dont see how someone could say they didnt care for the characters

I didn't care for the characters. The movie didn't explore each main character enough. There was so much wasted potential with Rogue actually showing us her struggle with whether to take the cure or not. In the movie it was pretty cut and dry. There was definitely wasted potential with Angel. We could have explored more about Beast's personal conflict with the Cure. Jean was a zombie for most of the movie. Xavier was a defensive dick before biting the big one. It just didn't work for me. I know you can't see it but you don't have to. You're entitled to your opinion and I am to mine.

 

[bsquad]

I felt X3's fight scenes were lacking mainly because it felt like quantity over quality. More action yes but to me it was not very impressive. The only fight that I liked was Juggernaut vs Wolverine. Now that was a good fight, Juggernaut beating the holy crap out of Wolverine and Wolverine continuosly getting up only to get more punishment.

The last fight was such a let down because it felt so one sided. 6 X-Men vs Magneto's army. Surely someone on that side should have had powers that could stand up against the X-Men (I would say Jean but she didn't do anything until Magneto's army was defeated). Magneto and Pyro lit cars on fire and threw them. Boring. Pyro is limited only by his imagination with fire--it would have been great to see him think outside the box with his powers. Same with Magneto. I mean if the guy is now at the point of moving bridges, surely he can come up with something better than throwing cars.

The fights just did'nt have a feeling of urgency the other films had. It didn't have a do or die feeling to it. Nightcrawler attacking the white house and completely taking apart every secret service agent like they were nothing. That was awesome. Wolverine freaking out and slaughtering all of Stryker's men in the mansion, and Rogue looking at the dead bodies all over the floor afterwards. Awesome. Storm trying to create tornados to protect the X-Jet, Wolverine and Lady Deathstrike ripping each other to shreds, Wolverine going through hell trying to fight Sabretooth, only to have each wound he got from that fight open up when he tried to save Rogue--all awesome.

Dark Phoenix should have been a sight to behold but she wasn't impressive at all to me. If they wanted some body counts in this film that's the part where heroes and villains that we know and care about going down would have felt more emotional instead of tacked on. Instead she blew a bunch of stuff up then got stabbed. Wolverine having to actually fight her would have even been better (although I personally wish Cyclops would have been the one to take her down) in my opinion.

 

[bsquad]

jean vs toad? lol more like jean levitates toad and then gets spit on.. that was it.

jean had more action lifting the guards and slamming them into a wall in X2...

It's probably just me but I liked when he spit on her face, causing her to suffucate. Her freaking out, trying to get it off her face was pretty cool in my opinion. The X-Men were not prepared and the Brotherhood was. I liked that

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It's probably just me but I liked when he spit on her face, causing her to suffucate. Her freaking out, trying to get it off her face was pretty cool in my opinion. The X-Men were not prepared and the Brotherhood was. I liked that

o trust me i liked it to, i think thats where people get issues wrong. just because people liked things better in one movie, doesnt mean they didnt like them at all in another.

even though it was never said in X1, i thought it had a great vibe of that being there first encounter with the brotherhood... though they knew too much about magneto to not have went up against him before though, i think

 

[Angry Sentinel]

It's weird watching x2 again after x3. Xavier tells scott and logan at the end that "jean was hesitant about her powers feeling that in some way she was left behind." And now I think, "well you made it that way."
lol aww... it's a trip.

makes you wonder if the new writer's even bothered to study the scripts from the previous movies don't it.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

jean vs toad? lol more like jean levitates toad and then gets spit on.. that was it.

jean had more action lifting the guards and slamming them into a wall in X2...

I liked that part. Mmm mmm oh yeah. She had that "Don't piss me off" look.

 

[Kira]

makes you wonder if the new writer's even bothered to study the scripts from the previous movies don't it.

I'd like to quote myself: Continuity, thy name is not X3.

Originally Posted by skruloos
I didn't care for the characters. The movie didn't explore each main character enough. There was so much wasted potential with Rogue actually showing us her struggle with whether to take the cure or not. In the movie it was pretty cut and dry. There was definitely wasted potential with Angel. We could have explored more about Beast's personal conflict with the Cure. Jean was a zombie for most of the movie. Xavier was a defensive dick before biting the big one. It just didn't work for me. I know you can't see it but you don't have to. You're entitled to your opinion and I am to mine.

Agreed. I had *huge* problems with characters. I couldn't believe they were the same ones that I loved and cared about in the previous movies. Xavier was one of the biggest disappointments. He was suddenly like a bad villain. I mean, WTF!?

 

[covenant]

Budget only plays a smart part in how well an action scene is shot. Creativity and talent is what makes an action scene great. Some of the best action sequences ever put to film were all done during a time when movie budgets were extremely low compared to today. Singer has no talent for the genre because his vision of fantasy films is so narrow. All one has to do is look at how dull the SR trailers have been to realize this. I believe he got 200 million to make that one. What excuse will the Singer fanboys be using when they see there isn't any action in that film either?

Your right, but X-men are not straight up action scenes. If you dont have the money to put in cyclops laser eye, you may get a great fight scene for cheap but you did not get a great scene with cyclops. Cant pay to show mutant abilites you dont get an xmen movie.

Budget does matter for xmen movies. If fox had pumped in another 30 million on each of the previous movies we would have scene bigger scale action. For what money Singer had, I think he did a great job.

The action in x3 is flat. Its got no tension and tension is everything. Singer brought tension to all his scenes. Unfortunately FOX didnt give the production team the time to do that in x3 so its all eye candy.

 

[antariksh]

Your right, but X-men are not straight up action scenes. If you dont have the money to put in cyclops laser eye, you may get a great fight scene for cheap but you did not get a great scene with cyclops. Cant pay to show mutant abilites you dont get an xmen movie.

Budget does matter for xmen movies. If fox had pumped in another 30 million on each of the previous movies we would have scene bigger scale action. For what money Singer had, I think he did a great job.

The action in x3 is flat. Its got no tension and tension is everything. Singer brought tension to all his scenes. Unfortunately FOX didnt give the production team the time to do that in x3 so its all eye candy.

YOU ARE WRONG !!!


X1 had BAD SFX and ACTION, X2 had ONLY 2 good SFX scene which was the night crawler attack on white house (which was also a GREAT action scene) and the X-jet chase scene (which is GOOD action scene).

X3 had AWESOME SFX the whole time and had much much better action sequences than X1+X2.

 

[Optic Rage]

X3's action was really dissapinting and short..and had no style.

Dissapointing..like the rest of the movie.

NOTHING came close to the white house in x2.

 

[AVP82]

I'd like to quote myself: Continuity, thy name is not X3.



Agreed. I had *huge* problems with characters. I couldn't believe they were the same ones that I loved and cared about in the previous movies. Xavier was one of the biggest disappointments. He was suddenly like a bad villain. I mean, WTF!?

Xavier, the teacher/manipulator! I thought it was an interesting spin on Xavier's character. It was certainly an ethical dilemma for him: whether or not to control a mutant's mind/power/personality so she wouldn't destroy the world and without her knowledge of it. Would you try to tame Jean/Phoenix so she wouldn't have the potential for massive destruction, or let her be and take that risk? Since he chose the former, do you still think he's the "villian"?

It also demonstrates that good and evil are not necessarily direct polar opposities. We all have reasons for the ways we do things, and often we believe that it is for the good of everyone. Magneto doesn't believe what he's doing is "evil" or "bad" but acts accordingly to what he thinks would benefit mutantkind. Same thing with Xavier. He doesn't believe what he's doing is "evil" or "bad" with Jean but what would benefit everyone as well.

 

[X-Maniac]

It's weird watching x2 again after x3. Xavier tells scott and logan at the end that "jean was hesitant about her powers feeling that in some way she was left behind."

Yes, that line is odd.. Especially since Bryan Singer set up the idea of her powers being behind barriers Xavier had created.

But Xavier was teaching her to control her powers and develop them, she said so in X1. I think it's that line of dialogue that is out of sync, rather than X2 and X3 being out of sync. Jean was never hesitant, she simply couldn't access the power Xavier had locked away until the barriers started wearing down. And she then started evolving to the potential she had before the barriers were put there.

Are we to assume that Xavier was lying at that point, covering up what he had done?

 

[Nathan]

Yes, that line is odd.. Especially since Bryan Singer set up the idea of her powers being behind barriers Xavier had created.

Huh? I thought Brians idea was that Jean Evolves onto another Level and then gets corrupted by her powers. That's at least what I read everywhere else.