Days of Future Past How Much Was REALLY Retconned?

[Havok83]

- Sentinels: If the Sentinels were active during the past Movies why did we not see them? Surely they would have used them during that whole Alcatraz business in X3. Considering it took a few hours the government would have had enough time to deploy them or would have stationed some there anyway or would have used them to attack the mutant camp or Stryker, with his good relationship to Trask, would have used them on the raid of the Mansion in X2. The Sentinel in the Danger Room session is based of of Charles' memories from the 70s as a theoretical threat.

The sentinels were not active during the past movies. They were never actually put to use until after X3 and before DOFP as evidenced with this movie

 

[Lord]

Well, Stryker's death did trigger their activation for a while in X-Men: The Official Game

 

[Max Eisenhardt]

I personally think that there a three timelines - not two.

A. The original one with X1-X3
B. The DOFP altered (with no X3 events)
C. The viral site timeline (JFK-Assassination AND (!) 25 moments [which kindalike leads to 2023 events] where X3 happened a different way) - this one gives me most of the headache cause DOFP just touched the JFK-event but didnt explain anything else ... So logically there must have been another relevant time-travel (maybe by Apocalypse).

 

[marvelrobbins]

I personally think that there a three timelines - not two.

A. The original one with X1-X3
B. The DOFP altered (with no X3 events)
C. The viral site timeline (JFK-Assassination AND (!) 25 moments [which kindalike leads to 2023 events] where X3 happened a different way) - this one gives me most of the headache cause DOFP just touched the JFK-event but didnt explain anything else ... So logically there must have been another relevant time-travel (maybe by Apocalypse).

Your making things too complicated.

Viral sites should not be taken as gossepl inless directly referenced in films.

It's onetimeline with 6 films before DOFP and after time travel It goes laregly FC,1973 and new 2023 scenes of DOFP,and future films.

 

[X-Maniac]

The question asked in this thread is impossible to answer, given that the period between 1973 and the Altered Future is undocumented at present, and unseen by any viewers or fans.

 

[Max Eisenhardt]

Your making things too complicated.

Viral sites should not be taken as gossepl inless directly referenced in films.

It's onetimeline with 6 films before DOFP and after time travel It goes laregly FC,1973 and new 2023 scenes of DOFP,and future films.

I understand what you mean but DOFP referred to the JFK viral site, therefor I think the 25moments events also happened at some point.

 

[Havok83]

I understand what you mean but DOFP referred to the JFK viral site, therefor I think the 25moments events also happened at some point.

Or rather the website referred to DoFP

 

[marvelrobbins]

the 25moments site also mentiones the events of FC having taken place In 1961.
It also conflicts with timeline given to empire magazine of last stand in 2007.

Plus DOFP seems to suggest Sentinles were launched post last stand,and humans were involved In JFK assassination.

If viral stuff can go along with what Is said In films great but if they conflict with actual films always go with films.

 

[X-Maniac]

If viral stuff can go along with what Is said In films great but if they conflict with actual films always go with films.

Yes, the films come first.

Viral sites can fill in the gaps but if they come up with a wild contradiction, then ignore that.

 

[Max Eisenhardt]

Normally I would ignore them but cause DOFP "canonized" the first site the other one becomes relevant aswell.

In short here is my theory of what happened including both viral sites (hint: more than one timetravel):

Timeline A: just X1-X3 (no FC or DOFP events happened! Erik helped Charles build cerebro as told; (walking) Charles and Erik visit Jean as a child; ... and all the other continuity problems we later get wont bother us so for know)
Mutants are unknown to most people. There are no sentinels. Magneto wasnt involved in the JFK-assassination (thats why nobody seems to know him in X1 --> "what is a Magneto") This timeline wont lead to 2023-DOFP-events!

1st change of time. Unkown by whom - my guess: Apocalypse (if my theory is true, the next movie will tell us more about that) The time gets changed at 1963 or before (yes 1963, not 1973).

This leads to Timeline B: Cause of that Xavier is meeting Charles far earlier as in Timeline A. This triggers FC with all its continuity-problems. FC happens as seen on screen. Later on Magneto gets involved into the JFK-assassination and becomes jailed and stays there at least until 2013 as the first viral site (bent bullet) tells us. Cause of that and the cuba-events in FC, Trask starts developing the sentinel-program. Later on he gets killed by mystique and and all the problems happend old Xavier tells us in DOFP. This timeline doesnt lead to X1-X3 (definitely no X1 or X2 - cause Magneto in jail; different X3)! The 25-moments-site tells us, what happens instead (f.e. golden gate bridge event still happens but caused by Jean - this also fits to that what Bryan Singer told us about timetravel: you can change the past, but some certain things still will occure). This timeline leads to 2023-DOFP (note: Magneto managed to escape between 2013 and 2023 at some point - not relevant).

2nd change of time: Logan travels back in time.
This leads to Timeline C: DOFP events happen and the time gets changed again. Sentinel program stopped.
The story continues with X-Men Apocalypse until such time as the ending of DOFP in 2023. We dont know what happens in those years --> Future films will show us --> franchise is rebooted. X3 definitely retconned , X1 and X2 probably too (just for that timeline of course).

Note: I didnt think of where the wolverine movies fit into all of this yet, but there should be place in one of the timelines for them.

Edit: So my answer to the question which is topic of this thread: There was "retconned" pretty much everything or nothing - depending from which point of view you watch timetravel ;-)

 

[DaveMoral]

I think the best we can hope for, and this is far out, is a new timeline that moves the franchise closer to the comics. I want Cyclops, Jean, Angel and Iceman to be Xavier's new First Class, with Beast. So we get original X-Men/X-Factor at the beginning, and then do a kind of Giant-Size X-Men scenario but with Apocalypse instead of the island. Xavier brings in Wolverine and some other new mutants to rescue the first class alongside Cyclops. Angel is made Archangel, etc.

That's my ideal scenario.

 

[X-Maniac]

I think the best we can hope for, and this is far out, is a new timeline that moves the franchise closer to the comics. I want Cyclops, Jean, Angel and Iceman to be Xavier's new First Class, with Beast. So we get original X-Men/X-Factor at the beginning, and then do a kind of Giant-Size X-Men scenario but with Apocalypse instead of the island. Xavier brings in Wolverine and some other new mutants to rescue the first class alongside Cyclops. Angel is made Archangel, etc.

That's my ideal scenario.

That can't happen. Iceman and Angel weren't around in the 60s or 70s because they weren't even born yet. Angel was born in 1987, as he was aged 10 in 1997, which was '20 years ago' from X3 (which is set in 2007).

 

[Havok83]

I think the best we can hope for, and this is far out, is a new timeline that moves the franchise closer to the comics. I want Cyclops, Jean, Angel and Iceman to be Xavier's new First Class, with Beast. So we get original X-Men/X-Factor at the beginning, and then do a kind of Giant-Size X-Men scenario but with Apocalypse instead of the island. Xavier brings in Wolverine and some other new mutants to rescue the first class alongside Cyclops. Angel is made Archangel, etc.

That's my ideal scenario.

they cant do that unless they were to reboot the movies with a brand new continuity and what we do know is that they all exist within the same continuity as will the next one. I really wish they had let FC serve as a reboot but then they used DoFP to tie into the original trilogy. It worked effectively, but it still leaves them too restrictive with stuff they can do such as what you are proposing

 

[X-Maniac]

And the other thing is that Archangel is now going to seem like a copy of Falcon from CA: TWS, just like Juggernaut looks like the Iron Man Hulkbuster suit said to be in Avengers 2.

 

[DaveMoral]

That can't happen. Iceman and Angel weren't around in the 60s or 70s because they weren't even born yet. Angel was born in 1987, as he was aged 10 in 1997, which was '20 years ago' from X3 (which is set in 2007).

I doubt the First Class Xavier of Apocalypse will be in the 70s. 80s, most likely. I would argue they could shuffle birth dates at this point given what they've just done. Kind of rendered the entire previous timeline somewhat moot. The only thing tricky is Iceman, and I am sure they could manage a work around.

Just saying, ideal scenario. Probably unlikely, but it could be done. Singer set himself up to do just about anything he wants to at this point.

 

[X-Maniac]

I doubt the First Class Xavier of Apocalypse will be in the 70s. 80s, most likely. I would argue they could shuffle birth dates at this point given what they've just done. Kind of rendered the entire previous timeline somewhat moot. The only thing tricky is Iceman, and I am sure they could manage a work around.

Just saying, ideal scenario. Probably unlikely, but it could be done. Singer set himself up to do just about anything he wants to at this point.

Yes, but time can only work differently going on from 1973.

Apocalypse WILL be set in the 80s, yes. But even if ripples in the timeline meant Angel's parents had a mutant child more than a decade earlier than in X3, he still wouldn't be in his late teens in the late 80s.

 

[Havok83]

I doubt the First Class Xavier of Apocalypse will be in the 70s. 80s, most likely. I would argue they could shuffle birth dates at this point given what they've just done. Kind of rendered the entire previous timeline somewhat moot. The only thing tricky is Iceman, and I am sure they could manage a work around.

Just saying, ideal scenario. Probably unlikely, but it could be done. Singer set himself up to do just about anything he wants to at this point.

Bobby and Angel are both too young. As X-Maniac mentioned, Warren likely wont have been born when the next film takes place and if he has, he'd be at most a toddler. Bobby would be slightly younger. DoFP, altered the timeline, but that's not going to cause people to be born earlier. If we see Archangel as a horseman in Apocalypse, I doubt they will confirm that its Warren. He likely wont get much characterization and will appear as a soldier much like the Hellfire Club members were in FC outside of Emma

 

[X-Maniac]

If we see Archangel as a horseman in Apocalypse, I doubt they will confirm that its Warren. He likely wont get much characterization and will appear as a soldier much like the Hellfire Club members were in FC outside of Emma

Pretty much that. Or they will have Apocalypse take Angel from the Altered Future, probably with little explanation (rather than involving the future characters in investigating his disappearance).

 

[marvelrobbins]

I find it funny that many here complain about contunity errors and yet want filmmakers to do even more.

There Is no indication there will be will be any time travel In APocalypse.

 

[Golgo-13]

Beautiful.

 

[neemer5]

Keep in mind the whole "ripple thing." Beast said that we auto-correct things, so some major aspects of the timeline could still happen.

The biggest indicator is Jean. X3 almost certainly didn't happen, as Xavier is still alive. X1-2? Liberty Island is what unleashed Phoenix, which appears to have never happened, although retconned Jean seems more self-assured and Rogue still has her streak.

Also, it is very possible some of the younger mutants never even existed. So much was altered in the past, that new characters can be born, and others might never exist.

 

[Loki882]

I feel like the events of X1 could still conceivably have happened. X2 is more tricky given that last scene with Wolverine in the past and obviously the ending is out since Jean's still alive. X3 and Origins are definitely gone. I'd give Singer a lot of credit for his balls if he actually wrote HIS OWN (mostly well-received) films out of continuity as well.

 

[Primal Slayer]

X1 probably still happened, majority of X2 might have still happened, hell Jeans Phoenix side could hav.e still manifested but in a different way where she didn't go psycho and kill people

 

[Havok83]

X1 probably still happened, majority of X2 might have still happened, hell Jeans Phoenix side could hav.e still manifested but in a different way where she didn't go psycho and kill people

It would be cool if it manifested and she saved the planet

 

[Sun_Down]

Keep in mind the whole "ripple thing." Beast said that we auto-correct things, so some major aspects of the timeline could still happen.

So much this.

People saying that everything was wiped out are forgetting that line, as well as the fact that the final scene confirmed that the major players are the same. They altered history but they didn't wipe it all away.