So there you go: X2 was the peak of the X-Men series

[Kevin Roegele]

X1 was the promising beginning, X2 reached the pinnacle of action and characterisation, and X3 was about as good as a rushed and basic third installment can be.

X1 had the creativity but not the budget; X3 had the budget but not the creativity; X2 was when it all came together.

 

[MaleRogue]

Hmmm my fave is X1... and yeah X2 and X3 are very good to...
but that is my opinion

 

[Kevin Roegele]

Hmmm my fave is X1... and yeah X2 and X3 are very good to...
but that is my opinion

X1 is my favourite as well, but the series hit it's peak with the sequel.

 

[PeRfEcT_StOrM]

bah X3 was the best.lol

 

[Cyclops]

bah X3 was the best.lol

For me to poop on!

 

[BMM]

X1 was the promising beginning, X2 reached the pinnacle of action and characterisation, and X3 was about as good as a rushed and basic third installment can be.

X1 had the creativity but not the budget; X3 had the budget but not the creativity; X2 was when it all came together.

That's a good way of putting it.

 

[TKing]

I agree X2 was definitely the best in the series. But I still think X3 was marginally better than X1, only because it had more action and a bigger budget.

Although, not big enough to introduce the Sentinels with proper roles in the film...

 

[*xmenfan*]

X2 is still my fav!!. I really enjoyed X1. As for X3 meh. X3 was alright but was dissapointing and has to be the worst out of the three .

 

[The Ones]

X-2 and X-1 tie as my favourites. I love them both equally. X-3 was.....well lets think of it as a sequel to a movie no one ever saw.

 

[Mike059jig]

I love X1 and I think it still is the best one of the trilogy...X2 was great movie though...X3 doesn't exist!!!!...it was never made...

 

[Rac]

X1 was the promising beginning, X2 reached the pinnacle of action and characterisation, and X3 was about as good as a rushed and basic third installment can be.

X1 had the creativity but not the budget; X3 had the budget but not the creativity; X2 was when it all came together.

I agree with you compeletely.

 

[Obsidian]

I love X1 and I think it still is the best one of the trilogy...X2 was great movie though...X3 doesn't exist!!!!...it was never made...

So whenever someone asks you they want the collector's set of the entire X-men franchise, you direct him/her to buy this:

 

[Max J Power]

One of the only sequels to be better than the first.

 

[Goddessreicho]

X1 was the promising beginning, X2 reached the pinnacle of action and characterisation, and X3 was about as good as a rushed and basic third installment can be.

X1 had the creativity but not the budget; X3 had the budget but not the creativity; X2 was when it all came together.

Characterisation? Who got chracterized? X2 was basterdation of one of the greatestest stateside graphic novels and the Wolverine Orgins. Only one person got an explaination:Wolverine. Xavier got a little bit of backround and depth. And an potentially intreting character was scared of by the director and makeup process. The other cardboard cuts-out (Ororo, Scott, and Jean) were all being taken out for walks by Wolverine and Magneto, who was the only person that desereved my attention, and Mystique.

Poor Yuriko never stood a chance. Neither did Scott or Ororo for that matter. Rogue has an movie, arc, storyline, love intrest, and plot devoted to her, as did Jean.

I say in X4 bring back Scott and lets turn Ororo into a three dimensional character.

And as many hardcore comic reading fans (myself included) hated X3 *IF* there is an X4, it will have the same formula that X3 did. Halle and Hugh will still headline and the potential for depth and REAL characters is going down the toilet because it works. The general public loved X3. The only good thing about the success of it is: NO MORE SINGER, and if luck and God do exsist NO MORE RATNER!

 

[Mike059jig]

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[cookiva]

I think X1 is the best. We actually have Cyclops!

 

[BMM]

I think X1 is the best. We actually have Cyclops!

I watched it in its entirety the other night, and I forgot how many nice scenes there are between the actual X-Men (that goes for the deleted scenes as well). That is what I like to see.

 

[gap5ewl]

x1 was an ensemble peice which the whole enitre franchise should have been. x2 was the best though...except for rogue having a blonde streak and storm looking like pale and having blonde hair

 

[X-Maniac]

X1 was the promising beginning, X2 reached the pinnacle of action and characterisation, and X3 was about as good as a rushed and basic third installment can be.

X1 had the creativity but not the budget; X3 had the budget but not the creativity; X2 was when it all came together.

I do not agree. X3 did have creativity, it just upset many fans with its risk-taking, character-killing storyline.

X1 didn't follow any comicbook storyline (so no-one was offended by the story structure), but the X-world was very diluted and restrained. Singer was able to let loose a little more in X2 but the Weapon X and God Loves Man Kills stories were completely changed (fans weren't that offended because no key characters died, except Jean, who dies anyway in the comics and it was done with a foreshadowing of her coming back).

X3 tried to give us everything that Singer hadn't given us before (for reasons of his budget or creative decisions) so we got Angel, Beast, Juggernaut, Danger Room, a Sentinel, fastball special, flying Storm and the Blob-like Phat. As in X2, we got two parallel storylines (Gifted and Phoenix Saga) which were completely changed, but the difference is that key characters were killed off or cured. Singer showed a small world of a few characters sneaking around in the dark at Liberty Island or Alkali Lake, Ratner's X3 opened up the X-world considerably.

Whether or not you liked X3, there was creativity in it.

Singer is favoured more by many film-lovers because he lays down subtle hints and infrastructures, implying that something more is coming. So he doesn't offend people as much because he doesn't take the risks, he hints that the big moment and the risks are coming in the future. Which is what he did with SR. It's quite a deceptive technique - promising but never delivering. Singer would have needed another 30 X-movies before he would have got round to half the stuff we'd seen in X3. X3 does have a lot packed into it, but they did it to please the fans, not to piss them off. And remember it was Singer who moved Cyclops aside for most of X2, who showed Wolverine/Jean lust moments, who made Rogue a vulnerable teenager, who made Jean/Phoenix a non-cosmic earthly woman... he set up most of the movie mythology that carries forward into X3.

 

[ntcrawler]

I do not agree. X3 did have creativity, it just upset many fans with its risk-taking, character-killing storyline.
X1 didn't follow any comicbook storyline (so no-one was offended by the story structure), but the X-world was very diluted and restrained.

That's the idea. If we had flying saucers and giant robots stomping all over the place and chars wearing brightly colored spandex, that believability factor that allows us to RELATE to what's happening wouldn't be there.

Singer is favoured more by many film-lovers because he lays down subtle hints and infrastructures, implying that something more is coming.

Indeed. It's like strip-tease. You reveal more, by showing less. A little bit of subtlety and intelligence is a good thing.

So he doesn't offend people as much because he doesn't take the risks, he hints that the big moment and the risks are coming in the future. Which is what he did with SR. It's quite a deceptive technique - promising but never delivering.

Well duh, it's hard to deliver when you don't get to direct a movie now, is it?

Singer also intended to use Angel and Beast as far back as X1, but given what was a budget for a low-key comedy film, certain things had to be left out. He didn't exclude Beast or Angel because he didn't want to have them or couldn't think of how to use them. In addition, when comparing the two directors and their use of foreshadowing or story continuity for sequels, Singer at least gives us hope that there will be more. Ratner is all about THE END - NO MORE. Big difference.

Singer would have needed another 30 X-movies before he would have got round to half the stuff we'd seen in X3. X3 does have a lot packed into it, but they did it to please the fans, not to piss them off.

Somehow seeing Cyke killed in cold blood by Jean offsets the enjoyment factor I got from "Juggernaut, b****!". Also, if they intended to please fans by putting in a bunch of mutants that only had a cursory resemblence to actual chars and were never addressed by name, that doesn't please fans too good either. The only fans that seemed pleased were Wolverine fans if I'm not mistaken.

And remember it was Singer who moved Cyclops aside for most of X2, who showed Wolverine/Jean lust moments, who made Rogue a vulnerable teenager, who made Jean/Phoenix a non-cosmic earthly woman... he set up most of the movie mythology that carries forward into X3.

He also intended for a phoenix saga that's actually about the characters implied by the title: Jean, with a strong role opposite her by Cyclops. Not Wolverine, whose story arc was already complete as of the end of X2. That should have been the point for him to drive off and go back to Canada.

 

[ntcrawler]

For me to poop on!

ROTF! Just keep him away from Licorice!!!

 

[lordofthenerds]

X2 was definately the best of the three since it had the budget and was the best directed. The other two were both good but the first one was to short and a little to slow-going and the third was to short and rushed imo.

 

[XCharlieX]

X1 was the definition of a completely satisfying sleek film. X3 resembles x1 a lot imo, but leans less on characters.

To ignore x3 it would have to do something detestable in my eyes, and it just didnt. In fact it was quite an action spectacle for a climax, unfortunately the action break pace couldnt possibly surpass x1 and x2's beauty, but its close behind them imo.

Now if the acting was bad and the character story made no sense imo, i wouldve disowned x3. It was intact, just lesser cameratime for it.

 

[BMM]

I do not agree. X3 did have creativity, it just upset many fans with its risk-taking, character-killing storyline.

There is no risk-taking involved when, within less than the span of an hour, the movie undoes the risky ventures it set out to accomplish in the first place. The cure, the character deaths--all are undone by the end of the movie. Hardly anyone on these boards actually thinks Cyclops is dead or won't be brought back in future installments. That's the problem with The Last Stand. For all of its hype and supposed risk, it doesn't even have the balls/conviction to take itself seriously, and consequently undoes everything.

 

[Kevin Roegele]

After watching the DVD, I have to concede that XIII is a lot of fun to watch, but less dramatic than Singer's efforts. XIII is not a movie which lingers much in the mind after watching. It's successful in what it wants to be, but aims lower than X1 and X2.