WB & DC Meet For A Summit

[SatEL]

Yes this is proves again that a good sequel can do far more than the first movie.
After the real disasters of Fantastic Four and Silver Surfer and the reboot of Hulk, it is a good news for MOS.
Don't forget that Singer is still the same guy who did X2, one of the best sequels ever.

If I were the WB I would be careful in kicking Singer's ass, expecially because there is still the risk that Valkyrie will to be one of the best movies of 2009.

Lol Thats not happening, the film has been pushed back how many times. Its now set for a 2009, plus it has Tom Cruise in it you know the guy everyone loves to hate.

 

[hippie_hunter]

Tom Cruise is a damn good actor despite being a complete whackjob.

 

[SatEL]

Tom Cruise is a damn good actor despite being a complete whackjob.

I agree but all everyone see's now is the crazy couch jumping Tom, the man is a walking joke now and doesnt have the same appeal he used to have.

 

[hippie_hunter]

I agree but all everyone see's now is the crazy couch jumping Tom, the man is a walking joke now and doesnt have the same appeal he used to have.

True, sorta like the anti-Semitic Mel Gibson

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Lol Thats not happening, the film has been pushed back how many times. Its now set for a 2009, plus it has Tom Cruise in it you know the guy everyone loves to hate.

In percentages you would be right, but the risk that Valkyrie will be a success, expecially overseas, is still existent.
The fact that you did not enjoy SR doesn't mean tha Singer is an idiot. He is still a triple A director. A director that usually has a vision, even in SR.
If you didn't like it, it is another point.

I personally prefer when a director of a sh movie has a vision. If TDK is so good, it is because Nolan has his own vision of Batman. He didn't listen to the fans and he didn't copy any other sh movie.
The Marvel movies of this summer are good, but it seems that they were made with a standard formula: action+humor+final battle full of punches+finale nerd friendly.
They are very good but not excellent.

Donner, Burton, Singer (with the X-men movies) and Nolan did an excellent job.
IMO Singer is still able to do an excellent sequel.

Even because IMO the main rule is "don't listen to the fans".
I remember when the fans wrote "Why doens't Raimi direct Superman? He is the best". Now in the Spiderman forum they want Nolan for Spiderman 4.

It's simply insane. LOL

 

[Bulletproof]

In percentages you would be right, but the risk that Valkyrie will be a success, expecially overseas, is still existent.
The fact that you did not enjoy SR doesn't mean tha Singer is an idiot. He is still a triple A director. A director that usually has a vision, even in SR.
If you didn't like it, it is another point.

I personally prefer when a director of a sh movie has a vision. If TDK is so good, it is because Nolan has his own vision of Batman. He didn't listen to the fans and he didn't copy any other sh movie.
The Marvel movies of this summer are good, but it seems that they were made with a standard formula: action+humor+final battle full of punches+finale nerd friendly.
They are very good but not excellent.

Donner, Burton, Singer (with the X-men movies) and Nolan did an excellent job.
IMO Singer is still able to do an excellent sequel.

Even because IMO the main rule is "don't listen to the fans".
I remember when the fans wrote "Why doens't Raimi direct Superman? He is the best". Now in the Spiderman forum they want Nolan for Spiderman 4.

It's simply insane. LOL

Yet, Singer did copy the Donner Superman. What makes Nolan's portrayal of Batman SO GOOD is that he actually goes to the fricken comics and derives inspiration from THEM. Singer neglected to do this and made an average film though It was very pretty. Essentially, Superman deserves someone who will take the character seriously.

 

[merced]

Yet, Singer did copy the Donner Superman. What makes Nolan's portrayal of Batman SO GOOD is that he actually goes to the fricken comics and derives inspiration from THEM. Singer neglected to do this and made an average film though It was very pretty. Essentially, Superman deserves someone who will take the character seriously.

Yup. No original lines or scenes. Just copies. Not near as good. The rooftop scen from SR was so dark you couldn't hardly see Supes or Lois. The nightime scene from S:TM was dark but Lois and Supes were spotlighted. Bright, fresh, clear. Oh well, this has all been hashed out. Time to move on. Even though I could go on..

 

[stargazer]

Yup. No original lines or scenes. Just copies. Not near as good. The rooftop scen from SR was so dark you couldn't hardly see Supes or Lois. The nightime scene from S:TM was dark but Lois and Supes were spotlighted. Bright, fresh, clear. Oh well, this has all been hashed out. Time to move on. Even though I could go on..

There were plenty original lines and scenes in SR. And on the rooftop scene in the film..hmm, I was able to see everything really well, and I liked it (the whole scene).. maybe you need glasses?

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Yet, Singer did copy the Donner Superman. What makes Nolan's portrayal of Batman SO GOOD is that he actually goes to the fricken comics and derives inspiration from THEM. Singer neglected to do this and made an average film though It was very pretty. Essentially, Superman deserves someone who will take the character seriously.

No, the vision of Singer is "Superman us a god that can't live like a human. His body is invulnerable, but his heart isn't. His mother has another man, Lois has another guy, he is alone again. But at the end he is a father, he isn't alone anymore. His love generated a son."
This is a great vision, unfortunately this isn't the perfect vision for a Summer blockbuster, expecially for the same people that enjoy one of the worst tv series ever made: Smallville.
Nevertheless Singer can do perfectly a summer blockbuster. X2 proves it.

 

[Spade]

No, the vision of Singer is "Superman us a god that can't live like a human. His body is invulnerable, but his heart isn't. His mother has another man, Lois has another guy, he is alone again. But at the end he is a father, he isn't alone anymore. His love generated a son."
This is a great vision

First thing is that Martha Kent's boyfriend barely impacts Superman in the theatrical cut. Secondly, you've avoided the means to this end. Superman had unprotected sex with Lois and made off. Then he stalked her when he came back way after he knew she was seeing another guy. It's only after this creepy x-ray vision part that he comes to terms with her having left him. It sounds really nice when you spin it into a plain story, but Superman Returns had many uncomfortable ideas that string together the facts you're trying to simplify.

On a side note: I've never seen a Tom Cruise movie that made me think, "wow, this dude's an amazing actor." *shrug*

 

[Showtime]

I think a small part of the problem is that the original "vision" that Singer had, never made its way on screen, amongst other issues. We never really saw "A World That Has Moved On Without Him.".

 

[solidsnake86]

The best is when people talk about nolan going to the comics for batman. Guess what, batman has one definitive origin story thats generally agreed upon along with its much beloved follow up, (year one and the long halloween). Whats superman's origin in the comics, oh thats right there are at least three I can think of with another one on the way. As if looking at the superman comics will suddenly translate into a good movie when there are very few story's that have reached that of batman's character. I would go so far as to say that batman should not be compared to any hero just for the fact that he tends to be in the unique position of having, arguably, the greatest rogues gallery in comics, the most recognized villain in the joker, and storys that are just as iconic. Even with all that its hard to see what a sequel to TDK would be like considering they used his best villains in the first 2 movies.

 

[Spade]

I think a small part of the problem is that the original "vision" that Singer had, never made its way on screen, amongst other issues. We never really saw "A World That Has Moved On Without Him.".

While I think the "World Without" plot would have been better than the giant Donner tribute, it still would have left room for some Solid Snake style super-stalking.

Leaves me wondering what Singer's Supes will do in a sequel- peek around corners, or hide in a cardboard box?

 

[FlawlessVictory]

While I think the "World Without" plot would have been better than the giant Donner tribute, it still would have left room for some Solid Snake style super-stalking.

Leaves me wondering what Singer's Supes will do in a sequel- peek around corners, or hide in a cardboard box?

 

[wellsy]

Yes, it's the track playing during the trailer.

I don't know about killing the franchise- God knows Supes has endured everything from Great-Wall-o-China vision to Superman Blue- but it would be a good financial decision. If their projections weren't met with the last one, you can bet that they're not going to be met with a sequel. However, there doesn't seem to be a genuine love for this version yet. If they rebooted, it could please the male audience that was miffed by Superman Returns without pissing off diehard fans of the last since they're minute in number.

The bolded statement really surprised me. There are plenty of people who liked it - no matter how you look at it, $US391 million is still a lot of money, and a lot of people buying tickets. Not to mention it sold very well on DVD (topping sales charts upon release).

So I'll not stand by while you state that people who enjoyed this movie are "minute in number" - we're not, and the box office total (excluding Super_Kal, who saw it, what, 11 times, and wound up hating it ) and DVD sales implies that there are plenty of fans of Superman Returns.

Get your facts straight and a bit of perspective before you make sweeping statements like that.

 

[Spade]

The bolded statement probably surprised your because you went straight into defense mode without thinking this:

-You say that $400 mil's alot. What you don't mention is that the WB projected numbers easily in the $500 mil range.
-My comment about males is not my own. That's a quote from Alan Horn, about as far up the WB ladder as you can get. So is the aforementioned projection.
-It's a known fact that people will stream towards a big name superhero's film if it's not a complete disaster. Case in point: Spider-Man 3. People didn't like that at all, but it broke all sorts of records. Is that a reflection of quality or interest? No, that's brand loyalty.

But please, feel free to expouse on my ignorace and lack of POV or facts.

 

[mojo-x]

No, the vision of Singer is "Superman us a god that can't live like a human. His body is invulnerable, but his heart isn't. His mother has another man,
.

I see all kind of homosexual innuendos in SR but I never thought incest, however after giving Superman a bastard child, having him portrayed as a stalker and a deadbeat dad noting Singer does really shocks me. Maybe that’s what Singer meant by the sequel having more action. On the other hand Mar Kent is not his biological mother so I guess they could have an affair and it would not technically be incest, creepy as hell but that’s the way Singer likes his Superman.

 

[stargazer]

The bolded statement probably surprised your because you went straight into defense mode without thinking this:

-You say that $400 mil's alot. What you don't mention is that the WB projected numbers easily in the $500 mil range.
-My comment about males is not my own. That's a quote from Alan Horn, about as far up the WB ladder as you can get. So is the aforementioned projection.
-It's a known fact that people will stream towards a big name superhero's film if it's not a complete disaster. Case in point: Spider-Man 3. People didn't like that at all, but it broke all sorts of records. Is that a reflection of quality or interest? No, that's brand loyalty.

But please, feel free to expouse on my ignorace and lack of POV or facts.

So, what do you think about the good critical and fan reviews of SR; the film has a rating score of 77% at RT and a solid B at yahoo. That plus the good dvd sales and respectable BO means that most people who saw it liked it, no? SR did better than many other superhero movies like FF or Hulk. And it even made more at the BO than BB. Maybe a lot of young males weren´t crazy about the film, but I´m sure that lots of females and older people in general loved it, and you know what? their money counts too.

 

[GL1]

So, what do you think about the good critical and fan reviews of SR; the film has a rating score of 77% at RT and a solid B at yahoo. That plus the good dvd sales and respectable BO means that most people who saw it liked it, no? SR did better than many other superhero movies like FF or Hulk. And it even made more at the BO than BB. Maybe a lot of young males weren´t crazy about the film, but I´m sure that lots of females and older people in general loved it, and you know what? their money counts too.

No it doesn't.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Old_peoples_money_doesnt_count

But seriously. Can you imagine if any other superhero summer blockbuster had had pacing and plot like that? Do you think Marvel Studios would even be a thought on our minds if Iron Man had the entertainment value of Superman Returns?

And as much as I enjoyed SR for what it was... my desire for a sequel is... nonexistant.

 

[GreenKToo]

I have to admitt, I wouldnt mind if it were a reboot or a sequel. I guess that says alot.

 

[Showtime]

While I think the "World Without" plot would have been better than the giant Donner tribute, it still would have left room for some Solid Snake style super-stalking.

Leaves me wondering what Singer's Supes will do in a sequel- peek around corners, or hide in a cardboard box?

I really didn't even notice the so called "Stalkerman" that had some fans up in arms. Probably because I have seen it so much in many different incarnations of the character, where Clark or Superman uses his powers to gain the upper hand. You can find it in a lof of the comic arcs over the past 70 some odd years as well as shows like Lois and Clark, Superboy, and Smaville.

I think there were other issues that bothered me more.

 

[Freddy_Krueger]

I see all kind of homosexual innuendos in SR but I never thought incest, however after giving Superman a bastard child, having him portrayed as a stalker and a deadbeat dad noting Singer does really shocks me. Maybe that’s what Singer meant by the sequel having more action. On the other hand Mar Kent is not his biological mother so I guess they could have an affair and it would not technically be incest, creepy as hell but that’s the way Singer likes his Superman.

Eh? I hate to break it to you, but most children hate, at least initially, when their parents move on and find another husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, what have you. It has nothing to do with an Oedipal complex.

 

[Showtime]

I see all kind of homosexual innuendos in SR but I never thought incest, however after giving Superman a bastard child, having him portrayed as a stalker and a deadbeat dad noting Singer does really shocks me. Maybe that’s what Singer meant by the sequel having more action. On the other hand Mar Kent is not his biological mother so I guess they could have an affair and it would not technically be incest, creepy as hell but that’s the way Singer likes his Superman.

What the hell are you talking about?

 

[Mikelus]

And it even made more at the BO than BB.

BB made more domestically, check it.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime/domestic.htm


Showtime, is this the week WB will finally make an announcement?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The bolded statement really surprised me. There are plenty of people who liked it - no matter how you look at it, $US391 million is still a lot of money, and a lot of people buying tickets. Not to mention it sold very well on DVD (topping sales charts upon release).

So I'll not stand by while you state that people who enjoyed this movie are "minute in number" - we're not, and the box office total (excluding I SEE SPIDEY, who saw it, what, 11 times, and wound up hating it ) and DVD sales implies that there are plenty of fans of Superman Returns.

Get your facts straight and a bit of perspective before you make sweeping statements like that.

Thats a joke right? Because I only saw the film 1 time in a dollar theater. If it's not, you obviously have me mistaken for somebody else.