WB's 'Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them' original script by J.K. Rowling - Part 2

[Doctor Jones]

I guess the answer to "what is magic like in America 60 years before Harry Potter takes place?" is "I don't know, basically the same, I guess?".

I feel like Rowling and Yates should have been challenging each other and bringing out the best in one another to up their game, especially after you know, Harry ****ing Potter. But I guess the only thing they can do is since they're both at the point of such huge success, they trust each other too much.

The solution: Get a new director who can bring his own new twist and challenge Rowling. But this won't happen.

It was more racist and segregationist towards muggles than what we'd seen in the Harry Potter films.

That's fine, but I felt it could have been levelled out with more awe and wonder. Those Credence scenes had great, new and interesting ideas, it's just they felt out of place and so damn dreary and dull in contrast with the rest that was more fun and wasn't as new. It made it all seem weird.

 

[terry78]

Hell, I'd be interested in seeing what magic is like in America during present day Harry Potter.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Apparently much MORE of the same.

 

[terry78]

Still dressing like flappers and talking like Edward G. Robinson.

 

[Roose Bolton]

That's fine, but I felt it could have been levelled out with more awe and wonder. Those Credence scenes had great, new and interesting ideas, it's just they felt out of place and so damn dreary and dull in contrast with the rest that was more fun and wasn't as new. It made it all seem weird.

I think it was levelled out, in the sense that Rowling took that basic concept of muggle/magical segregation and used the story of Jacob/Queenie to add a lighter dimension to it.

 

[Marvolo]

Prohibition era 1920s New York probabaly wasnt exactly a bright wonderous upbeat place. Not on the outside. Not in the muggle world. Which is mostly what the film showed. The speakeasies were hopping and the film showed us a magical speakeasy.

1926 muggle new york city isnt Philosopher Stone Chris Columbus Hogwarts levels of magic and wonder. Nor should it have been.

And imo the entry to the MACUSA was every bit as magical and wonderful as the first time I saw Hogwarts and the Grand Hall in 2001.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I think it was levelled out, in the sense that Rowling took that basic concept of muggle/magical segregation and used the story of Jacob/Queenie to add a lighter dimension to it.

That's true.

Prohibition era 1920s New York probabaly wasnt exactly a bright wonderous upbeat place. Not on the outside. Not in the muggle world. Which is mostly what the film showed. The speakeasies were hopping and the film showed us a magical speakeasy.

1926 muggle new york city isnt Philosopher Stone Chris Columbus Hogwarts levels of magic and wonder. Nor should it have been.

And imo the entry to the MACUSA was every bit as magical and wonderful as the first time I saw Hogwarts and the Grand Hall in 2001.

My problem was the muggle and Magical world didn't have much distinction going for it. What you said would have been acceptable if the magical world popped more and has its own unique identity and really flourished in inspiration and creativity. But it really didn't. It was dreary and dull and looked generic. Everything blurs into each other. MACUSA just looked like a government house with some magical touches. It doesn't seem to go beyond that. The court room pretty much looked like the court room from OOTP. There was a huge poster of the President (like Fudge) and a huge clock that told the level of emergency... but that was it. It should be so much more than that. I guess I fault Yates for that more, as the director is responsible for interpreting vague details on the page and fleshing them out. Even Rowling can't describe things like she can in the books in a script. It felt of the same fabric from the Yates HP films. There was real missed opportunity to differentiate all that from the HP films.

I wasn't looking for the same exact thing that Columbus did with the first movie. That'd be bad if it was. But that doesn't mean Yates didn't fail to find a new way to introduce to us the wonder of this new world in a different way. Especially from Newt's perspective who's this fish out of water. Newt should be struck by just how different the U.S. and England's magical worlds functions down to even how they look, making him feeling even more like an outsider, a different perspective they could have utilized more but didn't. With Harry he was this wizard who didn't know he was being introduced to his world. Here it's an wizard being introduced to a whole different culture and Magical world. It's the next logical place to go after but instead feels blah.

This movie makes me appreciate that first movie even more. We kind of take that movie for granted now and forget just how important that was.

 

[Octoberist]

Question: Why does Newt take the boat over to America? Is it because he doesn't want to break any laws in a strict country like the US?

 

[Boy Scout]

Apparating across continents is incredibly dangerous.

 

[Octoberist]

Ah!

 

[Octoberist]

I'm assuming too, that if it was gone before, that the wizard has to be familiar with the other continent. IE he/she has been there before. Kinda like how X2 explained Nightcrawler's teleporting powers.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So I saw this today, and it is weird. I enjoyed it a lot, but also found it disappointing. Really liked the main cast, even Eddie, who I usually don't enjoy. I thought the creatures were fantastic. A true sight to behold. I also thought the first two acts worked really well overall. But the third act was a claw and Second Salem dull throughout. And thus the pacing was all wonky.

Basically what they got right, they got really right. What they got wrong, they got really wrong.

 

[InCali]

Gambon freaking attacking Harry was pretty jarring, though I did think he improved and was a lot better in Half-Blood Prince.

Why don't I remember that? I've seen every movie multiple times? Senility??

Do you mean at the end of GoF when Crouch was morphing and Dumbledore broke into Professor Moody's office?

 

[terry78]

Why don't I remember that? I've seen every movie multiple times? Senility??

Do you mean at the end of GoF when Crouch was morphing and Dumbledore broke into Professor Moody's office?

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I love how Radcliffe starts backing away like, "holy **** this old fart is about to run me down."

 

[LoganGambit87]

Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them Crosses 600 Million

Domestic: $183,507,403
+ Foreign: $424,400,000
= Worldwide: $607,907,403
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fantasticbeasts.htm

 

[Sleiek]

VFX Breakdown. Magical.

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[NotSoLongAgo]

the elf singer looks so fake

 

[DarthSkywalker]

A weird video considering the CGI was a bit weak in this film.

 

[InCali]

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I love how Radcliffe starts backing away like, "holy **** this old fart is about to run me down."

Oh yeah....now I remember. Thanks. Yeah, that was rather jarring.

 

[Guts]

A weird video considering the CGI was a bit weak in this film.

The only time I thought the CGI was weak was the scene in the speakeasy.

 

[InCali]

Fantastic Beasts And Where To Find Them Crosses 600 Million

Domestic: $183,507,403
+ Foreign: $424,400,000
= Worldwide: $607,907,403
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fantasticbeasts.htm

What do the final numbers look like?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The only time I thought the CGI was weak was the scene in the speakeasy.

I loved the creatures. I thought a lot of them were absolutely adorable. But this wasn't the new Apes series in terms of CGI. I am not even sure we got anything the quality of Buckbeak or Dobby.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What do the final numbers look like?

We won't know that for a while. It still has another month and another holiday.

 

[InCali]

We won't know that for a while. It still has another month and another holiday.

I'm not very good with the international numbers, but I'd think it has another maybe 40M DOM in the tank (from the end of last weekend)? Next Friday R1 opens, but FB will be trailing off anyway.

 

[LoganGambit87]

Worldwide: $680,010,903
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=fantasticbeasts.htm