We Cannot Defeat Our Enemies Like This!!

[Tangled Web]

I got myself this Che avi because I thought to myself "Jesus! This place has too many uptight right wingers!". I thought it would be fun to make them feel ill everytime they saw my avitar.

You don't have to be a right winger to dislkike a terrorist communist who is idolized by Americans.

 

[celldog]

So we should torture and kill all these people and resort to their tactics. The same tactics were there to fight against. Stop being a hypocrite.

Anybody being beheaded over here??????????????????? Anybody!!???? So what if they have to sit a cold room or listen to rap music!!!!!! That was my college dorm!!! Did you not read that friggin' gourmet menu!!!

Did you know that they get prayer rugs????????? Did you know that Muslims prayers are allowed over the loud speakers?????????? Did you know that their Korans that we bought with tax dollars, can only be given to them as long as our guards wear gloves?????????????? Where's the ACLU??? Isn't it wrong for a government facility to promote religion????????

Oooops...that's only for the Christian faith.


You are simply blind!!!!!!!!!! And if ONE of this nuts is released and comes here to wreak havock, it won't matter to him that you were on his side!!! He'll kill you too.

 

[JLBats]

The Bible clearly says that in this world we live in, there is a time for war! A time to put down your enemy!

And this same Jesus will one day return and put down His enemies...
The Rider on the White Horse
11 I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12 His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13 He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. "He will rule them with an iron scepter."[a] He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:
KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
17And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, "Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and mighty men, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, small and great."

19Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to make war against the rider on the horse and his army. 20 But the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 21The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their flesh.


Jesus never said to be a fool.

Jesus also said that those who live by the sword die by the sword. And he said to turn the other cheek, as a steadfast pacifist.

Pick a side. Jesus, or those who choose war and oppose Jesus, those you yourself say will be put down.

Sinner

 

[Carter]

the inquisition tortured people into confessinf alliances with the devil.
the Salem witch trials through threats and torture produced guilty veredicts.

besides, that situation where "the bomb is about to go off" is strictly for movies, never happens in real life.

believe you me.

That situation was hypothetical and was used in substitution for "information needed to save lives."

 

[Darthphere]

Anybody being beheaded over here??????????????????? Anybody!!???? So what if they have to sit a cold room or listen to rap music!!!!!! That was my college dorm!!! Did you not read that friggin' gourmet menu!!!

Did you know that they get prayer rugs????????? Did you know that Muslims prayers are allowed over the loud speakers?????????? Did you know that their Korans that we bought with tax dollars, can only be given to them as long as our guards wear gloves?????????????? Where's the ACLU??? Isn't it wrong for a government facility to promote religion????????

Oooops...that's only for the Christian faith.


You are simply blind!!!!!!!!!! And if ONE of this nuts is released and comes here to wreak havock, it won't matter to him that you were on his side!!! He'll kill you too.

This is so ridiculous. So you advocate the US using the same tactics that soldiers over there fight and die against. Youre a ****ing pyschotic. And to a lesser degree a ****ing hypocrite. Its not about me choosing their side, its about actually doing something for the cause. We treat them like garbage, we dont deserve to say were any better than them.

 

[celldog]

Jesus also said that those who live by the sword die by the sword. And he said to turn the other cheek, as a steadfast pacifist.

Pick a side. Jesus, or those who choose war and oppose Jesus, those you yourself say will be put down.

Sinner

Funny........never seen so many of you Jesus haters suddenly quoting Jesus when it's convenient for you.

 

[Abaddon]

I guess people don't believe in moral superiority anymore.

 

[Carter]

I'm no fan of the war itself, but war is not pretty.
We can't go over there with guns and bombs and then pretend we're being civil by being easy on detainees. That is more hypocritical.

Pretending a war is civilized

 

[Abaddon]

Funny........never seen so many of you Jesus haters suddenly quoting Jesus when it's convenient for you.

Yes,because being anything other than Christian makes a person a Jesus-hater.

 

[JLBats]

Funny........never seen so many of you Jesus haters suddenly quoting Jesus when it's convenient for you.

A Jesus SUPPORTER ignoring Biblical quotes that don't agree with his worldview and then dodging the inconsistency with a quick jab?

What a surprise.

 

[Darthphere]

I'm no fan of the war itself, but war is not pretty.
We can't go over there with guns and bombs and then pretend we're being civil by being easy on detainees. That is more hypocritical.

Pretending a war is civilized

So we should just kill the guys, yeah thats showing them! C'mon Carter, youre smarter than this.

 

[Darthphere]

A Jesus SUPPORTER ignoring Biblical quotes that don't agree with his worldview and then dodging the inconsistency with a quick jab?

What a surprise.

Its no use JL.

 

[Carter]

No, I didnt say that at all.
I'd say we are taking innocent people prisoner, which is admittedly wrong.

But the ones who are not innocent shouldn't have to be molly coddled.

 

[celldog]

This is so ridiculous. So you advocate the US using the same tactics that soldiers over there fight and die against. Youre a ****ing pyschotic. And to a lesser degree a ****ing hypocrite. Its not about me choosing their side, its about actually doing something for the cause. We treat them like garbage, we dont deserve to say were any better than them.

You keep side stepping everything I just wrote!! They are not being torured by any stretch compared to what they have done to innocent journalists, engineers, construction workers, missionaries, teachers, and relief workers...

None of them have received a tenth of what they've given to our people.

 

[JLBats]

You keep side stepping everything I just wrote!!

Dude, do you or do you not think that Jesus would support torture and warfare despite his many statements of pacifism?

 

[Darthphere]

You keep side stepping everything I just wrote!! They are not being torured by any stretch compared to what they have done to innocent journalists, engineers, construction workers, missionaries, teachers, and relief workers...

Noe of them have received a tenth of what they've given to our people.

*breathes*

If were not torturing them then the article is void since we cant stop something were not doing and youre making a big deal about nothing.

And again, if we resort to their tactics because they do bad things to our soldiers, were no better than them and hold no moral authority over them as much as Bush and you might think you do.

 

[Darthphere]

No, I didnt say that at all.
I'd say we are taking innocent people prisoner, which is admittedly wrong.

But the ones who are not innocent shouldn't have to be molly coddled.

Its done so we dont have the UN on their backs about mistreating prisoners. Its a poilitcal move, if it was up to Bush and co. they'd just take them out back and shoot them.

 

[celldog]

Yes,because being anything other than Christian makes a person a Jesus-hater.

But why quote someone you despise?????? You don't agree with everything else He says......
Who's the real hypocrite??

 

[JLBats]

But why quote someone you despise?????? You don't agree with everything else He says......
Who's the real hypocrite??

Er, I would assume to point out the hypocrisy of someone else. You believe in Jesus, yet you disobey his orders. Doesn't that make you the real hypocrite?

Beside, I don't despise Jesus or his teachings. On the contrary. I just happen to not believe he is the messiah.

 

[Abaddon]

ugh,I hate these political threads.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

But why quote someone you despise?????? You don't agree with everything else He says......
Who's the real hypocrite??

Show me the ****ing post where someone said that they hated Jesus.

Show me.

 

[Carter]

Its done so we dont have the UN on their backs about mistreating prisoners. Its a poilitcal move, if it was up to Bush and co. they'd just take them out back and shoot them.

Well I say **** the UN and **** Bush

 

[celldog]

Dude, do you or do you not think that Jesus would support torture and warfare despite his many statements of pacifism?

Didn't you read the post???????? Jesus does allow for war when needed!!! He coming back to make war against His enemies!!

Read these words of Jesus:

Matthew 23
Seven Woes
1Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2"The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3So you must obey them and do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. 4They tie up heavy loads and put them on men's shoulders, but they themselves are not willing to lift a finger to move them.
5"Everything they do is done for men to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'

8"But you are not to be called 'Rabbi,' for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. 9And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10Nor are you to be called 'teacher,' for you have one Teacher, the Christ. 11The greatest among you will be your servant. 12For whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

13"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.[c]

15"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.

16"Woe to you, blind guides! You say, 'If anyone swears by the temple, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gold of the temple, he is bound by his oath.' 17You blind fools! Which is greater: the gold, or the temple that makes the gold sacred? 18You also say, 'If anyone swears by the altar, it means nothing; but if anyone swears by the gift on it, he is bound by his oath.' 19You blind men! Which is greater: the gift, or the altar that makes the gift sacred? 20Therefore, he who swears by the altar swears by it and by everything on it. 21And he who swears by the temple swears by it and by the one who dwells in it. 22And he who swears by heaven swears by God's throne and by the one who sits on it.

23"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former. 24You blind guides! You strain out a gnat but swallow a camel.

25"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence. 26Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.

27"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean. 28In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.

29"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30And you say, 'If we had lived in the days of our forefathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' 31So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32Fill up, then, the measure of the sin of your forefathers!

33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.


You guys act like Jesus was just love, love, love...........like he never got angry with righteous indignation. Well you got the wrong Jesus. Don't cherry pick.

 

[Darthphere]

Celldog is the worst christian ever.

 

[celldog]

Er, I would assume to point out the hypocrisy of someone else. You believe in Jesus, yet you disobey his orders. Doesn't that make you the real hypocrite?

Beside, I don't despise Jesus or his teachings. On the contrary. I just happen to not believe he is the messiah.

How am I disobeying His orders??