World Web shooter shop class - Part 1

[Aracno_8000]

Hi, i'm new on this forum! I would like to tell to every single of you that i'm very amazed from your work, and very proud of you all! Sorry for my bad-english, i'm from Italy and yesterday i spent all my night in reading all your posts!
White_Widow, im your fan...please don't give up, you're going good!
MarvelFan, you got excellent ideas..keep on workin'!
Iron Spider, the web shooter design 1.0 impressioned me
i will be here to support you with any ideas on the web shooter...i admit i've got no experience with chemicals and so on, but i will follow you in your prototypes and maybe help you with some ideas...i hope to be helpful for you all! Best regards

 

[JMA610]

JMA is that you? It's been forever! I work at a store that sell aluminum bottles that can be turned into pressure vessels (because that is what they are for.) It's been a while. We've moved on from graphene and cyanoacrylate a long time ago. In fact, we're working with cellulose acetate again. charging will be with a bike pump. We can talk about it based on your desires.

as for nolder, I agree, but I don't know how that attachment works.

Yah, it's me. I apologize for my absence on the boards. But I have still been coming here every once in a while to check up on things. And its good to be back . And congrats on getting a job. I don't know if its the best job in the world, but hey, you're making money right? Also, I'll post this later, I had an idea for a no-pressure shooter.

 

[TheAmazingSpide]

hi, I'm new and i was wondering, is there any way to pressurize the fluid in the co2 cartridges, or do you just fill the cartridge with fluid, then pressurize with co2?

 

[HAVIK]

How do you uPload pictures on here

 

[White_widow]

To Aracno: Welcome to the forums. It's nice to meet you. Don't worry, none of us knew anything about this in the beginning either, and language barriers shouldn't be a problem. Also, thank you. Having a fan is kind of awesome.

to JMA: I missed you buddy. You were the best of the best in this forums in the past, and I'm sure you'll keep it up. The job is fantastic. I work with the most awesome people, and that in itself will make up for deficiencies. (To tell you the truth though, I had a job once, where I dressed up as spiderman, did some flips, and helped out at a kid's birthday party. I got 100 bucks for the gig and it only took an hour. It's actually why I got interested in the shooters. I wanted to be the best in the biz before I became a legit chemist.)

To Amazing: you put the fluid into the vessel, seal it up, and pressurize it. It might be better to use plain air though. The co2 tends to freeze, and using a bike pump would severely reduce the risk of explosion.

To Havik: Get a deviantart account. They allow you to collect all of your research into one convenient scrapbook deal.

This is mine: http://technolgytheorist.deviantart.com/

 

[HAVIK]

To Havik: Get a deviantart account. They allow you to collect all of your research into one convenient scrapbook deal.

This is mine: http://technolgytheorist.deviantart.com/

Thanks

 

[White_widow]

Hey guys, I think I'm going to take a step back for a while. I'm going to start to do my work on the website now. I'll still check the forums, but most of my insights will be on realwebtech. I'm even thinking about starting a short video series where I explain the web shooters in depth. Such questions as the circuits and the spinnerets will be answered there. It's just a thought, no promises. Anyway, have a good one, and remember, Excelsior.

 

[Tyseg1cia]

just going to say, have you ever thought of using actual air instead of co2?

 

[Iron_spider]

just going to say, have you ever thought of using actual air instead of co2?

Yes, we have. I think White_widow just said something about using air. And my tank design uses an air compressor. So yeah, some people are using air instead of co2.

 

[MarvelFan1]

Hi, i'm new on this forum! I would like to tell to every single of you that i'm very amazed from your work, and very proud of you all! Sorry for my bad-english, i'm from Italy and yesterday i spent all my night in reading all your posts!
White_Widow, im your fan...please don't give up, you're going good!
MarvelFan, you got excellent ideas..keep on workin'!
Iron Spider, the web shooter design 1.0 impressioned me
i will be here to support you with any ideas on the web shooter...i admit i've got no experience with chemicals and so on, but i will follow you in your prototypes and maybe help you with some ideas...i hope to be helpful for you all! Best regards

hello, and welcome to the forums! and thanks, feel free to post whatever ideas you have for the shooters on this forum. what type of style of web shooters have you choosens,if you have choosen?

 

[MarvelFan1]

hi, I'm new and i was wondering, is there any way to pressurize the fluid in the co2 cartridges, or do you just fill the cartridge with fluid, then pressurize with co2?

hey welcome to the forums, and im gonna agree with white widow. it might be best if you use a bike pump instead of co2.

 

[nolder]

hey welcome to the forums, and im gonna agree with white widow. it might be best if you use a bike pump instead of co2.

what is wrong with co2 cartridges? they give great psi.

also, I know how spiders use spinnerets in their webmaking, but what will it do for our webshooters?

 

[White_widow]

Ok. So I just found a video camera. I think I'm going to do a couple video entries starting in a week that have to pertain to the web shooters. I might try to do a video a week give or take circumstances.

Does anyone want an in depth analysis of anything? I'm going to try to stop coming onto the forums as much. The only time I'll come on here is to check for questions. If you have a question, send it to my PM box, and I'll try to add it to the videos. I'll only answer the ones in the private messages.

 

[TheAmazingSpide]

hey welcome to the forums, and im gonna agree with white widow. it might be best if you use a bike pump instead of co2.

thanks for the info

 

[JMA610]

To Aracno: Welcome to the forums. It's nice to meet you. Don't worry, none of us knew anything about this in the beginning either, and language barriers shouldn't be a problem. Also, thank you. Having a fan is kind of awesome.

to JMA: I missed you buddy. You were the best of the best in this forums in the past, and I'm sure you'll keep it up. The job is fantastic. I work with the most awesome people, and that in itself will make up for deficiencies. (To tell you the truth though, I had a job once, where I dressed up as spiderman, did some flips, and helped out at a kid's birthday party. I got 100 bucks for the gig and it only took an hour. It's actually why I got interested in the shooters. I wanted to be the best in the biz before I became a legit chemist.)

To Amazing: you put the fluid into the vessel, seal it up, and pressurize it. It might be better to use plain air though. The co2 tends to freeze, and using a bike pump would severely reduce the risk of explosion.

To Havik: Get a deviantart account. They allow you to collect all of your research into one convenient scrapbook deal.

This is mine: http://technolgytheorist.deviantart.com/

Lol, the Spidey thing doesnt sound half bad. And I don't intend to stop. I've sort of got a rhythm going with this stuff. It almost comes as common knowledge now, but thats mainly thanks to you and the other major contributors (by now there are alot). Do you think in your video you could post the pressure vessel you are using? Thats the only part I really need now. I'll try to post a design spec later.

 

[JMA610]

Also check this out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6azvs2rzHo&list=UU54Jgium4_bGB8agDYwWdeQ&index=7&feature=plcp

We can easily make a solenoid valve the trigger. WW, isn't that the kind of helium valve you were talking about?

 

[nolder]

I read some of the older posts and I think I understand what you guys are trying to do with spinnerets. I imagine some HUGE problems with using spinnerets. One is that the speed of the web coming out of the shooter is limited by how fast your spinneret can spin the web. another is that if your using your pressure source (co2, compressed air, etc.) to push web fluid to the spinneret, you will probably need ANOTHER pressure source to push the braided web out from the spinneret and out of the shooter. This is because your web fluid will lose a lot of forward momentum in the spinneret.

I don't want to create bad feelings between myself and anyone, but those are my concerns.

This might help those who are trying to make a spinneret. It is a small electric motor I used in high school. It spins really fast. I attached a propeller to it and put it on this thing that had magnets attached on the bottom and put it on a magnetic track to make, what was essentially a hover car. But anyways, it uses very little energy. I remember the really tiny batteries we used with it lasted a really long time. And as I already said, It spins very fast.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_...9x00001a&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=SPM4823938801

 

[nolder]

also, I did some searching, and this might help us all. it's a patent someone filed in 1990 for a web slinging toy.
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=5072856.PN.&OS=PN/5072856&RS=PN/5072856

 

[Iron_spider]

I read some of the older posts and I think I understand what you guys are trying to do with spinnerets. I imagine some HUGE problems with using spinnerets. One is that the speed of the web coming out of the shooter is limited by how fast your spinneret can spin the web. another is that if your using your pressure source (co2, compressed air, etc.) to push web fluid to the spinneret, you will probably need ANOTHER pressure source to push the braided web out from the spinneret and out of the shooter. This is because your web fluid will lose a lot of forward momentum in the spinneret.

I don't think the spinning speed of the spinneret will affect the speed of the web. I mean, some people aren't even using spinning spinnerets in their shooter. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure all the speed of the spinneret will change is the shape of the web.

Have you ever used a weed spray tank? It does a fine job of propelling whatever fluid through its nozzle. And it's pressurized much less than we intend to pressurize our fluid containers, whether it be cartridge, canister, or tank.

 

[nolder]

I don't think the spinning speed of the spinneret will affect the speed of the web. I mean, some people aren't even using spinning spinnerets in their shooter. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure all the speed of the spinneret will change is the shape of the web.

Have you ever used a weed spray tank? It does a fine job of propelling whatever fluid through its nozzle. And it's pressurized much less than we intend to pressurize our fluid containers, whether it be cartridge, canister, or tank.

As a matter of fact, I haven't used one. Does a weed spray tank use a spinneret or something like it? and wouldn't a spinneret create a centrifugal force which would mess up the direction of the web?

 

[Aracno_8000]

Hey guys, I think I'm going to take a step back for a while. I'm going to start to do my work on the website now. I'll still check the forums, but most of my insights will be on realwebtech. I'm even thinking about starting a short video series where I explain the web shooters in depth. Such questions as the circuits and the spinnerets will be answered there. It's just a thought, no promises. Anyway, have a good one, and remember, Excelsior.

Well, the idea of the video series should be an efficient way to explain the project...also, i think that most people could notice that someone is tryin' hard to make this real, so maybe someone will support our ideas

to MarvelFan: I saw the Ben Reilly web shooters, and i have to admit that i kinda like it very well! However, i think it's difficult to bring 'em to the real life because of the right pressure-need...so, as i said before, i think that the project made by Iron_Spider should be the right choose to fulfill our needs...i expecially like the polyethylene tank helped by the air-compressor!
Ok, maybe the project itself would be diffucult to be completed, but i guess it's a very good solution

 

[Aracno_8000]

Oh, i just forgot about that...i have a question about Wadaltmon's web fluid: is it working? I wonder if we can use it into the web-shooter.

 

[Iron_spider]

As a matter of fact, I haven't used one. Does a weed spray tank use a spinneret or something like it? and wouldn't a spinneret create a centrifugal force which would mess up the direction of the web?

Yeah sort of. They're those tanks with the manual pumps on them that you have to push down repeatedly to pressurize the tank. Some of them have different nozzles for different shapes, but I've never seen one that spins.

And at first, I thought that same thing about centrifugal force. But if you'll take a look at Leren's web shooter from a while ago (I'm not sure where it is, I'll try to post the link later. It's on a different forum.), he uses motors to spin his fluid and it looks pretty good.

 

[White_widow]

I'm sorry, I have to chime in on this one. There is no such thing as centrifugal force. It doesn't exist. Centrifugal implies that there is a mystical force pushing something outward. To date there is not one material that exhibits this property.

What you guys are thinking about it centripetal force. When something spins and can stay in one place, for example, water in a bucket, it is being held in place by a base force, in this case a bucket/rope's insteraction. It's an important distinction. It means that there must be a physical object present to generate that motion. I'll explain the spinneret in the first video. The camera is charging, and I've written the script. It should be ready in a couple hours.

Edit: does anyone know where I can find a simple media editing software for free? I want to give you guys a quality video.

 

[Iron_spider]

You could probably download Windows Movie Maker somewhere online for free.

edit: http://windows-movie-maker.en.softonic.com/download