World Web shooter shop class - Part 1

[nolder]

so guys. besides web shooters, what's something whose creators constantly have to wrestle with pressure and fluid capacity? If you thought water guns, you're right! They have valves, pressure vessels, fluid vessels, and triggers (not our terminology, but web-shooters do technically have triggers). People have been spending decades trying to improve the designs of water guns and I think our web-shooters could really benefit from a little water-gun research.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/water-blaster.htm

I know mine will because I've been thinking about how they will work when rotated, considering our arms are naturally designed to twist at all kinds of weird angles. The problem would be when the fluid is being acted upon by gravity to be away from the uptake valve. The solution I have found comes from water guns. I'm going to put an uptake hose in my fluid vessel which will take it to the nozzle and will put it ahead of the pressure.

But enough about my design. I also think we should consider using some tubing parts from the inside of water guns, considering they were meant to withstand some pressure.

EDIT:
After searching some more, I found this guy that made an electric watergun that has a backpack-like component and gloves. It enables him to shoot water from his wrist in a similar way to our favorite friendly neighborhood wall-crawler
http://kidavalanche.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/make-an-electric-water-gun/

 

[Iron_spider]

To Iron spider: that's cool. Is it like a bear trap?

Sort of. It's servo-controlled.

 

[Human Spider]

I'm new here, but I have an idea to solve misfires. I just pmed it to white widow. I'm going to use a spring and locking pin system which would keep the palm lever device inside the webshooter. With a flick of the wrist, the palm lever would go to the palm. I got this idea from a friend who made an assassin's creed cosplay complete with a hidden blade. It would sorta word like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzhK0vho64o

I also have an idea for the nozzles of a shooter. There are those garden hose attachments that when you squeeze a little, water comes out in a conical shape, and when you squeeze alot, it comes out in straight stream. I'm not saying we use water hose attachments in the designs of our webshooters (they are far to big), but it might be worth looking into how they work. It might be a useful upgrade to be able to shoot a web in a cone shape, as well as a straight web. What do you all think?

Just so you know, some of those spraying bottles people use for cleaning windows has an adjustable nozzle that has a similar result as the garden hose thing. It just has this cap at the end that could adjust to fire a spray of water, or a thick stream. Thing is, it has to be twisted to adjust, similar to a bottle cap.

 

[Cpt Spidamonkey]

I don't understand how it would damage/loosen parts. Could you explain that to me?

But, if that's not possible, maybe there could be some sort of catching and cutting mechanism. I just feel like shooting and catching may prove to be an issue for some people (especially me :P). Hand-eye coordination has never been one of my strong suits...

You could have a variable resister in the circuit that delays the stopping of the circuit causing it to shoot for just slightly longer after you've released the trigger giving you more time to catch it?

 

[nolder]

Just so you know, some of those spraying bottles people use for cleaning windows has an adjustable nozzle that has a similar result as the garden hose thing. It just has this cap at the end that could adjust to fire a spray of water, or a thick stream. Thing is, it has to be twisted to adjust, similar to a bottle cap.

yes! and I found out spray bottles use the same mechanics as a small watergun (1 piston, 1 spring, 2 one-way valves)

 

[newstranger]

What do you think is the best way to shoot liquid as far as possible?

 

[White_widow]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernoulli's_principle. Kid over. Too tired to comment... nice pic nolder

 

[White_widow]

wrong link.., meant this one. increase fluid speed, decrease pressure. like thumb in a hose. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venturi_effect

 

[Spectacular23]

so guys. besides web shooters, what's something whose creators constantly have to wrestle with pressure and fluid capacity? If you thought water guns, you're right! They have valves, pressure vessels, fluid vessels, and triggers (not our terminology, but web-shooters do technically have triggers). People have been spending decades trying to improve the designs of water guns and I think our web-shooters could really benefit from a little water-gun research.

http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/water-blaster.htm

I know mine will because I've been thinking about how they will work when rotated, considering our arms are naturally designed to twist at all kinds of weird angles. The problem would be when the fluid is being acted upon by gravity to be away from the uptake valve. The solution I have found comes from water guns. I'm going to put an uptake hose in my fluid vessel which will take it to the nozzle and will put it ahead of the pressure.

But enough about my design. I also think we should consider using some tubing parts from the inside of water guns, considering they were meant to withstand some pressure.

EDIT:
After searching some more, I found this guy that made an electric watergun that has a backpack-like component and gloves. It enables him to shoot water from his wrist in a similar way to our favorite friendly neighborhood wall-crawler
http://kidavalanche.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/make-an-electric-water-gun/

This is pretty cool. The electricity and how everything works together is brilliant. I like the back pack though. Great idea. I can see how some one can actually draw designs from this one. But maybe there is a way to have all these in to a similar gauntlet for a wearer can wear. Instead of having web shooters and gloves. Let the web shooter/ gauntlet be the glove.

Like this image perhap. Now the design was done by a user on SHH all credits goes to him:



This can be a cool advance shooters. That can help probably solve the extra fluid tanks or the needs of motors. If done right. I believe this model can be used as the web shooters and wall crawling apparatus. Cartridges can be tube like or the 16fl oz containers. I believe his device can be heavily modified if needed. And still look cool with a uniform, and or costume.

 

[White_widow]

Kid is gone. Still tired, but at least I'm coherent. So I think, with light of these new articles, I think we should all start our prototypes. I'm using aerosol supplies and home depot parts, you guys will go with the spray thing, the web is going with solenoids, the iron_spider and marvel fan have a great marriage design. I think that now is the time to build. What do you say? Functional shooters by july 1st?

 

[AmazinSpiderboy]

Ok but is it going to end up like last time

 

[Wadaltmon]

Kid is gone. Still tired, but at least I'm coherent. So I think, with light of these new articles, I think we should all start our prototypes. I'm using aerosol supplies and home depot parts, you guys will go with the spray thing, the web is going with solenoids, the iron_spider and marvel fan have a great marriage design. I think that now is the time to build. What do you say? Functional shooters by july 1st?

Sounds good to me. I will probably have all the parts for my circuit by then, and also, I will have all the formula supplies by then.
Also, anyone know where I can get a small rubber-padded SPST pushbutton?

 

[Spectacular23]

Kid is gone. Still tired, but at least I'm coherent. So I think, with light of these new articles, I think we should all start our prototypes. I'm using aerosol supplies and home depot parts, you guys will go with the spray thing, the web is going with solenoids, the iron_spider and marvel fan have a great marriage design. I think that now is the time to build. What do you say? Functional shooters by july 1st?

What do you mean?

 

[nolder]

This is pretty cool. The electricity and how everything works together is brilliant. I like the back pack though. Great idea. I can see how some one can actually draw designs from this one. But maybe there is a way to have all these in to a similar gauntlet for a wearer can wear. Instead of having web shooters and gloves. Let the web shooter/ gauntlet be the glove.

Like this image perhap. Now the design was done by a user on SHH all credits goes to him:



This can be a cool advance shooters. That can help probably solve the extra fluid tanks or the needs of motors. If done right. I believe this model can be used as the web shooters and wall crawling apparatus. Cartridges can be tube like or the 16fl oz containers. I believe his device can be heavily modified if needed. And still look cool with a uniform, and or costume.

I really like the gauntlet idea. theres 2 problems though. 1 is that its not easily concealable (covers your whole hand, WOMP), but this might not be an issue with some people. the other problem is that it's hard to work with plastics and metals to make something homemade that can withstand alot of pressure. as far as I know, there are not many commercially available gauntlets built to how fluid and withstand pressure from a pressure source.

I expect to run into the second problem with the latest thing I thought up. I was thinking of a way to store a good amount of fluid without use of changing cartridges or a bulky backpack device. what I came up with were hollow cylindrical trapezoidal webbing containers that fit on the upper arms. they would probably hold around a liter or two of web fluid. your upper arm would go through the cylinder, and you would retain most of the range of motion in your are due to the trapezoidal shape. The long side of the trapezoid would go from the outside elbow to your shoulder, while the short side would go on your inner arm so that your elbow could still fully bend. another benefit to this is it would give the appearance of muscle mass t:. The problem is, there is NOTHING like it on the market except for the little arm floaties we had as kids, and it would be terribly difficult to make.

EDIT: ok so now that I'm seeing it on paper, 2 liters might've been a little to optimistic. I also realized a parallelogram would be a shape for the design. below is an outline of what it could maybe look like.

 

[White_widow]

to spiderboy: maybe, but you forget that the movie is july third, and do you really not want to have your shooters done by that?

To Wadaltmon: Cool. I look forward to seeing your version.

To Specs: My family babysat a kid from the local ward for three days. I plan on being a parent one day, but for now, I think I'll enjoy my bachelor time.

To Nolder: It's called polymorph, and it's amazing.

http://www.amazon.com/InstaMorph-Mo...UTF8&qid=1339983133&sr=8-4&keywords=polymorph

If you can make a hollow core that you can put this stuff around, then you can have something that is decently strong enough. With just enough layering it will be stronger than the average plastic pressure vessel.

Cool idea.

Also, I absolutely love that link. If I had access to that when we started and the thing about pvc t-shirt cannon, I'm sure we'd be done by now with the shooter.

 

[Iron_spider]

Kid is gone. Still tired, but at least I'm coherent. So I think, with light of these new articles, I think we should all start our prototypes. I'm using aerosol supplies and home depot parts, you guys will go with the spray thing, the web is going with solenoids, the iron_spider and marvel fan have a great marriage design. I think that now is the time to build. What do you say? Functional shooters by july 1st?

Mine probably won't be done until the end of July, but that sounds good. Kind of disappointing that I won't have one by the movie... I look forward to seeing you guys stuff though!

 

[White_widow]

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-10716/Detail

http://www.instructables.com/id/Hydroponic-pump-from-recycled-battery-operated-wee/?ALLSTEPS#step2

 

[nolder]

Mine probably won't be done until the end of July, but that sounds good. Kind of disappointing that I won't have one by the movie... I look forward to seeing you guys stuff though!

yeah, I'm probably going to hold off until someone makes a video demonstration of their shooter working. I'm pretty confident I can build a shooter, but I have no idea what to do for web formula.

I wanna see a video of someone firing their webshooter and pulling an object towards them, such as a medium sized potted plant, before I go out and buy the expensive parts. I know we wont be able to swing from it.

also, does anyone know if it would be an unrealistic expectation for the web to be able to web someones feet to the ground, either making them unable to move or at the very least slowing them down?

 

[White_widow]

LAZY...

With a heavy expansion factor, that's possible. Different formulas for different occasions.

 

[nolder]

LAZY...

With a heavy expansion factor, that's possible. Different formulas for different occasions.

I suppose it's mostly because I'm lazy t:! but it's also partly that I don't want to invest in parts to build something that I don't know will work, and I can't possibly make money off of it because Marvel and toymakers probably have copyrights and trademarks up the wazoo for anything like it.

 

[nolder]

http://www.idealtruevalue.com/servlet/the-10716/Detail

http://www.instructables.com/id/Hydroponic-pump-from-recycled-battery-operated-wee/?ALLSTEPS#step2

WOW! would you look at that! a real life spinneret! and it looks like it uses the same motor that I posted before! That's so cool!

so, it spins, but will it be able to spin the web fibers onto themselves?

 

[Human Spider]

Just wondering, what fluid should we use to pour into the canisters so we could demonstrate our prototypes?

 

[White_widow]

To Human spider: I think that styrofoam and acetone is what we should use, as it will have a similar viscosity.

To Nolder: I don't think I like that. Why don't we all just wait until someone else does all the work for us? Golly, that's like being that one person in a project who doesn't do anything but talk, but still get a good grade. I've spent loads of money on this project, and so has JMA, the web, and others. I think you should be respectful of that.

Edit: I'm not saying you aren't contributing, because you are. That link was gold. But honestly, what I heard was I'll give you guys help, but I want you to make it for me.

 

[nolder]

To Human spider: I think that styrofoam and acetone is what we should use, as it will have a similar viscosity.

To Nolder: I don't think I like that. Why don't we all just wait until someone else does all the work for us? Golly, that's like being that one person in a project who doesn't do anything but talk, but still get a good grade. I've spent loads of money on this project, and so has JMA, the web, and others. I think you should be respectful of that.

I totally understand where you're coming from. It's not that I don't want to put in the work, It's just that I don't think I could afford the materials. I'm a college student and I'm just starting to live on campus in august. I don't have a job (I'm trying to get one), so I need to save whatever money I have. I don't want to waste it on parts I wont need.

There will be people after us who will put little to no imagination into their webshooters and will build very similar ones based on our designs and ideas. Others will make improvements to our designs. That's just how inventions work. I hope my ideas and links thus far have had a positive effect on everyone's efforts, and I continue to wish everyone a lot of luck.

Plus, I'm 50% Scottish, so I'm cheap! t: hahah

EDIT: ok, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to give that impression. I'm just not very knowledgeable in chemistry. I'm kind of skeptical of us being able to shoot a web and grab it. I've seen the pictures of the first web shooter that was made by whathisname, but to me it didn't look like a line you could grab. considering it was made out of what? like 3 different glues and some other stuff? It seemed like it was a fancy watergun that shot a sticky liquid.

But again, I apologize.

 

[Spectacular23]

I really like the gauntlet idea. theres 2 problems though. 1 is that its not easily concealable (covers your whole hand, WOMP), but this might not be an issue with some people. the other problem is that it's hard to work with plastics and metals to make something homemade that can withstand alot of pressure. as far as I know, there are not many commercially available gauntlets built to how fluid and withstand pressure from a pressure source.

I expect to run into the second problem with the latest thing I thought up. I was thinking of a way to store a good amount of fluid without use of changing cartridges or a bulky backpack device. what I came up with were hollow cylindrical trapezoidal webbing containers that fit on the upper arms. they would probably hold around a liter or two of web fluid. your upper arm would go through the cylinder, and you would retain most of the range of motion in your are due to the trapezoidal shape. The long side of the trapezoid would go from the outside elbow to your shoulder, while the short side would go on your inner arm so that your elbow could still fully bend. another benefit to this is it would give the appearance of muscle mass t:. The problem is, there is NOTHING like it on the market except for the little arm floaties we had as kids, and it would be terribly difficult to make.

EDIT: ok so now that I'm seeing it on paper, 2 liters might've been a little to optimistic. I also realized a parallelogram would be a shape for the design. below is an outline of what it could maybe look like.

I understand what you mean. But I still think a very hard and tough plastic can be made to form the guantlet. The point is not to make it concealable. They also suppose to help with scaling walls. I think the guantlet idea is possible. I'm pretty sure figuring out a way to build a streamlined water proof guantlet that can be made n2 a web shooter and a way to wall crawl. As far as storage space. I believe if maybe u were to pressurize the vessel which is built n2 the guantlet. The amount of webbing can actually double then the 16oz perhaps (I'm speaking theoretically) refilling them can be easy as 1-2-3 jus pop n a cartrdge that kinda suck the fluid out into the pressure vessel like a high powered vaccum. The idea is just in theories as of now. But I think I can have something by July 1st. Pics and videos a few days afterwards..