World Web shooter shop class - Part 1

[spider 2099]

I'm thinking about making a new forum just for Newbies to get acquainted with the basics of web shooter design. I'm willing to make a forum where I will go, in depth, into everything including traps that new guys fall into with working on this, but I need you guys to do something for me.

you must promise to NOT POST A SINGLE THING in that forum. I will need to go in depth on this project. The history, as not to repeat it, the mechanism, the theories. I don't have enough time to do this, so I will have to go uninterrupted.

If I get Bdude and Sal to officially write out that they will not post on that forum, I will start it. The only, AND I DO MEAN ONLY persons that I will allow to write on that forum would be The_Web and Wadaltmon.

Are these ok terms?

That's good for me and sal found was exallent I love it
To all of us: you are talking about swinging but think this " if there's a part were you can throw a web what are you going to do then???
To WW: I post the images of that thing I was talking about that may help us with the shooter and my home made light up web shooter will be uploaded on the weekend or on Thursday

 

[MSaleem]

Spiderm2099, well if we just shoot the web at the (lets say) enemy, and let go of the trigger, then the web would be flying in that direction anyway.

 

[jamisicus6]

Clever idea (or at least that's what I think) that will fix both the retraction and the holding the thread problem. When you press the trigger to launch the thread, it separates two drums in front of the spinneret. When the trigger is released again the drums close, trapping the thread. Then its a simple task to fix a small motor to those drums for when you want to retract it again. Again, Diagrams to follow (I really love diagrams )

 

[Black_Widow]

Hi I'm new to all of this. I find WW's idea of starting a new thread to help all the newbies a good idea!!!!!!!!! I am a newbie and I need some help understanding where we're standing. Lol. Anyway. White widow, please respond back.

 

[spider 2099]

Spiderm2099, well if we just shoot the web at the (lets say) enemy, and let go of the trigger, then the web would be flying in that direction anyway.

What I want to say is that we are going to be swinging all over the place right (or that's what I expect) now lets say that on a part is the city like a long, long street there's no building to shoot your web what are you going to do if you are on tha air by the time you realize this because for what I know we still don't posses spider powers

 

[spider 2099]

Hi I'm new to all of this. I find WW's idea of starting a new thread to help all the newbies a good idea!!!!!!!!! I am a newbie and I need some help understanding where we're standing. Lol. Anyway. White widow, please respond back.

It easy actually we are trying to figure out what option is best for the shooter (or at least that's what I'm doing) now if you want more info about this go to realwebtech.com or to widows page the is all the info you need to start whith your proyect

 

[Black_Widow]

It easy actually we are trying to figure out what option is best for the shooter (or at least that's what I'm doing) now if you want more info about this go to realwebtech.com or to widows page the is all the info you need to start whith your proyect

Got it

 

[MSaleem]

Hi I'm new to all of this. I find WW's idea of starting a new thread to help all the newbies a good idea!!!!!!!!! I am a newbie and I need some help understanding where we're standing. Lol. Anyway. White widow, please respond back.

So right now we dont really know where we are at. We are considering using CO2 cartridges

 

[White_widow]

I have to work, but to Sal:

To Black Widow: Welcome! Please read the web sites first, and know that cellustick on iron spider's site realwebtech is the best current formula. I'm working on PVA research which is showing some promise.

 

[MSaleem]

I have to work, but to Sal:

To Black Widow: Welcome! Please read the web sites first, and know that cellustick on iron spider's site realwebtech is the best current formula. I'm working on PVA research which is showing some promise.

I was thinking about the web shooter specifically, not the formula.

 

[MSaleem]

I'm sorry Black_Widow,
For the Formula there are two
Cellustick:
Cellulose Acetate
+
Neoprene
+
PVA (Polyvinyl Alcohol)
+
Acetone
+
Contact Cement

We cant use any time of crazy glue like gorilla glue because we need water for the contact cement. The reason is water and polyeurthane mixing, will make the polyeurthane weaken. Acetone is a liquid that dissolves various polymers and other stuff. We will take the acetone and water into the materials to dissolve it into liquid, which will be placed in the cartridge. That pretty much sums the formula, but we have'nt dont much testing.

The Web Shooter, is simple, but has one complicated part. The valve. I am sure you know the parts if you read Iron Spider's website. The valve controls the amount of gas/liquid let out.
As for materials, we might use CO2 canisters, tubing, types of metal, wire, pressure gauge maybe, needles, and some other stuff depending on your design.
In order for the liquid to turn to a solid or stringy, we must get rid of the acetone and water, (which makes it fluid) in order to do that, there are different ways. They are all called spinning. There are different types of spinning, Gel (for gels), Dry, Electric, and others that are too complicated. Right now I like the idea of Dry Spinning. When the pressure is released, the fluid go toward the nozzle right? Where it leaves the shooter. Well some place right before the fluid leaves, it must heat up. So I thought of heating the hollow needle. The wire/coil is placed around and the fluid will pass through, evaporating the acetone and the water. Now for the spinneret. Some designs show is spinning so the fibers are strong, but im not exactly sure on how to do that. The fluid leaves the nozzle, which should be perfect. Sticky and Strong. If not, then make some own modifications...

There has been suggestions like using borax instead of acetone, and using Mighty Putty as an addition.

Better White Widow?

 

[Black_Widow]

Nice. I've used CO2 canisters on biking trips and it is strong. Use a regulator. It controls how hard and how much co2 comes out. So what's the problem with the web shooter? How much gas/liquid is let out? Have you ever tried a regulator on a CO2 canister?

 

[MSaleem]

Nice. I've used CO2 canisters on biking trips and it is strong. Use a regulator. It controls how hard and how much co2 comes out. So what's the problem with the web shooter? How much gas/liquid is let out? Have you ever tried a regulator on a CO2 canister?

Thanks for the idea or a regulator, I needed to control the amount, but just didn't know how. t:

 

[nolder]

I'm sorry Black_Widow,
For the Formula there are two
Cellustick:
Cellulose Acetate
+
Neoprene
+
PVA (Polyvinyl Alcohol)
+
Acetone
+
Contact Cement

We cant use any time of crazy glue like gorilla glue because we need water for the contact cement. The reason is water and polyeurthane mixing, will make the polyeurthane weaken. Acetone is a liquid that dissolves various polymers and other stuff. We will take the acetone and water into the materials to dissolve it into liquid, which will be placed in the cartridge. That pretty much sums the formula, but we have'nt dont much testing.

The Web Shooter, is simple, but has one complicated part. The valve. I am sure you know the parts if you read Iron Spider's website. The valve controls the amount of gas/liquid let out.
As for materials, we might use CO2 canisters, tubing, types of metal, wire, pressure gauge maybe, needles, and some other stuff depending on your design.
In order for the liquid to turn to a solid or stringy, we must get rid of the acetone and water, (which makes it fluid) in order to do that, there are different ways. They are all called spinning. There are different types of spinning, Gel (for gels), Dry, Electric, and others that are too complicated. Right now I like the idea of Dry Spinning. When the pressure is released, the fluid go toward the nozzle right? Where it leaves the shooter. Well some place right before the fluid leaves, it must heat up. So I thought of heating the hollow needle. The wire/coil is placed around and the fluid will pass through, evaporating the acetone and the water. Now for the spinneret. Some designs show is spinning so the fibers are strong, but im not exactly sure on how to do that. The fluid leaves the nozzle, which should be perfect. Sticky and Strong. If not, then make some own modifications...

There has been suggestions like using borax instead of acetone, and using Mighty Putty as an addition.

Better White Widow?

Sal: I think he was referring to your suggestions (duct tape, co2 cartridges, etc.) are just rehashing of stuff we have already told you.

2099: I recently made a post under new idea on realwebtech on swinging. Hopefully by explaining in physics, you'll understand that swinging isn't likely to happen, but it is a nice dream to have for this project.

WW: Hahaha

BW: Welcome! please visit these sights to learn more about the shooters
http://realwebtech.webs.com/
http://madscientistslair.weebly.com/index.html

 

[MSaleem]

Sal: I think he was referring to your suggestions (duct tape, co2 cartridges, etc.) are just rehashing of stuff we have already told you.

2099: I recently made a post under new idea on realwebtech on swinging. Hopefully by explaining in physics, you'll understand that swinging isn't likely to happen, but it is a nice dream to have for this project.

WW: Hahaha

BW: Welcome! please visit these sights to learn more about the shooters
http://realwebtech.webs.com/
http://madscientistslair.weebly.com/index.html

yah, I was explaning to Black_Widow, because he asked what was going on.
That whole paragraph was for black_widow

 

[Black_Widow]

So now what. What, exactly, IS, the problem?!

 

[Iron_spider]

To Iron Spider: Will you please add a HOW TO section to your website? I will post instructables for various parts of the web shooter.

Sure, I can do that. It would work the same way as the other posts on the blog, right? You post it there, I transfer it over?

 

[MSaleem]

So now what. What, exactly, IS, the problem?!

There has to be a safe way to let the CO2 out and control it. As you mentioned it is the regulator. We also have to make sure that all materials are not chemically reactive with our formula. For example, the acetone, and the PVC. We also have to build and test without hurting ourselves. I think what is best is that we should start working on an official web shooter. Anyone else agree? Norder? Jamiscus6? Iron Spider? Black Widow? Your thoughts?

 

[Black_Widow]

Let's do it!!!!! White Widow. What do you think?

 

[nolder]

Sure, I can do that. It would work the same way as the other posts on the blog, right? You post it there, I transfer it over?

could you transfer over my post on the the physics of swinging if you think it's worthy? I think it should go under theory but it's up to you.

"There has to be a safe way to let the CO2 out and control it. As you mentioned it is the regulator. We also have to make sure that all materials are not chemically reactive with our formula. For example, the acetone, and the PVC. We also have to build and test without hurting ourselves. I think what is best is that we should start working on an official web shooter. Anyone else agree? Norder? Jamiscus6? Iron Spider? Black Widow? Your thoughts? "

Well I think I mentioned co2 bike tire inflators, paintball and airsoft gun parts for the co2 problem.

also PVC not only gets eroded by acetone, but when its put under too much pressure it has the tendency to shatter into alot of sharp pieces that go flying due to the gas.

and the idea of the project is that everyones webshooter will be different based on what they want it to do. they'll have major similarities, and some might be the same but there really is no "official" web shooter.

 

[MSaleem]

Actually, I looked up what a regulator looks like, and it's going to be a bit more complicated to turn into a trigger. The CO2 Bike Tire Inflator looks like a better way to go because it has a similar motion to which we want to do, pressing/push. As for the PVC, your right. The PVC does shatter and can not with stand high amount of pressure. So I have looked up for more tubing options and I have found this:
http://www.amazon.com/Mueller-UT040...954832&sr=8-1&keywords=flexible+copper+tubing

CO2 Bike Pump

CO2 Regulator

This is good because it is not chemically react-able to acetone or water.

To Nolder - Could you please send me a link to your Physics post

 

[spidey44]

I mentioned something to White Widow about the acetone and PVC problem. It's called a bag on valve.

 

[MSaleem]

WOW I need to research more before I post.

The idea sounds good, but isn't it kind of big? And then you have to fit it inside of an aersol can. Plus, if the can is strapped to out hand, the spray with go upwards. Then we have to create tubing that take is to have to dry spin.

 

[spidey44]

The plastic would be solvent resistant. and the co2 or what ever propellant remains in the container surrounding the bag.

 

[MSaleem]

The plastic would be solvent resistant. and the co2 or what ever propellant remains in the container surrounding the bag.

Spidey44
that sounds good, but there are few problems. Like the bag is going to be sealed around the outer can, so if the co2 is in the can but not the bag, then the CO2 won't propel it. Unless you manage to get the CO2 inside the bag. Also, strapping it to our arm causes the spray to point upwards. Plus it is kind of big.

Go to the link. Look at the diagram/picture. Notice you said the gas will be in the can and not in the bag, so it will have no effect on the propellation

http://www.bagonvalve.com/en/index.htm