World Web shooter shop class

[White_widow]

Pretty much. I think we can mix the ideas.

 

[TheWeb]

I do not mean to be rude, only contribute.

You guys need to think three steps ahead and skip steps one and two.

What i mean by this is, a lot of what i'm seeing is people trying to manage a way to mix all chemicals at the same time in a web shooter. This is not efficient.

What should be done to minimalize the size of the shooter, and the compartments that hold the chemicals necessary for the formula to work is that you should have all the chemicals mixed before hand, except ONE activator, and this activator does not have to be liquid. I had the idea of taking a nozzle and surrounding it with syringes that blew out C02. (from tiny C02 cartridges(for paintball guns)). This would provide the webbing some direction, and if you can find a way to make C02 an activator for your formula( or any other cheap compressible gas) you will be golden. Think about it like this, put a cartridge of premixed formula in the web shooter( which is in liquid form). Then put enough C02 cartridges in to wrap around your arm. The liquid would shoot out( liquid gives direction). When the liquid shoots out it would be surrounded by say 4 syringes that shot out C02(this would either activate the liquid or cool the liquid) the concentrated direction of the C02 would provide even more direction.

This method would change depending on what types of chemicals you would use, and would help the condense the size of the shooters greatly.

I have a working prototype of my version, which is the perfect scale. The only problem is i dont have the money for the substances my personal formula requires.

What i'm trying to get at with this is don't just think about the formula, think about the scale of the shooters. Put enough determination into it and the two will sync with each other perfectly.

Also look more towards marc webbs amazing spiderman webshooters. They are almost perfect for the real thing, except it needs to be based off a gas that causes alot of pressure. If you look into the nozzle of marc webbs and ponder on it a bit you'll see exactly how the design coincides with mine.

I'll try posting a design of it tommorow.

 

[TheWeb]

Here's a quick draw up of the basic concept of my functional shooter.
Some parts are left out on purpose.

the tech works thanks to the guys at raspberry pi

 

[White_widow]

Raspberry pi. That's a fantastic pun.^^ Anyway, welcome to the forums "The Web" I like your basic premise. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the logic is, combine two ingredients to create a whole formula, but use a catalyst to speed it up. nice. I agree with most of what you said, but I only have two issues with the design.

1.) If CO2 is the catalyst, then wouldn't that be counterproductive to use it as the propellant? It's going to clog over time in the mixing chamber.

2.) It seems to have a lot of parts, and you mentioned technology built into it. This means that it has a lot of chances for breakage. One tube springs a leak, there isn't a proper regulator to control flow of the components of the formula with a differing viscosities, and there is no mention of specific parts that can be replaced.

Of course there is the thing about there won't be enough formula to do anything, but we've beat that one to death. Other than those two and a half things, I like your shooter design a lot. It shows thought, determination, and creativity. If you make a propellant that isn't the catalyst, and use less parts, I think you really have something there.

 

[spidey44]

White Widow pretty much covered what I was going to say, but one other thing was, wheres the valve to release the propellant and fluid.

 

[Spectacular23]

Pretty much. I think we can mix the ideas.

I agree. What if? Instead of using a powerful Chemical substance like Xenothium... What if we can create a type of special liquid that can "mimic" webbing. Similar to the venom compound in Ultimate Spiderman. This way we'll be mixing ideas of Red X with Spidey. The "compound X" Can be the source of his webbing abilities. Then He can still have web shooters to help regulate the flow and be shot out more accurately. Before you guys get all hype. THIS IS NOT Organic Webbing. It can still run out of pressure and all you have to do is refill a pressure cartridges which can hold (theoretically now) about 200-225 shots.

 

[White_widow]

Sorry specs, I was focusing on the mechanics, and not the chemicals. While having something like xenothium would be cool, I feel that it is unrealistic to have something like that. I was just referring to a stash of fluid in a belt with a fluid channel to the arms.

Because there is tech, I'm going to assume that there is a solenoid valve somewhere in Web's design.

 

[Spectacular23]

Sorry specs, I was focusing on the mechanics, and not the chemicals. While having something like xenothium would be cool, I feel that it is unrealistic to have something like that. I was just referring to a stash of fluid in a belt with a fluid channel to the arms.

Because there is tech, I'm going to assume that there is a solenoid valve somewhere in Web's design.

Ohhh ok I got ya

 

[TheWeb]

My current design is indeed heavily dependent on the tech and the design itself. The code is written in a variety of languages, mainly C++. I have backups in case a "leak" occurs but the precision going into the design helps prevent that. I don't want to give out the formula because i know it's not the best one WE can make. C02 isn't meant to be the permanent gas activator for this, i want to find something better, or possible something to mix it with to reduce cartridges and make it more efficient. There are valves in my design i did not include because it was a quick mock up and i know White_Widow and other smart individuals with an engineering background will know where they are. Right now the tech has basic functionality, i'm currently working with a friend of mine who is a security software engineer at zynga on making the tech way more advanced than it already is. It is also important to note that the materials required for the shooter i have in a belt.(don't worry about running out). Guys peter parkers webshooter is VERY VERY possible and all of you are very close to it, but all of you imbalance what you think the main dependencies are.(no offense, just meaning to encourage) There is very complicated tech, formula, and design in the shooter that all coincide with each other to make a great shooter. That's where my design comes from. Having a background with software engineering and a childhood of building motors with my dad kind of helps me design it, i just need someone to help me craft the perfect formula. Also if anyone was curious about the new spiderman costume from the movie(it's a modified zion wetsuit)

 

[TheWeb]

White_widow if you'll pm me i'd be glad to talk to you on facebook, and finally make this perfect formula that everyones been looking for. We can do it. We can all do it. It's not a question of if it's possible. It's a question of how far you are willing to go.

 

[TheWeb]

The lever is needed to trigger a button, and it's not as noticable in the actual thing like it is in this diagram.

 

[TheWeb]

White_Widow, on the breaking parts issue.
I like to put a basic principal to the inventions and software i create.
There's no use in doing it at all, if you're going to do it half assed.
There are backups for the tech portion(easily made), the tubes have to be made out of high quality material, and the canisters as well.
Why half ass the "hardware" of the webshooter.
When we are so careful and precise with the formula?
Get what i'm saying? lol

 

[TheWeb]

Sorry for so many post, but i also for got to reply to this portion of your message.
"If you make a propellant that isn't the catalyst, and use less parts, I think you really have something there."
The propellant isn't suppost to be the catalyst.
Error in the diagram.
Secondly using less parts is a very broad term. I'm assuming you mean the tubes and C02 canisters.
This is a diagram that looks a lot bigger than it actually is.
Yes it can still be approved in scale, and it will.
But less parts at some times can be bad because complicity can be a good thing in some cases.
As long as you have the complicity at a certain scale.

 

[White_widow]

Lol, you have spunk and creativity. Much more than I do. In fact, if you did program valves and other circuitry with c++, I can only say that you have surpassed me in most, if not all regards. If your shooter isn't to scale, I could see how my last comment was uncalled for anyway. In any case, it looks like you have things figured out. If you would be willing to show us a picture of your work, even covered significantly, I think I speak for all of us in that it would be fascinating beyond belief.

In any case, I'll be a little more specific on my belief that too many working parts is problematic in the long run. For example, those tubes look like a network of veins, and I'm not sure that tubes with such sharp turns and connections can withstand the number of Co2 cartridges that you are referring to in your drawing. Unless these tubes are connected to couplers, any outside stress could possibly rupture the tubes, and that's not even factoring what happens when all the Co2 reaches the shooter. I'm sure you have a back up system for pressure in your technology parts. That is to say, a pressure vessel that is designed to regulate certain amounts of airflow. Those parts need to be checked regularly.

Another thing that I'm worried about it battery. If your system is as heavily dependent on computerized functions as you say, you run a risk that there will be a system failure if your battery dies or gets wet. ( I bet you already water proofed it, so I'm not so worried about that as energy consumption)

A final thing that worries me is that you are using a two part formula. By using a multi-stage chemical reaction, you need to factor in viscosity rates, bi-products, and the empirical formula on an atomic level. That doesn't take into consideration other factors such as humidity, water, heat, and surfaces.

All in all, it makes more difficulty than it needs to have, in my opinion. However, if you succeed, and have succeeded, then I will admit that I'm super impressed. I'd ask your age, but that sort of thing is best left out of the internet. All I have to say is that if you are telling the truth, and have a full functioning device, then I will have a new hero to look up to.

 

[TheWeb]

I'm a senior in highschool(so you know). I do online school and in my free time i like building things, writing software, and hacking. I also do parkour so i know how the human body works, and what's possible and what's not. I should go ahead and tell you now, that mainstream science isn't always right and it's very easy to bend their rules to get what you want.(you'll understand what that means later i guess).
The batteries are waterproofed, and they don't run out too often, and if they do there is a backup battery.
I should be upfront and tell you that i plan on using these for parkour, and never say its impossible.
My web shooter can only hold ten pounds(which is good for the size), but not efficient enough and not strong enough for what i and so many others want to do with it. Which is why i need someone to assist me in writing the perfect formula.
I'm in San Francisco right now, when i get back to my house in SC i'll take some pictures, but that's going to be a couple of weeks as i'm doing something for the USCC.
Btw i noticed someone mentioned the web slipping through your hands, if you have a sticky enough formula and a little bit of body strength this wont be an issue.

 

[TheWeb]

also it helps to have gloves on your hands

 

[TheWeb]

Heres an example of one of those syringes at the end

very small

 

[Wadaltmon]

Can you post some actual pictures of the shooter itself? so we know that you actually built it, and know not only from theory that it will work?

 

[TheWeb]

Take a chill pill wadaltmon. I'll post the pictures when i get to the other side of the country where my shooter is at. I picked up that syringe at a hardware store while i was here in SF for extras.
I understand your skepticism

 

[White_widow]

i'm doing something for the USCC.

Does that stand for United states cyber challenge, or is it something else?

 

[TheWeb]

yea United States Cyber Challenge.

 

[Iron_spider]

Hi, everyone. I've been following this for quite a while now, watching from the sidelines. But now I think I may be able to offer some help. I don't have much mechanical experience (though I plan on changing that this summer with some engineering courses), and I'm finishing Chem in school right now.

Though I lack experience in much of the nitty-gritty machine stuff, I think I can provide creative assistance. I've read all of your ideas for the web shooter, and I have a few ideas myself.

I'll gladly help anyone if they want. I think I can help some of you see an outside of the box kind of approach.

Pretty cool stuff you guys are doing here. I'm looking forward to contributing in any way I can!

 

[AmazinSpiderboy]

Curiosity the web what is SC ; south Carolina and if you use the shooters for parkour would it be for things you can't reach like the hook in assassins creed revalations that Enzio uses

 

[TheWeb]

South Carolina, and I've already made those. I would probable use it to swing, and use as rope to pull up the side of a building with. Anything to get past the obstical. Nothing i can "say" i would use it for really. Creativity is endless.

 

[spidey44]

TheWeb do you already have the cartridges made to hold the web fluid?