World Web shooter shop class

[Wadaltmon]

Alright, I'm somewhat better. I got a really bad case of vertigo that comes and goes. Here's what's been going on.

I finished the web shooter. I'd post pictures but my custom battery died and I need a charger. I'll post when I can.

Pro's:
-The cartridge is hard as a rock. (it can't be drilled through) It's harder than the cans that hold real pressure.
-It's somewhat concealable. (it is half the size of the toy shooters)
- The cartridge holds like 4 oz of water.
- It actually looks like a spider.

Con's:
-The check valve is broken. (in retrospect, a soap bottle was not designed for pressure.)

-When attempting to fill up with co2 you create dry ice instead of filling up.

-the thing is hard to fill. I didn't make the entry big enough.

-It looks like it was made by a high schooler in a hurry.

So all in all, it isn't a functioning prototype. I'm going to remake the cartridge and replace the check valve with a schrader valve. I'll probably do that next week due to the constant vertigo. If I can charge my battery, I'll show you guys pictures.

Sounds really cool! Right now I am working on the double tap mechanism. Without it, I could build this in 10 minutes. The double tap is what's taking so long.
I can't wait to see the pictures.

 

[White_widow]

You know what's kind of funny? The web shooter forum was pretty dead. It was alot of talk, and after the drinking flask experiments, there was no progression. Then you (wadaltmon) came on, and suddenly there are two almost prototypes in a few weeks. That's not all either. Now we are talking upgrades, various designs at once, and fluid conceptions. It almost seems like we have a rivalry going on. The fun kind of rivalry. We share all our information, but we are constantly trying to revise past each other.

If it's not building just a functional shooter, it's building a double tap trigger. If it's not building a spinnerette, then it's got a low level indicator l.e.d. If it's not battery powered it's mechanical.

I'd like to see how far this could go, given a few weeks, months, or years. While this forum has been going for literally a year, it's only now getting a few prototypes. I wonder what happens if we turned this into a game/competition.

Thanks for the mental challenge! ^^

 

[Symbiote-Man]

You know what's kind of funny? The web shooter forum was pretty dead. It was alot of talk, and after the drinking flask experiments, there was no progression. Then you (wadaltmon) came on, and suddenly there are two almost prototypes in a few weeks. That's not all either. Now we are talking upgrades, various designs at once, and fluid conceptions. It almost seems like we have a rivalry going on. The fun kind of rivalry. We share all our information, but we are constantly trying to revise past each other.

If it's not building just a functional shooter, it's building a double tap trigger. If it's not building a spinnerette, then it's got a low level indicator l.e.d. If it's not battery powered it's mechanical.

I'd like to see how far this could go, given a few weeks, months, or years. While this forum has been going for literally a year, it's only now getting a few prototypes. I wonder what happens if we turned this into a game/competition.

Thanks for the mental challenge! ^^

I returned to the site, still working on the Hulk costume ( he's 8' tall ) to see how you guys were doing. To be honest ( and this doesn't help my manliness ) seeing the post White Widow made almost *sniff* made me *sniff*... WAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! *sniff snif*

Ok, you guys ge the point. For the first time in what, months? I wanted to start on this again. I still work on the cardboard hulk when my school permits, but I doubt I can squeeze this in, since I also have a weather-based science project needing to be done in November, and what not.
Not that what I say is that important, but I'll say it anyway. Good job, guys! And good luck!

 

[Wadaltmon]

You know what's kind of funny? The web shooter forum was pretty dead. It was alot of talk, and after the drinking flask experiments, there was no progression. Then you (wadaltmon) came on, and suddenly there are two almost prototypes in a few weeks. That's not all either. Now we are talking upgrades, various designs at once, and fluid conceptions. It almost seems like we have a rivalry going on. The fun kind of rivalry. We share all our information, but we are constantly trying to revise past each other.

If it's not building just a functional shooter, it's building a double tap trigger. If it's not building a spinnerette, then it's got a low level indicator l.e.d. If it's not battery powered it's mechanical.

I'd like to see how far this could go, given a few weeks, months, or years. While this forum has been going for literally a year, it's only now getting a few prototypes. I wonder what happens if we turned this into a game/competition.

Thanks for the mental challenge! ^^

I feel the same way, bro! I think by the end of this school year, we could have one almost like PP's original design.
AND THEN WE GO EMBED THEM IN OUR ARMS! Haha, kidding. Though next I'm working on wall-crawling.

 

[Wadaltmon]

The funny part is that I have been following these site threads since the original one (talking about both the shooter and formula) began, I just never joined the site.

 

[White_widow]

Oooooooooooooh. That was you? I'd go on and it would say, "Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (1 members and 1 guests)"

 

[Wadaltmon]

Oooooooooooooh. That was you? I'd go on and it would say, "Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 2 (1 members and 1 guests)"

Probably most of the time, I checked this thread at least thrice a week.

 

[White_widow]

I feel the same way, bro! I think by the end of this school year, we could have one almost like PP's original design.
AND THEN WE GO EMBED THEM IN OUR ARMS! Haha, kidding. Though next I'm working on wall-crawling.

lol. Embeded into our arms? Where'd we put the formula? Oh, we'd turn the lipids in our body into polymers. Hey, that's a way to cure obesity.

 

[White_widow]

As for the actual shooter, let's go back over the ideas.

You need an "I love you" trigger valve, a pressure vessel, and a check valve.

Now the only two things that can change are the trigger valve and pressure valve.

Now the only two valves that work for a trigger are the lever valves and solenoids.

The levers have to desplace a plug that is blocking an exit. The solenoid controls a metal object blocking an exit.

Now the sensitivity of the trigger is all dependent on how much the plug needs to move to allow fluid. Solenoid valves can be designed to allow the fluid's pressure to fight itself making it easier to move the valve. (Plumber tape also helps) The seal should be air tight.

Now as for the pressure vessel, or cartridge, this much is known. You need to put the fluid in before pressurizing it. It's also really hard to pressurize through a check valve. So this means one of three things:

1.)The cartridge must be a one time use only. Once it's sealed it's disposable,
2.) Part of the cartridge is threaded to allow easy fluid tansport.
3.) the check valve is disposable or removable.

I opt to believe in option 2 as it's cheaper for us.

Second topic on cartridges is shape. Round works the best, square is what we are used to seeing. One option is putting two round cartridges in a square container.

Finally, what material to make them out of: We got plastic or metal. Depending on the results of my next test, Plastic may be an easy option. If not, we are going to have to learn how to weld.

So what do you think?

 

[Wadaltmon]

As for the actual shooter, let's go back over the ideas.

...we are going to have to learn how to weld.

So what do you think?

I have welding experience already. Also, I like the cylindrical within square cartridge! Great idea!

 

[White_widow]

That's cool! I hope you like it. ^^ I just don't want everyone else to be stuck though. As for the cylindrical in the square, who came up with that? I think that was ~spideyfan~ or spidey44 or one of the spidey guys. That idea was not mine. I agree that it's a great idea.

 

[White_widow]

So how is the double tap feature coming along.

 

[Wadaltmon]

So how is the double tap feature coming along.

I'm gonna get some help from a retired engineer and my electronics teacher.

 

[White_widow]

That's cool. I heard about something called a 555 timer. It's a logic chip, but that's all I know on the subject.

 

[Wadaltmon]

That's cool. I heard about something called a 555 timer. It's a logic chip, but that's all I know on the subject.

I am using a handful of those.

 

[Ultimate Spider]

Hey Wade, just want to let you know that there kinda is a working glove thing that lets a person climb walls. Just type in "Nicola Pugno spider suit" into google and you should be able to find something that reveals at least a little about it. I know it's kinda advanced science, but hey, look at what we're almost finished developing.

 

[Wadaltmon]

Hey Wade, just want to let you know that there kinda is a working glove thing that lets a person climb walls. Just type in "Nicola Pugno spider suit" into google and you should be able to find something that reveals at least a little about it. I know it's kinda advanced science, but hey, look at what we're almost finished developing.

True, using hydrogen bonds like a gecko could really work for this. You would just have to be able to release it at the correct time. And in the correct amounts.

 

[White_widow]

Ok, so here's my status. Using a couple supplies from around my house and the instamorph, I created a cartridge that can withstand the pressure of about 75- 80psi without expansion. Once it hits that point, it blows past the seal, and renders it ineffective. Still, this thing can hold pressure and about 3 oz of fluid. It's also much more concealable than the other cartridge. Now all I need to do it reinforce the seal and figure out a way to open the valve, and we should be good.

 

[Spectacular23]

Ok, so here's my status. Using a couple supplies from around my house and the instamorph, I created a cartridge that can withstand the pressure of about 75- 80psi without expansion. Once it hits that point, it blows past the seal, and renders it ineffective. Still, this thing can hold pressure and about 3 oz of fluid. It's also much more concealable than the other cartridge. Now all I need to do it reinforce the seal and figure out a way to open the valve, and we should be good.

Good news! t: Also how are you feeling buddy?

 

[hobbitbox]

Hello everyone, I've been following along since my last post (it was a couple months ago...) and I thought I should pop back on. Ok, first off it's quite amazing to see the progress that is being made on the shooters. I made a drawing of the 'crackers and milk' shooter, just to help me make sense of where everything is and how it goes together, as well as to (hopefully) clarify the way everything is wired. (never posted a pic before, so we'll see how this goes)

If that didn't work the image should be here:

http://hobbitbox.deviantart.com/art/Web-shooter-265602723

Ok, as far as I can understand (and please correct me if I'm wrong) the fluid is to be held in a pressurized cartridge (which isn't shown in the pic, cos it's on the other side of the arm, as shown in White_widow's picture) connecting to a nylon T-joint and wraps around to the other side of the arm. They meet at another T-joint which acts as a solenoid valve. A copper wire(the orange line) runs from the negative battery terminal around the left ‘limb’ of the T-joint containing the neodymium magnet in a spiral and then up the arm to the electrode that rests in the palm. A wire then runs from the electrode (which acts as a switch) back up the arm to the positive terminal of the battery.

I apologize if this seemed repetitive, but I have a question: are there 1 or 2 springs in the solenoid valve?

 

[hobbitbox]

Oops.

 

[White_widow]

Welcome aboard mr/ miss hobitbox! I'm very impressed with the picture. It's exactly right. I like how the cuff is made of a dense fabric. That makes it easier to create. I also think that the spinnerette was pretty cool. It reminds me of the RYLO shooter. To answer your question, 2 springs.

 

[White_widow]

Good news! t: Also how are you feeling buddy?

I'm doing much better. Thank you. ^^

 

[Spectacular23]

I've come up with a new idea based on the inspiration of the 2012 reboot web shooters. Remember how i was saying how i really like the shooter use in the 90's TAS show?Well what if we can combine the elements of those shooters and the reboot shooters to make a really cool one. Like have the main part which includes a cartridge and nole of course and build it from there...Or i can just scratch that all and think of the idea of building the shooters i've seen for a long time and they incorporated them back into the comics.

White widow i believed you already started on these type or i think it was the crackers and milk shooters. Are you redoing the web fluid formula or are you going with something slightly different?

 

[White_widow]

For the web fluid, I am going with the original design (aka polystyrene with acetone and contact cement) but I'm going to mix that with something else to give it a kick. As for the "strong formula" we need to wait until manufactureres are selling nanocellulose. That stuff fits the description so well, that the additives only serve to increase the likelihood of it being the right one. Luckily, I don't think we have to wait long. There is a factory in Canada that makes nanocellulose, for company use. It's not going to be too long until they will start selling it. (I mean they're selling graphene for pete(r parker)'s sake!)