Comics Were 90's X-men comics so bad?

[Be Snikt-Happy]

well tbh, many of the ppl who bash the 90s these days are kids or reviewers who take themselves way too seriously. people who try to stay "current" tend to bash the 90s and anything related to it.

 

[OutcryX]

is was the greatest period for x-men comic up until the twelve storyline. that was the worst written and worst story of the x-men. everything from x-men #1, executioners song, fatal attractions, legionquest, AoA, onslaught, Operation zero tolerance, where iceman was at his best, all that was the best. the best artists that graced those books with joe mad, andy kubert, and carlos pacheco. nicienza and lobdell were on the money on almost every issue. then the twleve story came along and then the movie came out soon after. then they tried to make the x-men look more realistic with those barf black leather goth costumes. 90's were the best for x-men comics. i wish they can bottle up that magic again. apocalypse was so badass. this decade belongs to the avengers. the new avengers is imo, the best team book out there.

with you all the way there buddy

oh yeah, you forgot Phalanx Covenant

 

[OutcryX]

Yeah, i'm glad Claremont isn't writing an x-men book anymore. He did do classic stuff but his return in the early 2000's was pretty horrific. Between that terrible new Thunderbird(who somehow managed to steal Betsy away from Warren. ick) and those bad overly complicated looking costumes, not to mention dull stories, it was a rotten time to be reading the x-books. Art wasn't bad though.

Still disagree about OZT though. I thought Reyes, Maggot, and Marrow were all unworthy of being X-men and to this day, I find Iceman to be the most overated X-man. I like Bobby as a team player but by himself he's not very interesting to me.

OZT was badass...i loved what Lobdell was doing, stripping the X-men down to the core....and at first i had reservations about the newbies too, but i fell in love with them all...even marrow...ugly marrow though...not alan davis prettified marrow

 

[Jake Cassidy]

well tbh, many of the ppl who bash the 90s these days are kids or reviewers who take themselves way too seriously. people who try to stay "current" tend to bash the 90s and anything related to it.

The 90's were awesome. Comics were better. Movies were better. Music was better. Ahh, the good old days. t:

 

[Be Snikt-Happy]

ha yeah. some things are just silly or cheesy now.. but the 90s allowed for us to get away with some cool but quirky things in the movies. now in the 2000s everyones trying to be a wannabe hard ass and everything has to take itself so seriously.

 

[Darthkush]

I also think that there's a large contingent of older x-men fans(in their 30's) who think that everything post dark phoenix sucks. I'm 26 so 90's x-men was my x-men but does that make me and others my age wrong? Honestly, I think the older anti 90's fans were just being closeminded about the new stuff. There are people my age who hate all the 00's stuff and although I don't like it as much, there's still some good there.

 

[OutcryX]

because they are all die hard Claremont d_ckriders.

 

[chamber-music]

Darthkush...i am with you 100% buddy. with EVERYTHING you said

Me too really didn't care for Morrisons New X-Men run

 

[The Englishman]

Ive got to love the 90's because thats when i first got into the X-Men with X-Men issue 1. I loved the team roster at the time with the Gold and Blue teams and all the great crossovers like X-Cutioners Song, Fatal Attractions, The Phalanx Covernant, Age of Apocalypse, Onslaught and OZT. I stopped reading the books after the OZT arch and didnt start again until Morrisons run. I loved Lobdell (who wrote my favorite X-Man, Iceman with great respect) and Nicieza was great on the other book. The Art was great ranging from Jim Lee, The Kuberts and Joe Mad. Great times....

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I want 4 X-Men books. 1 by Lobdell, 1 by Nicieza, 1 by Kelly and 1 by Seagle.

I can dream, can't I? t:

 

[OutcryX]

that, my friend is an X-cellent dream

 

[TwilightPro101]

Can't say I ever had any issue with the 90's X-Men titles. There were bad moments, but every decade has those at one point or another.

Still love the whole Age of Apocalypse titles and how they handled the crossover in general.

 

[roach]

because they are all die hard Claremont d_ckriders.

hey now I am a fan of the man...afterall he gave us 17 years of Xmen goodness.Sure his new stuff is not that good but respect is due

 

[Banshee]

Generation X was damn awesome.

 

[OutcryX]

hey now I am a fan of the man...afterall he gave us 17 years of Xmen goodness.Sure his new stuff is not that good but respect is due

i cant say that i am a fan of his..even back when he was 'good'...he writes the same now as he did then...melodramatic, overly descriptive, as if he were writing a novel instead of a comic. The times have changed though..and he is a stalwart. he may have been offering something different from other comics then that appealed to the readers, but now it comes off as flat and downright uninteresting.

i do like a few of his character creations though. het gets props. but it only goes so far

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I'm not a huge Claremont fan, but I do respect him. Let's face it, the X-Men franchise wouldn't be where it is today if it wasn't for him.

My favourite writer is Lobdell. IMO, he is the best X-Men writer ever. Nicieza is a very close second. t:

 

[ParaParaJMo]

X-Tinction Agenda, Onslaught, X-Cutioner's Song, Legion Quest, Age of Apocalypse, Fatal Attractions

Where can you go wrong with this era of X-Men?

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I think the lineup of X-Titles were the best:

Uncanny X-Men
X-Men
X-Factor
X-Force
Excalibur
Wolverine
Cable
Generation X
X-Man

 

[roach]

i cant say that i am a fan of his..even back when he was 'good'...he writes the same now as he did then...melodramatic, overly descriptive, as if he were writing a novel instead of a comic. The times have changed though..and he is a stalwart. he may have been offering something different from other comics then that appealed to the readers, but now it comes off as flat and downright uninteresting.

i do like a few of his character creations though. het gets props. but it only goes so far

thats what I said. His old stuff isnt as descriptive as his new stuff. Im currently re reading from Giant size Xmen and the ideas that he had. It was under his pen that X-men had a lock on the number one spot in comics...hell the launch of X-men with Jim Lee still is the highest selling comic

 

[OutcryX]

i own three copies of X-Men#1 and a few issues of Uncanny before that.. the issues where Jean is shot by a sentinel, emma is killed and bishop is introduced(LOVED THAT ART).

but i didnt officially come on to x-men hardcore until after claremont was gone. therefore i just dont have that old school nostalgic sentiment when it comes to him as others do...now Lobdell and Nicieza, gimme more of that please. with a little Seagle and Kelly on the side...Alan Davis can go suck on dead, rotting skunk eggs tho

oh and i'd like to think the epic artwork done by Jim Lee factored MAJORLY into X-Men's success

 

[roach]

i own three copies of X-Men#1 and a few issues of Uncanny before that.. the issues where Jean is shot by a sentinel, emma is killed and bishop is introduced(LOVED THAT ART).

but i didnt officially come on to x-men hardcore until after claremont was gone. therefore i just dont have that old school nostalgic sentiment when it comes to him as others do...now Lobdell and Nicieza, gimme more of that please. with a little Seagle and Kelly on the side...Alan Davis can go suck on dead, rotting skunk eggs tho

oh and i'd like to think the epic artwork done by Jim Lee factored MAJORLY into X-Men's success

Im currently rereading the Essentials and loving it. Currently Im on the M'Kraan crystal saga.
While I do attribute part of the sucess to Jim Lee's art, i put the majority on CC. At the time that Xmen number one came out The Xbooks were the number one selling book month in month out for 16-15 years

 

[Havok83]

Claremont definetly did have a habit of being a bit too wordy with his descriptions. One thing that always bugged me after he made Betsy asian was how in every single issue he had to tell us that her psy blade was the total focus of her TP. It was utterly ridiculous how Psylocke would always bust out saying so as she is fighting someone. Just take a look at this















And when he returned almost 10 years later he started that crap up again with her TK katana

 

[roach]

well back in the days before trades the standing rule was every issue was someones first issue. Without that explaination someone just buying the book for the first time wouldnt know what was happening. If you look at the scene where she is standing over the magistrate it could be conscrued that Psylocke killed her.
However I do agree that he is wordy but one of the biggest complains in the hayday of the Xmen was that it wasnt new reader friendly and so the excessive descriptions were put in.

 

[Havok83]

well back in the days before trades the standing rule was every issue was someones first issue. Without that explaination someone just buying the book for the first time wouldnt know what was happening. If you look at the scene where she is standing over the magistrate it could be conscrued that Psylocke killed her.
However I do agree that he is wordy but one of the biggest complains in the hayday of the Xmen was that it wasnt new reader friendly and so the excessive descriptions were put in.

That doesnt explain why he started doing it again post-2000 when he got a chance to write for her again

 

[OutcryX]

ok the psylocke montage was hilarious