What did you think about Morrison's run?

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  1. javi1024 DANGER ZONE!

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    i just finished reading morrison's New X-Men for the first time, so i was curious what everybody else thought of it at the time. im not gonna lie and say it wasnt good, but i liked it and hated it at the same time. we have 3 of my favorite x-men (Cyke, Jean, Logan) in a book and 75% of the time theyre just talking about stuff like how much cyclops has changed since he was freed from en sabah nur. i mean im all for characterization and getting into their heads (i think he did a great job doing it), but it bothered me how these great heroes were reduced to just teachers. plus i hated that he broke up scott and jean (though whedon has been doing great stuff with scott and emma).
     
  2. Harlekin Business

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    I liked all of the ideas and the characterization that's come from it, but for most of the stories, I didn't really care about the execution. I'd say Morrison's run ages like a fine wine though. I've come to appreciate more and more over time.
     
  3. insane polaris Registered

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    I loved the team's line up. and i loved how jean was written... specially the issues where she protects the students when Sublimes (i think) men come to the mansion, and when bishop is asking her about emma being shot.

    Jean should return as headmistress... how cool would it be now that cyclops has disbanded the x-men, that Jean comes back and reopens the it.
     
  4. mightiest_mortal Much Mightier than thou!

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    Morrisons run was awesome.
    The thing to remember is that before it, X-Men had become soo stagnant and boring and repeptitive. Morrison shook it up completely.
    (and i loved Xorn as Magneto) If you re read them there are so many hints. Even when he first comes to aid the X-Men from the shiar he says something like "its all collapsing around me like a dream".
     
  5. Valechan Registered

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    It was the only time inf 13 years that I stopped buying X-Men comics :D That should tell you how much I've disliked it :D
     
  6. Havok83 Registered

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    He's the one that royally screwed Jean fans over :cmad:
     
  7. BMM Registered

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    No kidding. By the very late 90s, I pretty much quit reading X-Men. Morrison's run was different to say the least. I can't say I enjoyed all of it, but I appreciate what he was trying to do--make the X-Men interesting again.
     
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    this is sadly true..98 and 99 were bad years for x-men..especially with alan davis's run doing both writing and art...that **** sucked...and to think he got to write The Twelve storyline
     
  9. Harlekin Business

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    I wouldn't say the X-Men comics were bad per se, but they definitely needed a shake-up.
     
  10. javi1024 DANGER ZONE!

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    so for those who liked what Morrison did, what did you guys think about the new Uncanny team (Nightcrawler, Archangel, Stacy X, Husk, etc.)? thats when i started reading X-Men regularly (right after X2- when they find mutants crucified and Polaris goes crazy) and at the time i thought they were enjoyable, but looking back (and reading other stories) i think theyre pretty weak. what did you guys think?
     
  11. Czar Colossus Registered

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    The absence of Colossus left me wanting and the leather jacket look made Wolverine look like a reject from the Village People (perhaps it's best that Peter did miss that). It was a really low point in X-history for me.:csad:
     
  12. Havok83 Registered

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    The Uncanny X-men team under Casey absolutely sucked. Archangel, Iceman, Wolverine, Nightcrawler, Chamber and Stacy X? For too long it was just men and when they added a female, it was the worst X-man ever. The team got much better when Austen took over since they got rid of her and Chamber. He added Jugs, Northstar, Husk, Jubilee, Husk and Havok. Too bad the writing sucked. His team was WAY too big. He didnt even have room to focus on them all which is why we saw characters like Northstar and Jubilee pushed to the side, not doing much

    Out of the three books at the time, Morrison's New X-men was the best by far. The main thing that sucked with it was that the artwork was too inconsistent. They kept changing artists with different arcs. Some were great like Van Schiver, Quietly and Jiminez, but others downright sucked like Kordey
     
  13. javi1024 DANGER ZONE!

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    honestly the only person i liked was jimenez. i wish he was the dominant artist. Van Schiver....the first of his stuff that i saw was Superman/Batman and i didnt like it, but i appreciated it after the next artist took over. same went for his stuff in X-Men. hes definitley better than Kordey and Quietly. and then Bachalo.....i HATE Bachalos work. i look at his stuff and i honestly cannot tell what im looking at half the time. like the ending for Messiah Complex- i found out from someone on the the boards AFTER i read the book that bishop got his arm bitten off by predator x. his stuff is way too busy.
     
  14. Harlekin Business

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    Ah, Uncanny. I'll be honest. Much like Morrison's run, I did not care for it initially. I liked the characterization, but I was just going 'wtf?' when it came to plots. I was jonesing for some good old fashioned superheroics, and Casey wasn't delivering on that. Liked the team well enough, and just like with Morrison, I've come to appreciate his run a lot more since the time it originally came out.

    As for Austen, eh. I loved his first year. That was some good old X-Men stuff. Fun, if a little flaky at times. Holy War messed everything up, of course. Couldn't stand to read the title after the broken wedding of Havok and Polaris. Coincidentally, that was just around the time I was starting to see just what Morrison was doing with the X-Men, and I was starting to like it.
     
  15. mightiest_mortal Much Mightier than thou!

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    That was why I actually quite liked some of Caseys work. A lot covered old ground but there were some strangely unique aspects that showed promise. The resolution to the whole Vanisher storyline was so crazy and un-superhero-like that it really worked. Caseys team was very different and unique.
    I think changing the artist every issue though (or even four times during the same issue) detracted so much from the readability of the run that it made it difficult to read at best and let down the run.
     
  16. usagicassidy Registered

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    I actually found myself liking Casey's and Austen's runs for the most part. I just pretend that the Draco didn't happen, and Austen's reads like a good soap opera...like Degrassi - it has some great moments and it's engaging, but in the end, it's still a soap opera.

    For Morrison - I loved the entire run. It's actually what got me back into comics after I'd given up with the late 90's, and then when Claremont came back and "Revolutionized" I REALLY gave it up. I walked by the comics rack, saw the issue with Jean and Emma on the cover, and thought, "what the heck, I might as well pick it up and look at it," and I was COMPLETELY engaged. And this was in the middle of Morrison's story. I immediately picked up every back issue, and eagerly waited for the next.

    My only complaint - Kordy's art. I just keep mulling over how AMAZING the Shi'ar in the x-mansion arc could've been. It was good, the writing was great, but the art just made it that much worse.
     
  17. Sieben Ultimate Avenger

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    I'm just getting into Morrisons books and i really like them. I've been reading Alan Davis Uncanny Omnibus TPB too and thought whilst the writing was good, the line-up sucked. Morrisons is far more interesting and being completely cold on the Jean character... Morrisons direction is all the more appealing :D
     
  18. BoredGuy Never Did a Popular Thing

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    I hated the art on New X-men, as it seems many people did, and the Xorn storyline confused the hell outta me... but I do enjoy the things that came from his run and the new direction they took everything to get away from the late 90's.... outside of Jean gettin offed again, of course

    sidenote: Oh and to people who b****ed about X3 and the Jean/Logan relationship, i think Morrison's run had quite a bit of their love for each other in it, didn't it?
     
  19. mightiest_mortal Much Mightier than thou!

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    I think that that was the least of the problems that X3 had.
     
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    I thought Morrison's run was the most innovative and exciting vision of the X-men since Claremont took over. He validated the X-Men in the modern world in a way no other writer has. From Kick, to the huge young mutant population ALL OVER THE WORLD(a nice mix of peoples), X-Corporation was perhaps the greatest zenith of Xavier's mansion idea, Cerebra, Cassandra Nova, his version of the Shi'ar, the silent issue in Xavier's mind, all these things and more showed Morrison's ability to mature the concept of X-Men in a way no other writer ever has.

    Whedon's Astonishing is his version of the Claremont/Byrne golden era, as is pretty much every other X-writer, from Lobdell(who really just glided on what Claremont had set up, nothing innovative, save perhaps his mildly amusing Generation X(at least the first few arcs...), to Alan Davis(though, in his way, at least his run was enjoyable, if not contrived) and everyone in between.

    I think its truely horrible that the x-editors messed with Morrison in his final arcs(Jean's death, per example), and then went about erasing all the innovations his run accomplished(mutant pop culture, X-Corporation, student body of hundreds, etc), with of course M-Day effectively destroying the concepts of humans actually being the endangered species with an expiration date of a handful of generations and mutants actually surplanting as the dominent species in droves of the millions.

    My only wishes of his run were that he's incorperated Storm into the saga(I would love to see his vision of her, beyond that Genosha issue), and that Xorn had not been Magneto, but rather stayed on as a very powerful, very Zen, Chinese X-Man, which there never has been(save perhaps Jubilee), and considering that's the most populous country in the world, one would imagine there would be a lot of Chinese mutants doing their thing(Indian too, for that matter, there's Thunderbird and ?)...
     
  21. Havok83 Registered

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    woah I wouldnt quite say X-corporation was Morrison's innovation. Casey started that first with X-corp. All Morrison did was expand upon the idea that he threw out there. And ending it had its purpose and was necesary. Marvel wanted to introduce new mutant team books (or rather new versions of old ones) and it wouldnt make much sense having them with X-corporation all over the world
     
  22. Hyperion1320 Registered

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    No, X-Corps was like a militant extremist group, hence Corps, like the Marine Corps. X-Corporation was an international corporation with centers all over the world. All a mutant needed to do was 'think X' and trained X-Men(-Forcers, Gen X'ers, etc) would come to your rescue, offering all the resources of a multi-national corporation for mutants only. Instead of Xavier's mansion being the only game in town, he effectively made a global franchise. That was Morrison's gem, no connection at all really to X-Corp. And you yourself said it: the X-editors ditched this innovation in order to re-hash old stories/concepts.
     
  23. Valechan Registered

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    Morrison didn't invent kick he just copied Claremont's "rave" drug which debuted long before his run...
     
  24. Harlekin Business

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    But Morrison did entirely different things with Kick than what Claremont did with Rave.
     
  25. DarthCyclopsRLZ Registered

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    Good run.

    Highlights were sadly enough right at the beginning, but good and rather imaginative stuff overall.
     

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