Jessica Jones What didn't you like about Jessica Jones season one? (SPOILERS)

[SomeOldGuy]

How quickly Trish hops into the sack with Simpson was way too jarring for me. Seemed like just an excuse for more (bad) sex scenes. And I agree that Simpson just happening to be a former member of some secret super soldier program was tough to swallow too.

Why Cage's wife has a drive with all these child experiment videos is never explained, or if it was I missed it.

The whole plot line of capturing Killgrave and then getting some kind of video evidence of his power seemed goofy to me. He certainly wasn't going to cooperate and I doubt anything you got from a guy you've illegally locked up and tortured with electric shocks would be admissible anyhow.

 

[Dr.]

The whole plot line of capturing Killgrave and then getting some kind of video evidence of his power seemed goofy to me. He certainly wasn't going to cooperate and I doubt anything you got from a guy you've illegally locked up and tortured with electric shocks would be admissible anyhow.

I interpreted Kilgrave’s incarceration and torture as a dramatic conceit and catharsis. Clearly, Jessica isn’t being totally rational. On the one hand, she’s punishing her abuser. On the other, she believes that a confession by Kilgrave would exorcise her personal guilt - show that neither she nor Hope were truly responsible for their actions.

Moreover, the “legal realities” are addressed when Hogarth arrives and pronounces the entire scheme inadmissible.

 

[Sundancer]

Why Cage's wife has a drive with all these child experiment videos is never explained, or if it was I missed it.
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Somehow I got the impression that she worked at a hospital or institution where they were taking place


I don't like the ambiguity with how Jessica can no longer be controlled by Kilgrave or how his powers work through a PA system.

Robin annoyed me but I did feel bad for her when she admitted that no one liked her, they liked her brother.

 

[Mr.T]

Simpson's role & storyline could've been left out completely and we would've never noticed it.

 

[metaphysician]

Cage's wife was investigating people trying to create superpowers, to help Luke. Evidence about Killgrave just happened to be one of many she ran across.

 

[hellblazer103]

you know , here's a problem i have with this show : this is a world and a city where a giant green monster and a norse god fought aliens and ****ed up the whole city and you're telling me all these little dip****s can't suspend their disbelief in ****ing MIND CONTROL ?!?!?! **** outta here...


i also feel like i'm gonna miss kilgrave . i figured they were setting him up to be the main villain of the series, not setting him up to be killed in the very first season. it's like when batman killed the joker in batman 89.

 

[SelinaKitten]

I think it's that people don't want to believe in mind control

Willful ignorance rather than genuine disbelief

 

[Venom]

I didn't like that Luke Cage was nerfed to be unable to withstand a shotgun blast.

It's also quite inconsistent within the show, because his skin is able to withstand powerdrills, while a shotgun has relatively low penetrative ability. He could also survive a gas explosion unscratched

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Was it nerfing, really? It's the MCU... Power levels have been adjusted all over the map. Thor is certainly not the pure physical bruiser tank he is in the comics, but Cap has had a very big power boost to definite super human levels of strength and speed. Luke seems to not quite be the tons lifting "power man" of the comics, but then again, I don't see Stark in the armor successfully lifting 75 tons either. Netflix Luke took a shotgun blast at a concentrated spot AT POINT BLANK RANGE... And he still lived, though he needed medical assistance. That's, like, crazy tough by any measure.

It's been 15 plus years since the start of this golden age of super hero films... Have we yet to grasp that exact recreation of the comic books is NOT the primary goal of the creators by now?



As for my own problems with the show... I will agree that there was some slight inconsistency with power levels, thought there also was a lot of rationale in some circumstances, Jessica being injured quite a bit for one. That was a minor one.

I found it interesting that there was a period watching where, while I didn't think the characters or stories connected to them were bad, or badly done, I was wondering where it was going or why we were spending time on them, only to have a good payoff for almost all the elements I had misgivings about.


But there also was some unclear stuff at the start of the show, there was the way too twee and precious "off kilter" twin neighbors that, beyond just being annoying, her more so than her strange brother, but above all... I just wasn't entertained or engaged by them at all. That's worse than being annoyed for something like this. They weren't engaging enough to care, and even if they were... They were not likable. They were just weird for the sake of weird.

I can't say that the Simpson character was bad, per se, or the actor was bad but... It was a tad convenient that [BLACKOUT]it just so happened that he had a connection to Jones' accident and powers. Whether that was for another season to be woven into the next Netflix show, like Cage or DD season two, while it's understandable, it felt MEGA coincidental.[/BLACKOUT]

On a minor note... I liked Trish but... I don't know, I think there may have been too much of her. Now, given the way they stressed Jessica's relationship with her I think maybe I am judging too harshly. She was a HUGE part of the finale, in terms of how much she meant to Jessica. Still... Sometimes it just felt very forced with her character. That said... The actress was far from bad, and the dialog and scenes with Jessica sold their relationship. For the most part the character worked and my misgivings were largely turned on their ear by the time of the last two episodes.

There are minor quibbles about use of powers or how they could have taken some time to establish JJ's more day to day life as a P.I. ect., but like I wrote... Those are minor. Overall the show worked like gangbusters for me. Sad to see it's not quite getting the love on the Hype that DD did, seeing as I thought this finished stronger and more satisfying for myself than DD did.

 

[Quasimod0]

I didn't like

-The pacing of the mid-season playing house stuff
-Jessica made some really dumb decisions that led to bad stuff happening, which was annoying but I guess it isn't really a problem, since she isn't a perfect person.
-The sex scenes felt excessive to me.
-The Jeryn subplot was uninteresting
-Robyn (nuff said)
-Sometimes Kilgrave came off as too sympathetic, or something. I mean clearly he was an evil man, but something about mind control just didn't hit me in the same way that seeing Kingpin crush a man's head with a door did.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I actually felt the opposite. I think that the show really showed how almost inherently corrupting mind control as a power would be. It's funny so many say Kilgrave sometimes was sympathetic. His origin was sympathetic, sure, but... I wasn't excusing his actions asa an adult, severely horrific acts, just cause mommy and daddy left him. He was understandable, he was well defined in his selfishness, but I think if he was sympathetic it came down to Tennant as a screen presence more than the writing of the show itself.

 

[Quasimod0]

Yeah maybe that's what it is. I've never seen him in anything else, but I didn't totally buy him as a super evil guy in this. I think sympathetic is the wrong word to use, because his character was certainly evil. I just didn't always get that sense of disgust towards his character like I get with other villains. Maybe it was because of his hands-off approach to villainy. I can't quite put my finger on it.

 

[Dr.]

Re: impatience with subplots and minor characters

Is this more apparent with so-called binge watching? For a conventional weekly series, we tend to pace ourselves differently: we accommodate a variety of “mythology episodes,” stand-alone/filler episodes and several subplots (that don’t necessarily serve the main arc but which embellish and flesh-out the fictional world). But in the binge watching scenario, it’s like we’re sitting through an extra-long movie. Thus, we’re more focused on the central story and, therefore, more critical of narrative detours and embellishments.

I guess my question is this: do people have different impressions on “pacing issues” depending on whether they binge or space out their viewing? Or do those “issues” exist no matter how you watch?

 

[SomeOldGuy]

I guess my question is this: do people have different impressions on “pacing issues” depending on whether they binge or space out their viewing? Or do those “issues” exist no matter how you watch?

Interesting question. I did watch it at a run, so it's quite possible many of "come on,get on with it already" moments were a result of that. OTOH I can remember having some of the same frustrations watching Babylon 5 back during its initial run. It was such a bummer to wait a week in hopes that they would move the grand story arc along, only to see another cul-de-sac episode appear.

It might just be a factor of structuring a show to have a multi-episode or multi-season story arc. It's challenging to mix that with an episodic format successfully.

 

[summerteeth]

I actually felt the opposite. I think that the show really showed how almost inherently corrupting mind control as a power would be. It's funny so many say Kilgrave sometimes was sympathetic. His origin was sympathetic, sure, but... I wasn't excusing his actions asa an adult, severely horrific acts, just cause mommy and daddy left him. He was understandable, he was well defined in his selfishness, but I think if he was sympathetic it came down to Tennant as a screen presence more than the writing of the show itself.

I think I was the writinv. We actually saw a fully developed character as a villain. We got to understand why he does what he does and how h email became the monster he became. He's not some mustache twirling villain or evil corporatist that we are used to seeing.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

See, did that translate into actual sympathy though? Sure, I felt bad for him as a child but other than that, no, he was delusional scum to me.

 

[gdw]

I didn't like that Luke Cage was nerfed to be unable to withstand a shotgun blast.

It's also quite inconsistent within the show, because his skin is able to withstand powerdrills, while a shotgun has relatively low penetrative ability. He could also survive a gas explosion unscratched

I don't think that was Nerfing him at all.

First off, it was a shot gun blast to the face, and as up close and personal as possible. It has absolutely nothing to do with penetrative ability, and is entirely about concussive force.
The blast was enough force to rattle his brain. The damage was, obviously, entirely internal.

 

[gdw]

I had no problems with the side characters, or how they were handled. Read that criticism from an early review, so I was prepared to be let down, but instead was very satisfied in the end, in this regards.

Also had no problem with the sex scenes. I found thematically important, and always felt like they served a purpose, and never felt gratuitous.
Loved how they were shot as well. Never felt like a "love scene," but rather always shot as was appropriate to the context and purpose.

The action on the other hand, I was often quite let down by, especially after Daredevil.
Of course I wasn't expecting anything similar in terms of fight choreography, just from the differences in the characters alone, obviously, but was still disappointed.

Perhaps it was Krysten Ritter though, as I never found her acting believable in the action moments. Everything else, I found her pitch perfect, but much less so when things would get really physical. Especially if she was talking during it.

Over all though, I absolutely LOVED the series. The last episode though, was the most disappointing of all of them.
Didn't mind how how things end/where they leave Jessica, her neighbour/new employee, Trish, Cage, etc, but everything else in the last episode was just so anti-climactic.

Didn't help that they teased us with the notion of calling in DD, and they even had those teasers online with her holding a Nelson and Murdock card. I thought, for sure, they were going to either kill Hogarth, or have her do what she eventually does/tries to with Killgrave, and that be irredeemable to Jessica, and Hope, and then they'd need a new Lawyer for Hope.
That would introduce Murdock for the last 2-3 episodes maybe, and then eventually he gets pulled in as DD at some point in the last episode.

Even without that though, they sure as hell could have come up with a better resolution that was more than just one long, and barely suspenseful, 'will he be able to control her' set up, ended with a quick 'nope,' 'snap.'


Lastly, though I love Tennant, and, for the most part loved him in the role, I found far too often he was pulling his Doctor mannerisms and quirks into the roll.
Some of them worked, but others would just pull me right out of the show. He may as well have yelled "allons-y!"

 

[Sleiek]

Just started watching the show. 3 Eps complete so far.

Damn, she has a lot of sex, doesn't she? Does she keep doing it the whole season?

I want to know because I watch this on my family TV so it is freaking awkward.

 

[I Am The Knight]

Just started watching the show. 3 Eps complete so far.

Damn, she has a lot of sex, doesn't she? Does she keep doing it the whole season?

I want to know because I watch this on my family TV so it is freaking awkward.

There is a bit more sex later on. This isn't really a family friendly show.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Theres as much sex in this show as violence in Daredevil.

I think it's cool. Stuff we'd never see in the movies.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Still not done with the season, but I really dislike the numerous sex scenes (we get it, people are in love), and the abortion plotline is pretty bad so far - it kinda makes Jessica and Hope look like jerks.

 

[the last son]

Jerks. Having a rapist baby?

 

[Vincanws]

I wasn't keen on the unhinged neighbour lady Robyn with the unhealthy obsession over her brother.

I thought the ending was a little anti-climatic and would have liked to see Kilgrave 'transform' a little more shall we say.

I didn't feel Jessica's character had moved on enough by the end.

 

[Batsfan1]

I didn't really like the last 4 episodes. They captured Kilgrave and he got away too many times. The first time was fine because it wasn't because someone made a bad decision. The second was acceptable because it was the first time he got away because someone made a bad decision. The third time was just out there and pulled out of nowhere. A single rant from a girl who should have no idea who these people are or what all they went through is all it takes to turn them into a lynch mob? Then she attacks Jessica despite knowing that she isn't the one who did it and she's the one who finds Kilgrave? It's pretty contrived. Simpson suddenly becoming a bad guy came out of nowhere. Kilgrave went from an interesting villain into a petulant annoying child. I was just annoyed with every scene he was in. It just sort of fell apart. I just kinda felt empty when it ended. There was nothing to really grab my interest at the end.

God bless you all! God bless everyone!