What do they mean 'X3 has no heart'??

[all_empty]

Well, Leonard Maltin of ET was sitting a few rows in front of me, so I'm interested in hearing what he says.

Nothing about the film was particularly subtle, which is fine for a flash-bang action movie. Different directors, different styles.

And yes, FX technology has gone leaps and bounds since the first X-Men, but it doesn't mean it was used well in this movie. I thought the FX were adequate; the people I viewed it with (all Hollywood movie types) said they were sub-par.

 

[X-Maniac]

The film is no where near as bad as Batman & Robin....but it had the potential to be it. It has some terrible one-liners, and some of the actor's are not that great. (Halle Berry...she keeps altering the Storm character - which she intended to - but she has re-incarnated her as "Roro- the tough chick ya'll knew from the Bronx")

It will have mediocre reviews, because most reviewers agree that it has the same level of character development as X-men 1. Except that this movie's centrepiece is a tormented character and her teammates....

With a name like 'crappymovie', your opinion is not going to seem very objective or intelligent...

However, aren't you glad Storm has been reinvented? She was so insubstantial in X1 and so ill-defined in X2 that it's about time we got some true Storm!

 

[crappymovie]

Well, that's one person's opinion, besides, Storm was born in New York, wasn't she!!!

I don't know a lot about Storm's history, so I take that back. I just imagined her as a reserved, regal type, who still had a strong presence. In this movie, Storm was just a whiny sistah who was a little....overdramatic. there was actually laughter when she delivered some of her lines (The "Nothins wrong wit us..." line got a few chuckles, and even a WTF from a fan in the first row) She also seemed to be slightly schizophrenic, because her moods changed every few seconds...it was poor acting.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't know a lot about Storm's history, so I take that back. I just imagined her as a reserved, regal type, who still had a strong presence. In this movie, Storm was just a whiny sistah who was a little....overdramatic. there was actually laughter when she delivered some of her lines (The "Nothins wrong wit us..." line got a few chuckles, and even a WTF from a fan in the first row) She also seemed to be slightly schizophrenic, because her moods changed every few seconds...it was poor acting.

She doesn't say it like that! She says 'Nothing's wrong with any of us for that matter'. There is no Bronx, no sistah. Nothing like that. Are you on drugs?

 

[crappymovie]

With a name like 'crappymovie', your opinion is not going to seem very objective or intelligent...

However, aren't you glad Storm has been reinvented? She was so insubstantial in X1 and so ill-defined in X2 that it's about time we got some true Storm!

Actually crappymovie is my name from the Fantastic Four forum, after I wanted to comment on it when I got the DVD (a fan has suggested it.)

 

[Frico]

why isnt he a true x-fan if he dosent go to see the movie?

You should really be asking yourself that, considering you're not going to see the film or "give FOX your money." Yet you still post on this board, and I bet you'll see it anyway.

 

[crappymovie]

And I think instead of any sort of criticism of the movie, I will give you what you wanted from this thread:

"This film has so much heart. The love story of Jean and Logan was beautiful. The deaths were so poignant, and all the characters grieved so beautifully. The film has so much emotional depth, the milisecond between scenes had such resonance. All critics are idiots, they did not see the Oscar-winning masterpiece I saw."

 

[The Batman]

Sure I'll see it. Just not in theaters.

 

[Frico]

.......

 

[The Batman]

I said i wont give fox my money. never said i wouldnt see this film ever.

 

[X-Maniac]

Actually crappymovie is my name from the Fantastic Four forum, after I wanted to comment on it when I got the DVD (a fan has suggested it.)

But it's interesting how blinded you are by your fanboy shroud. Have you read any reviews? Have you noticed any consistent points? And why do you insist on disregarding all of the negative comments submitted by REVIEWERS, only to keep expressing how amazing you think this movie is.

And I was excited that Halle was re-inventing the character. But since she was talking about how much she wanted to be true to the character, I expected something different. But I'm starting to think that she interpreted the character as Storm= fly, whcih would follow the rest of the shallow thoughts of the movie.

So next time I watch the movie, I will lower my expectations to yours, a level of dillusion.

But not all reviews are negative. And it depends on the perpective of the reviewer. You'd see it differently if you were pro-Singer than if you were anti-Singer, or pro-Ratner rather than anti-Ratner, or anti-Fox. You'd see it differently if you were a non-comicbook fan who didn't know the Phoenix saga. It all depends what kind of person you are.

I have no problem with people saying they felt it had no heart, I wanted to know why they felt that. I've never said the movie is amazing - so where in the hell are you getting that? I haven't even seen it yet!

What i am saying is that i am willing to go along and see how it works as a movie, regardless of the anger on here over Cyclops and regardless of reviews who might make me see things i wouldn't see otherwise. I found it hard to see where there was 'no heart' in such an emotional story.. maybe it doesn't play out that way if it moves fast between action sequences?

But I will be pleased to be seeing Storm, Magneto and Beast, and Phoenix, and the battle scenes.

I think many of the reviewers are probably going into the movie with the preconception that Bryan Singer isn't involved (therefore, in their minds is 'change of director, change of style, things have changed...) and also conveniently forgetting that this is the climactic third part to a trilogy where events move quickly to a climax. Not everything I've seen or read is what I would have wanted - I have criticised several aspects.

It's quite heartening that many reviewers are seeing this as an adult drama movie, such is the calibre of this franchise. But at the same time, this movie is always going to fail in that category because of its comicbook superhero origins which always make it more lightweight to many people. One reviewer said the first movies were full of 'wink-wink tongue in cheek' humour - which they totally weren't..but that's his perception of superhero movies. Another scoffed about Jean Grey rising from the grave. They can't perceive these movies as serious -- and thus X-Men is always going to NOT live up to expectations when viewed that way. Critics see it as trying to be something it isn't.... They don't see it as a comicbook adaptation.

 

[cyke93]

What do they mean 'X3 has no heart'??


Go here:
http://www.superherohype.com/forums/showthread.php?t=193444
and then you'll know why they would say that. Warning though, it may take some time to read through it, but you'll get the idea.

 

[tonytr1687]

But not all reviews are negative. And it depends on the perpective of the reviewer. You'd see it differently if you were pro-Singer than if you were anti-Singer, or pro-Ratner rather than anti-Ratner, or anti-Fox. You'd see it differently if you were a non-comicbook fan who didn't know the Phoenix saga. It all depends what kind of person you are.

I have no problem with people saying they felt it had no heart, I wanted to know why they felt that. I've never said the movie is amazing - so where in the hell are you getting that? I haven't even seen it yet!

What i am saying is that i am willing to go along and see how it works as a movie, regardless of the anger on here over Cyclops and regardless of reviews who might make me see things i wouldn't see otherwise. I found it hard to see where there was 'no heart' in such an emotional story.. maybe it doesn't play out that way if it moves fast between action sequences?

But I will be pleased to be seeing Storm, Magneto and Beast, and Phoenix, and the battle scenes.

I think many of the reviewers are probably going into the movie with the preconception that Bryan Singer isn't involved (therefore, in their minds is 'change of director, change of style, things have changed...) and also conveniently forgetting that this is the climactic third part to a trilogy where events move quickly to a climax. Not everything I've seen or read is what I would have wanted - I have criticised several aspects.

It's quite heartening that many reviewers are seeing this as an adult drama movie, such is the calibre of this franchise. But at the same time, this movie is always going to fail in that category because of its comicbook superhero origins which always make it more lightweight to many people. One reviewer said the first movies were full of 'wink-wink tongue in cheek' humour - which they totally weren't..but that's his perception of superhero movies. Another scoffed about Jean Grey rising from the grave. They can't perceive these movies as serious -- and thus X-Men is always going to NOT live up to expectations when viewed that way. Critics see it as trying to be something it isn't.... They don't see it as a comicbook adaptation.

Cant you just admit theres a lot of ppl who genuinely just dont like X3 as much as the first two? Some of you are really in denial that this one is turning out to be a disappointment. Not a disaster by any means, not what it could have been.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Sure I'll see it. Just not in theaters.

That's very narrow minded!! Would you like it if someone said that about Batman Begins?

 

[WorthyStevens]

That's very narrow minded!! Would you like it if someone said that about Batman Begins?

If Batman doesn't want to see the movie, then it's his choice. I very much understand his choice.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

If Batman doesn't want to see the movie, then it's his choice. I very much understand his choice.

Well, it is his choice not to see the movie, but he shouldn't be bashing it without seeing it you know.

 

[Knightsaber Priss]

Well, Leonard Maltin of ET was sitting a few rows in front of me, so I'm interested in hearing what he says.

Nothing about the film was particularly subtle, which is fine for a flash-bang action movie. Different directors, different styles.

And yes, FX technology has gone leaps and bounds since the first X-Men, but it doesn't mean it was used well in this movie. I thought the FX were adequate; the people I viewed it with (all Hollywood movie types) said they were sub-par.

Nothing I've seen so far screams sub par to me. I just think Hollywood types were saying it because they despise allegedly "childish" comic book movies. And you know what they can do with their overinflated egos.

 

[FieryBalrog]

With a name like 'crappymovie', your opinion is not going to seem very objective or intelligent...

However, aren't you glad Storm has been reinvented? She was so insubstantial in X1 and so ill-defined in X2 that it's about time we got some true Storm!

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the real reason you are defending this movie.

 

[FieryBalrog]

I don't know a lot about Storm's history, so I take that back. I just imagined her as a reserved, regal type, who still had a strong presence. In this movie, Storm was just a whiny sistah who was a little....overdramatic. there was actually laughter when she delivered some of her lines (The "Nothins wrong wit us..." line got a few chuckles, and even a WTF from a fan in the first row) She also seemed to be slightly schizophrenic, because her moods changed every few seconds...it was poor acting.

no, youre right. She spends all of 0 conscious years in NY as a kid and grows up in Africa as a reserved, regal, commanding type. Not Roro-from-the-block.

 

[X-Maniac]

Cant you just admit theres a lot of ppl who genuinely just dont like X3 as much as the first two? Some of you are really in denial that this one is turning out to be a disappointment. Not a disaster by any means, not what it could have been.

I did admit it. Re-read the post of mine that you quoted. It's right there, right in front of you. Or are you blinded by prejudice i wonder?

I only ever see you being critical and negative. You suddenly appeared on here and started whining. Who are you? What is your interest in superheroes and X-Men? Do you actually like any of them? Do you read the comics? Have you seen the movie yet? What's your standpoint?

 

[Octoberist]

Actually, Tony's a pretty level headed guy. I try to be too.

I understand X-Manaic. I just think that X3 will be a heavily divded movie, moreso than any of the previous X movies. They ARE the extemists, and they are the types are who just disspointed in the direction of this movie. For me, I'm not so anxious to see the movie anymore, but I'm still giving it a shot. I just don't care as much as I did before.

 

[X-Maniac]

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the real reason you are defending this movie.

I wouldn't say 'defending'...but I'm giving it a chance, and shall be seeing it tomorrow (for the first time). Then going again over the weekend. Then I shall form an opinion. I'm determined not to fall into the cesspool of hating on here. Even when i don't like something, I'm not letting it become a bitter obsession.

Storm's improved treatment is certainly something I'm looking forward to. I shall see how that plays out in the movie. The Storm portrayal certainly can't be any worse than X1 and X2.

But I also want to see Beast, Magneto, Phoenix, watch the battles, play 'spot the cameo' and see if the movie can convince me to like Quill, Juggernaut and Callisto's superspeed. I also want to see how 'natural' the Cyclops death seems in the context of the movie, without taking into account the comicbook Phoenix saga or the anger from Cyclops fans on here. Wolverine is someone i feel neutral about, so he isn't part of my personal must-see list. Not keen on Psylocke's demise, if indeed that's what happens... So it isn't just Storm, Mr Fiery...

Have you seen the film yet?

 

[Octoberist]

I see what you're saying X-Manaic. There's a lot of tension with this movie, but for valid reasons. But you're right: People shouldn't judge it before they see it. However, my instincts are telling me to prepare for a disspointment

 

[pt_photo_inc]

Okay, I haven't seen it yet.. but I don't understand the comments in reviews about 'no heart.'...

We know we see:
1) Jean's emotional conflict with herself, Scott, Wolverine and Xavier, begging to be helped/killed
2) Scott emotions - love, grief, anger, shock
3) Wolverine's emotions - love, lust, anger, shock, having to do something terrible but necessary
4) Rogue's dilemma over the cure, over the Bobby/Kitty flirtation
5) Storm's voice over the cure, that they aren't a disease, that she is driven to fight...
6) Magneto's anger, driven to extreme measures
7) Xavier's anguish against Jean

How does this add to up to 'no heart'?

Characters like Storm, Jean and Magneto are more driven than they have ever been in X1 and X2; Xavier and Jean face their responsibilities more than ever before...

This just doesn't sound like 'no heart'...

Are people mistaking Singer's slower pace and one-on-one small action sequences for 'heart'? Are reviewers so dazzled by the action that they don't see the driving forces behind it?

I will know for myself in a day or so.

you can have a movie that has the POTENTIAL TO HAVE EMOTIONAL CONFLICT and HEART... and have non-of it show in the film!


for example:

MOULIN ROUGE- nicole kidman dies, and it is very meaningful, LOTS OF HEART!

PUNISHER- Whole family killed.... but looks as though he just.... well... i am not sure... Like it didnt just happen. Just fake, phoney... not real.

that is what they mean. there is no heart in a movie that is 1hour and a half long... it is merely hoping to pull heart from singers movies.

 

[X-Maniac]

Okay, I get that.. Have you seen it yet? Did you agree it had no heart?