What do you think Happens after we Die?

Eh. This thread will probably get merged with the regular religion thread before a raging fight can start. And once that merge happens, they'll be raging fights left and right. And then I'll once again unsubscribe.
 
Your energy releases itself back into the universe. :cool:
 
God is asking me to love him unconditionally based entirely on his reputation. For not taking the word of some guy who heard from some other guy, I'm gonna get sent to a pit of fire for all eternity. That hardly seems fair. And if I die and meet the big guy, is he gonna forgive me then? Is he gonna say "It's okay. There were a lot of different people saying different things about me, plus you hadn't even met me, but if you'd like to get to know me now, you're free to enter Heaven"?

This. It is exactly why, while I believe in God, I don't believe in religion.

Religion talks about God's "unconditional love" - the same "love" that damns you to an eternity in Hell because you didn't believe that Jesus was the magical, holy Son of God.

No, I believe Jesus was a man - a very good man, who taught us a very good way to live one's life. His miracles? His resurrection? Nah, don't believe in that so much.

If God's love was "unconditional", he wouldn't care whether I believed Jesus was Holy or not. He'd care about how I lived my life - if I was a good person, or if I wasn't.

I want to be judged by -WHO- I am, by the deeds I do in this world, and the truth in my heart behind those deeds. Not whether or not I believed some dude was Holy.

A friend of mine - who is religious - once told me he wasn't a "science project", because I suggested that science and evlotuion could be evidence of God, and his creation. He stated that he was no "science project".

Well at the same time, I am no "pawn", which is exactly what religion says I am to be - a pawn for the church, in God's "name". Sorry, I am not a pawn. I am a living, breathing, human being with my own thoughts, values, emotions, and ideas. If that is something that God can't handle, then I say that is not a God that I want to worship.

I choose to worship a God who truly is loving, and caring, and judges you not on what you believed, but how you lived your life.
 
I believe that our consciousness is done, and in other words, nothing happens. It is nothing but....nothing. I feel like it's hard for people to comprehend, hence, religion. I mean, if you think of it in the simplest of senses, its easy to understand. The only reason why we can perceive anything, and gain knowledge or perception, lies solely on your brain. When you die, your brain decomposes, and your thoughts, actions, senses, morals, EVERYTHING, are gone. How do you know where to go(heaven or hell), if your brain(memory) is gone?
 
They are going to be so full at one point, I can already see God.
"Okay Satan, we need to stop the deaths and such, where are we going to put them all?"
"Uh... one of those clown cars, you can fit so many in them... I love those...
Well, you know what they say; "when there's no more room in hell, the dead will walk the earth".
 
When we die, we simply start over at the beginning of the level again.
 
On the reeeals:

I remember talkin with a buddy of mine. I was really looking into DMT at the time and how trippy and intense it was, jabberin on and on about how I wanted to try it. DMT is basically a chemical that your brain naturally produces and it makes you trip out, a little bit is released when you sleep resulting in dreams.

Now when you take DMT through recreational means you have an intense trip that lasts a few minutes. The more intense it is the less you remember, kind of like a dream. Your brain shields you from the experience or somethin, it's crazy. I didn't know this at the time but my friend filled me in, then we got to talking about the process of death.

When you know you're going to die, apparently the brain floods itself with DMT and other nonsense to ease the process. The interesting part of all this: Even though a DMT trip is short-lived, to the person it could feel like an eternity. The power of it would allow you to do whatever you please, revisit memories and everything. Imagine if your whole life came down to living in the last moment for forever. CrAzY. :up:
 
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Too much data says SOMETHING happens to you after death. Religion aside - SOMETHING has generated and maintains the concept of spirit/soul in EVERY culture and almost every society besides wistful thinking.

Personally I feel too many hope there is nothing after - to justify their poor behavior in this life.

V.
 
Nothing happens or ........

you wake up in a parallel universe exactly like the movie Highlander were you must chop other peoples heads off gaining all their knowledge until only you remain.


Those are the only TWO options :awesome:
 
And I agree with you Nell.. For the world to be a better place.. For people to get along. We have to start thinking about genuine honest deeds.. And not what religion you fall under. For as long as their is division amongst one another.. We can never multiply to something greater. Sorry for not quoting you man... On the phone doing this so you know how that goes.
 
This. It is exactly why, while I believe in God, I don't believe in religion.

Religion talks about God's "unconditional love" - the same "love" that damns you to an eternity in Hell because you didn't believe that Jesus was the magical, holy Son of God.

No, I believe Jesus was a man - a very good man, who taught us a very good way to live one's life. His miracles? His resurrection? Nah, don't believe in that so much.

If God's love was "unconditional", he wouldn't care whether I believed Jesus was Holy or not. He'd care about how I lived my life - if I was a good person, or if I wasn't.

I want to be judged by -WHO- I am, by the deeds I do in this world, and the truth in my heart behind those deeds. Not whether or not I believed some dude was Holy.

A friend of mine - who is religious - once told me he wasn't a "science project", because I suggested that science and evlotuion could be evidence of God, and his creation. He stated that he was no "science project".

Well at the same time, I am no "pawn", which is exactly what religion says I am to be - a pawn for the church, in God's "name". Sorry, I am not a pawn. I am a living, breathing, human being with my own thoughts, values, emotions, and ideas. If that is something that God can't handle, then I say that is not a God that I want to worship.

I choose to worship a God who truly is loving, and caring, and judges you not on what you believed, but how you lived your life.

But you're still falling into the same trap you say you're against. If God's a loving God (and I believe he is) then he wouldn't judge you based on how good or bad you were. At what line does God say... eh... you weren't good enough, sorry... sucks to be you... to the flames. You're still painting God as someone who is crappy and non-loving.


I do believe in Heaven (well, not Heaven, as I don't really think the Bible describes eternity how we perceive Heaven) but I think most people got the idea of why we go there or Hell wrong. I'm not going to claim to be a scholar or anything, but this notion so many people have of God just flicking people into Hell because they didn't love him enough isn't at all how God is portrayed in the Bible, or how I've seen him work in my own life and the lives of others.

But it really doesn't matter how one tries to explain God, because most people who have already decided he's evil or undeserving of Love doesn't want to believe anything else. They're just biased or biggotted.



As for what I believe happens after we die... I'm at a crossroads. I used to believe whatever my pastor would tell me, but I've lost that mentality when I found there were things my church believed in that I wasn't so sure based on biblical reading (not on the basis of 'oh that's so unfair', which seems kind of immature and petty to me). I've been studying the bible lately and I'm still piecing together what I believe it is saying about the endtimes.

I do believe that we will stand before God. I don't know if we will all 'awaken' to that day of judgement at once, or if there's a 'hanging out' period where we can still accept God, or whatever... but in the long run, I believe that the earth will be remade and we will live here for all eternity as the Bible says will happen. Others who choose not to live on the new earth, and I feel it'll be a smaller amount, will be cast into a lake of fire... though I don't know if that ends their existance or if is an eternity of torment. I don't know what details await those destinations, but I do believe that those are the two destinations after death.
 
I've had to many paranormal experiences to not believe in some life after death. That is why ghosts don't scare me, it means there is an afterlife after all.
 
1) 6 feet under in a coffin where our body slowly rots

or

2) A furnace for cremation and then the ashes are either,
a) stored in an urn on the mantle of a loved one, or
b) scattered over a favorite place


but first you get an autopsy if you didn't die of natural causes and then your body gets embalmed.
 
But you're still falling into the same trap you say you're against. If God's a loving God (and I believe he is) then he wouldn't judge you based on how good or bad you were. At what line does God say... eh... you weren't good enough, sorry... sucks to be you... to the flames. You're still painting God as someone who is crappy and non-loving.


I do believe in Heaven (well, not Heaven, as I don't really think the Bible describes eternity how we perceive Heaven) but I think most people got the idea of why we go there or Hell wrong. I'm not going to claim to be a scholar or anything, but this notion so many people have of God just flicking people into Hell because they didn't love him enough isn't at all how God is portrayed in the Bible, or how I've seen him work in my own life and the lives of others.

But it really doesn't matter how one tries to explain God, because most people who have already decided he's evil or undeserving of Love doesn't want to believe anything else. They're just biased or biggotted.



As for what I believe happens after we die... I'm at a crossroads. I used to believe whatever my pastor would tell me, but I've lost that mentality when I found there were things my church believed in that I wasn't so sure based on biblical reading (not on the basis of 'oh that's so unfair', which seems kind of immature and petty to me). I've been studying the bible lately and I'm still piecing together what I believe it is saying about the endtimes.

I do believe that we will stand before God. I don't know if we will all 'awaken' to that day of judgement at once, or if there's a 'hanging out' period where we can still accept God, or whatever... but in the long run, I believe that the earth will be remade and we will live here for all eternity as the Bible says will happen. Others who choose not to live on the new earth, and I feel it'll be a smaller amount, will be cast into a lake of fire... though I don't know if that ends their existance or if is an eternity of torment. I don't know what details await those destinations, but I do believe that those are the two destinations after death.
Gah! This thread is sooo gonna get merged with the religious debate thread. Or just plain closed.
 
Most religions believe that we have a soul that continues to exist after we die, and we are judged by our actions on earth and then spend eternity either in a good place or a bad place. Science tells us we die, our bodies decompose and that's it. The truth is probably somewhere in between.

Is there some part of us that continues to exist after we die? A "soul" so to speak? It's possible, the human body holds many mysteries we don't understand yet. But would this "soul" contain anything unique about us that allows it to continue to be conscious, remember who it was when it was part of a living human and allow it to be judged based on the actions of that human? I kind of doubt it, I guess we'll find out when we die.
 
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I don't think so, especially when you start to understand what it means to truly be holy.

But, honestly, how can you say that God is unforgiving when he gives his Son, who has existed with him in a perfect loving relationship for all eternity, up to die for your transgression? That is more like infinitely forgiving. And all he asks in return is that you love the Son and believe in him and you get eternal life with endless joy. That sounds more like infinite mercy than unforgiveness.


and how long does that "coming out" meeting last... is it like a IRS tax audit.... can I get a lawyer, or someone to represent my side of the case?

With everyone getting a fair shake at meeting god, and talking about ones life... I could imagine the length of that line...

St Peters "take a number"
BZ "I'm number 100,999,999,999,999,999"

looks at sign "now serving number 678"
 
This. It is exactly why, while I believe in God, I don't believe in religion.

Religion talks about God's "unconditional love" - the same "love" that damns you to an eternity in Hell because you didn't believe that Jesus was the magical, holy Son of God.

No, I believe Jesus was a man - a very good man, who taught us a very good way to live one's life. His miracles? His resurrection? Nah, don't believe in that so much.

If God's love was "unconditional", he wouldn't care whether I believed Jesus was Holy or not. He'd care about how I lived my life - if I was a good person, or if I wasn't.

I want to be judged by -WHO- I am, by the deeds I do in this world, and the truth in my heart behind those deeds. Not whether or not I believed some dude was Holy.

A friend of mine - who is religious - once told me he wasn't a "science project", because I suggested that science and evlotuion could be evidence of God, and his creation. He stated that he was no "science project".

Well at the same time, I am no "pawn", which is exactly what religion says I am to be - a pawn for the church, in God's "name". Sorry, I am not a pawn. I am a living, breathing, human being with my own thoughts, values, emotions, and ideas. If that is something that God can't handle, then I say that is not a God that I want to worship.

I choose to worship a God who truly is loving, and caring, and judges you not on what you believed, but how you lived your life.

here;s where I get foggy on the whole thing...

everything we know of, has a beginning and an end.... so, in essence, if we take that, and apply it to the universe, it had to have a beginning, and therefore must have an end... so, what created the universe?
 
here;s where I get foggy on the whole thing...

everything we know of, has a beginning and an end.... so, in essence, if we take that, and apply it to the universe, it had to have a beginning, and therefore must have an end... so, what created the universe?
Ah, but the law of conservation of energy states that energy can neither be created nor destroy, but only changed.

What if there are no true beginnings or endings? After all, the ending of one thing is merely the beginning of another. The end of your childhood is the start of your adulthood. The end of your body's life is the beginning of its decomposing stage, in which your body breaks down and its many components rejoin the Earth and the atmosphere. But the matter that was once your body doesn't come to an end. Atoms and molecules recompose themselves into new things. As you end, new things begin.

With that in mind, perhaps the beginning of our universe was we know it was also the ending of whatever came before it.

Even conceding your argument that all things begin and end, how did the thing which created the universe itself begin? And when does that engine of creation end? Did it end when the universe began? And what created the thing which created the universe, and when did that begin? It's a neverending cycle.
 
This. It is exactly why, while I believe in God, I don't believe in religion.

Religion talks about God's "unconditional love" - the same "love" that damns you to an eternity in Hell because you didn't believe that Jesus was the magical, holy Son of God.

No, I believe Jesus was a man - a very good man, who taught us a very good way to live one's life. His miracles? His resurrection? Nah, don't believe in that so much.

If God's love was "unconditional", he wouldn't care whether I believed Jesus was Holy or not. He'd care about how I lived my life - if I was a good person, or if I wasn't.

I want to be judged by -WHO- I am, by the deeds I do in this world, and the truth in my heart behind those deeds. Not whether or not I believed some dude was Holy.

A friend of mine - who is religious - once told me he wasn't a "science project", because I suggested that science and evlotuion could be evidence of God, and his creation. He stated that he was no "science project".

Well at the same time, I am no "pawn", which is exactly what religion says I am to be - a pawn for the church, in God's "name". Sorry, I am not a pawn. I am a living, breathing, human being with my own thoughts, values, emotions, and ideas. If that is something that God can't handle, then I say that is not a God that I want to worship.

I choose to worship a God who truly is loving, and caring, and judges you not on what you believed, but how you lived your life.

Well, we have to realize that we exist because he does... so really nothing is truely ours. The Bible says that entire universe is sustained by the word of his power. Basically, God causes the universe to continue to "be." We didn't cause ourselves to come into being. We are not auto-created or autonomous beings. Our ability to think, our ability to understand that things have value, our emotional capacities and our ability to have ideas are all reflections of who God is. We were created in his His image. We were create with a purpose and that purpose is to worship him. Why do we love to praise things that are valuable like movies, our children, expensive cars or clothes, books, people etc.? Or why are so attracted to big things. Why do we like to see epic movies with breathtaking vistas and big battle scenes? Why do go to the grand canyon? There is something in all of us that wants to feel small and to worship something valuable. This is how God made us.

I think the hardest thing for people who don't believe in Christ is to understand and accept what is called "spiritual deadness." Jesus said to the Jewish teachers of the Bible in his day, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” Basically, what he is saying is that we all need to come out of deadness to God and be "born" again. This goes back to the beginning. We have sort of inherited our first parents' (Adam and Eve) rebellion. Sort of the way that you inherit your parents blue eyes or your father's bad temper. This is hard to accept in our culture because we are taught that everyone deserves a chance and that we are all equal...etc. However, this isn't Biblical and if you look around at the world it isn't realistic either.

So we have inherited a sinful "nature" that needs to be cured. In reality, God could and probably should have just scratched this who universe once Adam and Eve rebelled against him. He didn't. Instead he promised them that someday he was going to make everything right by sending a savior.

Moses and all the prophets for the next 1500 years after him were given more and more information about who this messiah would be and what exactly he was going to do. Along comes Jesus, who has existed eternally, who loved God perfectly which translated to him living flawlessly. He goes to the Cross and stands in our place. He is risen from the dead as the first of the coming Resurrection.

I think the biggest "proof" for Christianity is the historicity of it. Take, for example, the 12 Apostles (11 if you discount Judas), after following Jesus for three years and witnesses countless miracles and teachings totally abandon him the moment his is arrested. These are the same Apostles who claimed that they would go with him to the death if they needed to. Yet, they totally abandon him like a bunch of cowards the moment a sign of trouble show its face. Yet somehow, these cowards went on, after his resurrection and ascension into heaven, to all be martyred preaching the Gospel of Jesus around the world. This is all recorded extra-biblically. Every single one of them died this way (except for John). So how did a bunch of cowards suddenly become so bold and courageous? Simple, they saw Jesus come back from the dead, doing exactly what he said he was going to do all along.


Anyway, that is basically the Gospel. I could go on. I don't mind the mocking. But, I hope we can all be civilized here.
 

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