The Dark Knight What Do You Think the Nolans Will Improve.

[Crooklyn]

So I'm not very concerned for THE DARK KNIGHT nor am I wishing for any substanial improvements.

 

[grimlock]

No doubt the action scenes.

 

[JackBauer24]

People should really stop moaning about the dialogue and the editing. Sure, the dialogue could have been better in places, but it was pretty darn good for most of the movie. Batman Begins is one of the most quotable movies I've seen in a long while - and the dialogue in it is a hell of a lot better than that in 'The Prestige' so don't imagine Jonathan Nolan as some great saviour of screenwriting. He's primarily a novelist - a completely different skill to screenwriting - in fact 'The Prestige' was his first ever screenplay. Goyer has been writing scripts for years. Besides, stuff like story structure and pacing are more important than dialogue.

As for the editing - don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some of the fights were a little choppy yes. I actually liked it for the first few fights, but by the time Batman was fighting Ra's I think we deserved something a little clearer. But the general editing for the film was top notch. Sometimes I think people just don't understand what editing is judging by the praise and condemnation different movies receive. 'Return of the King' - now THERE was a film with sh**e editing (and that won an oscar!).

 

[Green_Lantern43]

Improvements, well I absolutely loved Batman Begins on all levels. That is my favorite comic book movie ever. I actually liked the fight scenes how they were right up close it kind of made me feel like I was in the fight. Something that many comic book films haven't done. I think maybe The Joker as the main villian (obviously) but have a small side story with Harvey Dent slowly changing. Possibly a new love intrest (I wasnt really a fan of Rachael Dawes). Some new characters maybe Bullock (im not a great speller so if that is spelt wrong just tell me) on Batmans trail constantly. So not only his he dealing with The Joker and Dent and a new love intrest, the weight of the city, but also a loud mouth cop who just wont quit. But other than that I can't really think of anything...

 

[Miranda Fox]

As far as emotionality goes, I could immensely relate and empathize with Bruce Wayne in BEGINS. I felt it was something largely due to Bale's introvertedly complex performance. The courtroom scene(s) of BEGINS were absolutely exceptional ... the intensity and heartbreak on Bale's face during those scenes were very well performed in my opinion.

Have you noticed how his breathing increases when Chill stands up? It's subtle but brilliant. Because that is how someone would react when a person they utterly loathed with every fibre of their being was standing close to them.

*ahem* Yes, in other words, I agree. What I want is to see more of that.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I think this is somewhat related to this post.

From gillberg2k1 on the BOF forums:
http://p088.ezboard.com/fbatmanonfi...geRange?topicID=1520.topic&start=141&stop=160

Im with my partner in crime, Lugosi.

Im expecting to see a Joker that pretty much shakes the foundation that Nolan's laid out.

They're going to be trying something very different than what everyone's used to, as they intentionally played it safe with Begins and only touched on some ideas they really want to present. Begins tested the waters and the response was positive.

As Jonathan has said, the name says it all. This isn't a typical Batman film, and it'll be darker than I think a lot of you expect. WB and the production team both realize they sort of have a niche audience that this new Batman caters to, so with this next one, they'll be appealing to that audience more than ever.

It's an exciting time to be a fan, that's for sure.

I think a lot of this counts as an improvement.

Gill, if you have any objections to my reposting this, I'll happily edit it.

 

[Cinemaman]

OMG not another uselesss thead again. People one reminder when deciding to make a thread just dont.

Oh RLY? Maybe you should check out Spider-man 3 threads, which are full of spams

 

[Cinemaman]

Emotional Depth:
That's true, there should be more psychological scenes with Bruce, which would effect on his emotions. I'm also waiting for some coflict between him and someone, who is close to him (Alfred? Gordon? Dent?).

Dialogues:
I saw The Prestige this week and I have no worries now. Jonathan Nolan is a great screenwriter

The Editing:
I didn't have problems with the cinematography of fight scenes, but this time they should be done right to show audience more than it was in BB.

The Gotham:
BB showed very intersting backgrounds of city during the daytime and night. But in BB it looked very limited. I would like to see more parts of the city in next movie.

The Suit:
Honestly, I don't want to see something like what had Spidey or Superman, so no tights. But I wnat it to be more comfortable for Bale to fight and move. Also there should be some detail changes in the design. Still, colors are perfect.

 

[Dark Knight]

even more emotional depth.....more of an epic feel.....more intense fight sequences that will be clearer to see. The 3rd act should NOT have a rushed feel to it also. They will add to the great Cinemetography from Begins.

 

[thegameq]

I think this is somewhat related to this post.

From gillberg2k1 on the BOF forums:
http://p088.ezboard.com/fbatmanonfi...geRange?topicID=1520.topic&start=141&stop=160

I think a lot of this counts as an improvement.

Gill, if you have any objections to my reposting this, I'll happily edit it.

They're actually pleased with appealing to a niche audience and are going to continue along that route? Wow. I may not agree with Nolan's interpretation, but he gets points for being bold enough to do this. I'm even more surprised WB is letting him do this.

I wonder if we'll finally get the Batman detective crime drama fans have been waiting for?

 

[Miranda Fox]

They're actually pleased with appealing to a niche audience and are going to continue along that route? Wow. I may not agree with Nolan's interpretation, but he gets points for being bold enough to do this. I'm even more surprised WB is letting him do this.

I wonder if we'll finally get the Batman detective crime drama fans have been waiting for?

I believe Jonathan strongly hinted at that when asked.

 

[Nepenthes]

Niche audience my arse.

 

[El Payaso]

People should really stop moaning about the dialogue and the editing.

Man, and this is just my view. BB's Dialogue and editing simply ruined what could have been a most excellent Batman movie for me. Those are the reasons why I can't think of BB as top of anything.

 

[Cinemaman]

^^^

I guess you are very critical about BB. Dialogues weren't so bad and the editing was good, so for me BB is easily the best superhero/comic book movie ever.

 

[Warhammer]

What do you personally expect to see improved in the Dark Knight? I've been thinking about this a lot, seeing as how Chris Nolan has often said the only reason to do a sequel is to improve on the original and I think we can all agree that Begins does have flaws.

My own guesses:

Emotional Depth. I read a largely negative review at Filmjerk that actually made a good point about this (so much for Nolan fans supposedly never listening to the other side, amirite?) but given the constraints of Begins, it's understandable that there wasn't the time to delve into Bruce/Batman's psyche, for instance, as much as we would've liked. TDK is a different matter, especially with Joker involved. We need to see how the challanges effect him, how close to the edge Joker drives him and so on. Bruce Wayne is such a goldmine here.

Dialogue: An obvious one and I doubt this needs explaining. Give the Exposition Fairy the movie off, k?

That's mine. Let's hear yours.

Those and fight scenes need to be better.
Everything else is perfect.

 

[Mee]

When I think of complaints about editing, it's not the fight scenes, it's stuff like the cop being on the roof telling Bats to get out of his car, then the same cop is on the street going "at least tell me what it looks like?!"

How'd they miss that?

The dialogue wasn't all bad, just cut back on the one-liners.

 

[Crooklyn]

When I think of complaints about editing, it's not the fight scenes, it's stuff like the cop being on the roof telling Bats to get out of his car, then the same cop is on the street going "at least tell me what it looks like?!"

How'd they miss that?

They were obviously identical twins that went into the same profession.

 

[Mee]

That's what I tell myself.

 

[StorminNorman]

Clones. The first cop has no soul

 

[sasquatchs]

I read a largely negative review at Filmjerk that actually made a good point about this

Some pretty good points there, Begins has a pretty standard superhero mold that I hope they can move away from. Nolan often gets criticised for making his films clever but cold, although I'd say Batman fits that style pretty well. Just want something a little less conventional this time, some real long-term dilemma rather than a neat 10 minute tie-up loose-ends climax

 

[NeoQuaker]

Christ, I feel bad for Nolan. He set the bar so high and now expectations are immense for TDK. I don't think it's possible for him to make TDK so good that it won't be viewed as a dissappointment. The Matrix franchise all over again. (Please god no.)

 

[Keyser Sushi]

Christ, I feel bad for Nolan. He set the bar so high and now expectations are immense for TDK. I don't think it's possible for him to make TDK so good that it won't be viewed as a dissappointment. The Matrix franchise all over again. (Please god no.)

The flaw in your logic is that it assumes that the Matrix sequels didn't *actually* suck.

Which is only true considering that the Matrix sequels *actually* blew.

 

[Miranda Fox]

The flaw in your logic is that it assumes that the Matrix sequels didn't *actually* suck.

Which is only true considering that the Matrix sequels *actually* blew.

I'd have to agree with that. Loved the original Matrix and I can give props to the filmmakers for having the balls to end it the way they did in Revolutions but yeah, they really weren't great.